Player Discussion Jeff Gorton
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really ? that list is laughable, is that the best you can do?
the Michel beregon pick was someone named petri altononen who never played an nhl game
ryan clowe is no where the player Hags is
the Lindros trade was a good one, we got Lindros for pavel brendl who never amounted to anything
I will take Nick Fotiu in the 80's NHL any day of the week and then some
Wilson trade was a wash nobody won either way they both stunk
Robitaille same thing a washout
Zubov loss was a bad one but at least we got some bodies back in Robitaille and Samuelson and unlike NOTHING for the Hags trade
Moore for Hall not as one sided as the Hags deal
Korikoski for Lisin they both stink equally
Norstrom yeah that was a bad bad one but at least we had a body in Shane Churla for 2 seasons, unlike Etem we got 19 useless games out of him
miller ridley for bobby carpenter was the 3rd worst...what did miller and ridly do for the caps? nothing, and we stunk in 1987 and were going nowhere
yes he drafted poorly, is it not his job to draft wisely? that would make him incompetent which he is
Amazing Kreiderman
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They were exposed. But this expansion draft wasn't about exposing a specific number of players, but about protecting a max amount. We could either protect 8 skaters and 1 goalie, or 7 forwards, 3 defensemen and 1 goalie.
The pending FAs were exposed, but why would they pick one of these? Lindberg was not worth giving up a 1st round pick to have Vegas pick one of these players. Clearly you have no idea how the expansion draft actually worked.
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Like I said before. .losing lindberg was literally the best case (within reason) scenario.
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mrmovies779
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No..They could've traded him but it is what it is.
And wtf is it with these salty ass responses from you?
Give it a rest..
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You trade Lindberg, Vegas takes Fast or Grabner. Then you're down two forwards. And at that time there wasn't much of a market for players like Lindberg who needed to be protected. The acquiring team would have the same issues we had.
Take the L. Admit you were off on this one.
I have no problem admitting if I'm wrong.
I could do without the I told you so's and stupid comments though.
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If your standard for incompetent is making a 2nd round draft selection that didn't pan out, every GM ever is incompetent.
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that is not the worst of it...it's losing hags for nothing in the trade overall...it was a huge loss
haohmaru
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Yeah...but...there's more to it than that. They couldn't sign him, either, and be under the cap. Should've got more for him, for sure, but here are a few that I think were worse and some were FAR worse.
Bad trades? Beezer for what ended up being Lidster. Kovalev for Balej and a 2nd round pick. Dupuis for a 3rd round pick.
How about Savard and a 1st to Calgary for Jan Hlavac, Jamie Lundmark, and a pick?
Miller and Ridley (and Bob Crawford) for... Carpenter... and a 2nd round pick
Holocene
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I'm not sure why we even care about the Hagelin trade at this point. We signed Grabner who has been a fantastic replacement for Hags, at a lower cost, who will net us something nice at the trade deadline.
Inferno
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You spent like 2 pages railing on gorts for the lindberg thing..which was really...whatever...which made me salty....then you doubled down on it like twice...which was super...whatever...which made me saltier....then you ask what's with me being salty and the stupid comments and the I told you so's? You're begging for it man...you wasted so much time and energy on something you obviously didn't understand and then your response was... "Ok"... Not like..oh I didn't know that my bad...
I want my pound of flesh dammit.
;-)
no doubt we have made some blunder trades in Rangers history , but losing hags and then having him wind up on Pittsburgh which put them over the hump and winning the cup was a 2 bladed stab in the chest for us...the miller ridley carpenter trade came at time when we stunk and had no cup chances and miller/ridley never got the Caps the cup either
haohmaru
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I "rail" on JG quite a bit when it comes to this roster and the direction the team is going.
I feel it's completely justified too.
Today however, I simply said that we lost OL for nothing, I thought other players should've gone before him and also that we should've traded him instead.
Then I posed a question that I didn't quite understand about the expansion draft.
I can't see how you would possibly consider that a 2 page rant that took all this energy.
At the end of it I even admitted that I was wrong so unless you have double vision, IDK wth you're about.
And now I'm asking for it?
Bring it on keyboard warrior.
I'm right here..LOL
Larrybiv
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I'm a firm believer in "you have to have gone through what you did in the past, to be where you are today".
With that said......yes, trading Steps without a sure fire replacement in tact was ummmmm, boneheaded. But, if not for that deal and this impending "downfall" (supposedly where we are now) then what may be coming soon.....simply might never have happened (maybe it doesn't)?
In other words......if we DIDNT trade Steps, then we would have had to have signed him.......therefore NO Shatty, no moving forward with younger Centers and basically NO overall CHANGE!
WE weren't winning any Stanley Cups WITH Steps (as valuable and highly regarded as some say), but you never know what this is leading into with the younger players of L.A. and ADA moving forward, until we experience it......within the next whatever amount of years. The potential YEAR FACTOR is what really gets me thinking more positively, as opposed to keeping him and his inflated contract and continuing my feeling if "stagnation". Then again, that's just my opinion. Had he been totally left OFF the PP, maybe I would've wanted to keep him, but that's where I severed ties.....he was used where he shouldn't have been.
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Trades are never going to be a sure thing, you take a chance on taking back futures and they have a high chance of blowing up in your face. Gropp was the #6 forward in the draft according to Clark, if that came true no one would be complaining about Hags trade. We had no $ for anyone to take back except for picks.
The E Staal trade could've worked out ok. If AZ takes Stepan in 2016 like they supposedly almost did, we then have money to resign Staal to replace Stepan while also drafting a Keller or someone else there. But oh well the trade didn't go through till 2017, which was still a very good forward thinking trade. Risk on both side with ADA and #7 vs. locked into Stepan deal while his game appearing to rapidly go the Staal/Girardi route.
Those two resignings have the Rangers staff spooked, while i do think McDonagh who I don't think should be traded is a goner.
You're not going to fleece ever other GM, more often than not they'll be fair trades. Your scouts and draft team will also make GM look great, or terrible too.
He's done more good with what's he had and the little cap room he's had than bad once officially in the GM role.
The E Staal trade could've worked out ok. If AZ takes Stepan in 2016 like they supposedly almost did, we then have money to resign Staal to replace Stepan while also drafting a Keller or someone else there. But oh well the trade didn't go through till 2017, which was still a very good forward thinking trade. Risk on both side with ADA and #7 vs. locked into Stepan deal while his game appearing to rapidly go the Staal/Girardi route.
Those two resignings have the Rangers staff spooked, while i do think McDonagh who I don't think should be traded is a goner.
You're not going to fleece ever other GM, more often than not they'll be fair trades. Your scouts and draft team will also make GM look great, or terrible too.
He's done more good with what's he had and the little cap room he's had than bad once officially in the GM role.
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