we all know that the Hags trade was a salary dump, no one is disputing that, but a competent good GM would pull off a salary cap dump trade like for example Scott Gomez for Mcdonough, that is a successful salary dump trade, what Gorton did with the Hags situation was get rid of a top 6 forward and get zero back and I mean zero, without Hags on the Pens in 16 they do not win the cup, Hags put the Pens over the edge. Gorton goofed so badly with that trade that I hated from that day forward, and to make it worse if Gorton would of talked with Hags before the trade and asked him to sign a team friendly contract Hags would of done that in a heartbeat.
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PuckLuck3043
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GMJG gets a C+ from me so far in his tenure. Some good, some bad. A lot of what is wrong with this team has been brought on by Sather's bad signings and trading away 1st round picks for years. Now the organization is just paying that long overdue bill with interest. I like the Stepan trade as it looks towards the future and was fully expecting to take a step back this year. One step back for 2 steps forward. The importance of his decisions over the next next few months can't be overstated and I believe will define his legacy here. It's a strong draft and I do believe we can be a cup contender in 2-3 years if things are done properly. We will see.
This is such a false statement! Stepan has 35 points on the worst team in the NHL. He is right in line to get 50 points. He match up every night with the best lines from the opposing team. He was a BIG part of the success of this team over the last 6 years and it sure looks like they could use him in this year. If your going to comment Gordo, at least know what your talking about!
Re the bold: This sounds like a you problem.
Re the underlined: this sounds like a child’s fantasy.
Larrybiv
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So, let me see if I get this straight. Lose, don't make PO's and HOPE we get very lucky in the draft lottery? We are the Rangers, we don't get lucky like that.
Or......, Slowly integrate youth, ridding the obvious players and still strive to the PO's with the newly infused blood which will help in their development with that PO experience. (Even if it is only 5 or 6 games at worst).
I go with the latter, hope for Hank to stand on his head and move towards a miracle. Better shot than winning that lottery.
Or......, Slowly integrate youth, ridding the obvious players and still strive to the PO's with the newly infused blood which will help in their development with that PO experience. (Even if it is only 5 or 6 games at worst).
I go with the latter, hope for Hank to stand on his head and move towards a miracle. Better shot than winning that lottery.
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Inferno
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I'm almost positive his points per 60 is way down....less points in a lot more minutes...
Amazing Kreiderman
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Stralman was UFA in 2014, Hagelin in 2015.
They needed someone to drive the PP after Richards was bought out. It was never between Stralman and Boyle. It was between Stralman and Girardi. Glass also signed in 2014.
Neither Glass nor Boyle had anything to do with Hagelin. In 2015, Staal had just signed a new deal and Stepan was RFA. It was Hagelin or Stepan. Only a moron would pick Hagelin over Stepan. What has Hagelin honestly done in the last 4 years?
GordonGecko
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Come one man, "He match up every night with the best lines from the opposing team". He's on the first line, therefore he lines up with the opponent's first line by definition. Unfortunately for him and Arizona (and us before that), he don't compare remotely to a legitimate 1C
Zibs isn't an elite 1C either but at least he's been a big upgrade
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The timeline
2013-14 Rangers had Stralman, Hagelin, Girardi
2014 Feb, they signed Girardi for 5.5M
2014 summer they signed both Boyle and Glass to multi year deals totaling ~6M, they did not sign Stralman who signed for 4.5M
2015 summer they still had Boyle, Glass on the books and Hagelin needed a new deal.
Even with the Girardi contract, they had the cap space to sign one of either Stralman or Hagelin if they did not use that space on multi year deals to Boyle and Glass in 2014 summer.
Who of that group is still playing in the NHL? They made bad choices.
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Do you even understand how that trade worked? You’re saying we should’ve made a trade similar to a cap dump deal like Gomez when Hags wasn’t even a cap dump. They traded his RFA negotiating rights and a 2nd for Etem and the 41st pick. They moved up 18 spots in the 2nd round for RFA rights.
The fact that you’re blaming Gorton in hindsight that Anaheim traded Hags to Pitt is just so mindnumbingly stupid that it’s funny. Hagelin sucked in Anaheim, which is why he was traded. If you want to be mad about their draft approach in 15, then complain about that. The Hagelin and Talbot trades were both fine. Multiple mid round picks for RFA rights and a goalie with 50 games of experience and one year left of control.
But yeah, fire Gorton!
your saying the Hags trade was not a cap dump? are you insane? then what was it? and more importantly after all the smoke clears, what one earth do we have for losing Hags? NOTHING, that is my point, we have NOTHING to show for losing HAGS
Mac n Gs
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It clearly wasn’t since there was no salary to rid of at the time of the trade. They didn’t want to sign him to a long-term contract, so they traded his negotiating rights. They moved up 18 spots in the 2nd round as a result and had a chance to draft some very good players. They spent the pick on Ryan Gropp. You’re mad about the Gropp pick, which many of us are. I’m not mad at the trade itself.
please take a look at all the highlight reel goals from the 14 and 15 playoff runs...Hags was involved in all the big important goals..he either scored them, assisted on them or created havoc in front on all those big goals, especially the marty st. Louis ot goal vs the Habs in game 4, I know his better days are now over but we should of gotten huge picks and assets for him not plumbers, we have nothing to show for losing him and that is all Gorton's fault period.
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We needed someone to be our PP QB after Richards left. Girardi wasn't doing that, Stralman wasn't doing that either. He had 38 points in 3 seasons with us. Put things into perspective. Hagelin was and still is a 3rd line winger. You can't judge yesterday's trades by today's logic.
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All cap dumps where the cap structure has inefficiencies elsewhere, besides where a player becomes injured, are of the making of the team who is dumping them. Whether they signed the contracts themselves or traded for them, teams make their own cap structures.
If they want to keep more of their good players as their cap hits rise and they need new deals, they need to be efficient, if that excludes signing a Dan Boyle to a plus 35 year old multi year deal contract to be the PP specialist, that means he does not get signed. Same for a player like Glass.
If they want to keep more of their good players as their cap hits rise and they need new deals, they need to be efficient, if that excludes signing a Dan Boyle to a plus 35 year old multi year deal contract to be the PP specialist, that means he does not get signed. Same for a player like Glass.
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TheTakedown
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That's a typical case of trading a player a year late vs a year early...
But the rangers were a contending team. No reason to trade em. They were self-rentals
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Hagelin was his worst trade, if indeed it was Gorton? I always thought Sather was heavily involved in that one.
Smith was his worst signing.
Other then those two moves as GM, he's been good.
Smith was his worst signing.
Other then those two moves as GM, he's been good.
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FOr some reason, i remember reading an article that from thru end of the 2016 season, Sather still was running the team even though Gorton was named GM in the beginning of that 2015-16 season.
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Boo Nieves has the same amount of points as Lindberg in 22 less games. Holy f*** does OL get overrated on here because of that one streak of high shooting%
So what..OL is a much better player IMO and they lost him for nothing.
Nobody said he was a #1C.
Lion Hound
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Me too...Cant remember where it was. Probably something that was posted here. Anyway, was lead to believe that was Sathers move. Still annoyed at that one.
He was on the first line here as a Ranger. He scored 50-60 points every year here and he was always a plus player. Those guys don’t grow on trees. Mika has 16 5 on 5 points in 43 games and you are calling that a upgrade? I want a little of that juice you’re drinking.
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