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i said in the AV post i want him no where near these young guys when they come up. Lias and Filip need a coach with some spunk not this gum chewing moron who's neutered this whole organization
losing Hagelin was the beginning of the end...take a look at all the important playoff goals scored in 2014 and 2015...hags was involved in all of them....take a look at the important goals in 2016 with Pittsburgh, Hags was in on most of them, there was even Conn Smythe considerations for Hags that year...Gorton destroyed the rangers with that trade and in a backdoor fashion got Pittsburgh over the hump and 2 Stanley cups. Gorton is an idiot plain and simple.
Who are going to stay here next season?
- And Jeff Gorton might move Zucc based on the age topic and value to get a big haul back to rebuild the farm, and because of that we won`t have many pending UFA`s due to a tempting draft year, but since the league is so open this year expansion team on the 2nd place just one point behind Tampa Bay.
- Grabner will give us a 1st - another 30 + goals season, Zucc young prospect + 1st, Nash 2nd borderline 1st depends how he finish the season, JT Miller 1st - if Henrik want the cup and we can`t do it based on injuries - maybe he is tempted to remove his NMC for some prospects, Ryan Mc + 1st + top 4 young prospect defender.
- I don`t see any of our pendings UFA here next season.
- Will Holden and Smith be here, Shattenkirk?
- And in addition I don`t think Skjei`s new contract will be that expensive since he is having an off season - I awaited more offensive production from him and better defensive.
- So that leave us with with this core next season Buch, Kreider, Mika, Lias, Chytil, Skjei, Vesey, Fast, and Hayes and probably Henrik, he has nmc, I doubt they will move him or he agree to it.
- M. Staal maybe his last season too based on old injuries so maybe another buyout.
- Next year I`ve a notion even if one of Grabner or Zucc remains here for the next season 2018-19 to just have some sort of core here, because seldom 1st picks can play in their draft year unless they are elite or generational talents.
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One 3rd liner isn't what is making or breaking this Rangers team, nor did Hags bring Pittsburgh 2 Cups on his back.
Grabner has, at the very least, re-infused Hagelin's speed to this team, and to boot Grabner has brought some damn good offense and play in general. Now Gorton has to fix the coach and about 75% of the bottom 6 Fs/bottom pair D being AHLers and we'll be okay.
Savant
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Gorton should be on the hot seat. If he handles the coaching situation and the deadline improperly.
I can understand your reasoning @Savant , but his job is extremely difficult since he took over for Glen S. some seasons ago, and AV did not use Eric Staal properly when we had him so that is more on our current coach and his system.
So I will give Jeff G. my support for now at least and couple of more seasons to see where we are as a team in 2-3 years.
So I will give Jeff G. my support for now at least and couple of more seasons to see where we are as a team in 2-3 years.
Savant
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If Gorton thought AV used Staal inappropriately, then that should have been another reason for AV on the chopping block. He is too hands off. He had a chance to pick his own coach and chose not too, so they should be hitched together as far as I am concerned. His balance sheet is slightly negative in my opinion as of now. The job isn’t getting easier.
This has turned into a pretty good convo and minus the attacks so I liking it 
There are plenty of good points made on both sides on the pro vs con, JG.
Me personally..I think I've brought up more than enough to validate my displeasure with the job he's done thus far.
I DO LIKE the LA and FC picks for sure although I also think the LA pick is a bit over-rated, still love his emotion and drive.
I could add quite a bit more but I think the on-ice results (off-ice, SMITH) speak for themselves and quite honestly I could do without the empty cup board, Sather finger pointing excuses.
WRONG PLAYERS, WRONG COACH, WRONG SYSTEM..
It's not like he came into this ORG just yesterday.
He's been here since what, 2008 I think? GM since 2015.
At this point, I feel like JG is just a passenger to AV's BS and he's probably working in AV's backyard as we speak while he's away screwing up the west coast road trip game plan
There are plenty of good points made on both sides on the pro vs con, JG.
Me personally..I think I've brought up more than enough to validate my displeasure with the job he's done thus far.
I DO LIKE the LA and FC picks for sure although I also think the LA pick is a bit over-rated, still love his emotion and drive.
I could add quite a bit more but I think the on-ice results (off-ice, SMITH) speak for themselves and quite honestly I could do without the empty cup board, Sather finger pointing excuses.
WRONG PLAYERS, WRONG COACH, WRONG SYSTEM..
It's not like he came into this ORG just yesterday.
He's been here since what, 2008 I think? GM since 2015.
At this point, I feel like JG is just a passenger to AV's BS and he's probably working in AV's backyard as we speak while he's away screwing up the west coast road trip game plan
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PS..This board doubles/triples up on everything I post and it's getting really annoying..
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I may be in the minority here, but I want him fired. I understand Sather didn't exactly give him the best roster to inherit, however, he has made some really bad roster moves that have left us with an on-ice product totally incapable of defending. We can split hairs here depending on how Lias develops, but trading Stepan was undoubtedly his worst move as GM IMO. Not because Stepan was special (he wasn't), but Gorton panic-trading (calling a spade a spade here) a top-six center who was good in his own end, a great penalty killer and locker room leader (the REAL captain of this team) simply because of the NTC, didn't exactly give me the confidence he could get this roster to where it needed to be moving forward.
How Gorton doesn't influence AV's roster and lineup decisions more is a huge red flag for me too. Unsure of their working relationship, but yo-yoing Pavel Buchenvich and benching J.T. Miller thinking you're proving a point when Marc Staal, Nick Holden, Steve Kampfer, David Desharnais and the Tanner Glasses of the world who have passed through here in the last few years have never been held accountable for ALL of their on-ice mistakes, it's mind-numbingly puzzling, frustrating and tiring.
I don't trust him moving forward. I'm scared Dolan thinks they can win and stays the course. Then they let Nash and Grabner "walk," trade McDonagh and Zuccarello like they did Stepan in the offseason, which will put this organization in a deeper hole than they are now. Extremely worried.
How Gorton doesn't influence AV's roster and lineup decisions more is a huge red flag for me too. Unsure of their working relationship, but yo-yoing Pavel Buchenvich and benching J.T. Miller thinking you're proving a point when Marc Staal, Nick Holden, Steve Kampfer, David Desharnais and the Tanner Glasses of the world who have passed through here in the last few years have never been held accountable for ALL of their on-ice mistakes, it's mind-numbingly puzzling, frustrating and tiring.
I don't trust him moving forward. I'm scared Dolan thinks they can win and stays the course. Then they let Nash and Grabner "walk," trade McDonagh and Zuccarello like they did Stepan in the offseason, which will put this organization in a deeper hole than they are now. Extremely worried.
ReggieDunlop68
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Dolan doesn’t care if they win or not, as long as the bottom line is met, and bruthas, the bottom line has been making like a motherf***er.
Idk. I still think people perceive the league, management , etc. operate in a manner from a by gone era.
A McDonald’s cook probably wouldn’t win Top Chef serving that crap, but damn do they move a hell of a lot of slop.
Idk. I still think people perceive the league, management , etc. operate in a manner from a by gone era.
A McDonald’s cook probably wouldn’t win Top Chef serving that crap, but damn do they move a hell of a lot of slop.
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We weren't going anywhere with Stepan. By trading Stepan all Gorton did is accelerate the retool.
darko
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Also watching ADA last 2 games and seeing what Lias is doing .... it looks like a very good trade for us.
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1. Hagelin wasn't worth what he is signed for now
2. We didn't have the cap space anyway after Sather gave Staal his extension
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I hope that there is at least a little discussion higher up about leaving AV at a bus stop sometime soon. If not, then I question the guys ability to run the franchise.
Gorton is trying to serve two masters. Rebuild and be competitive at the same time. He needs to just trade off some of these players. They can't worry about trying to win with Lundqvist who will be 36 and has three seasons remaining on his contract. The Rangers went for it with the trades for Nash,MSL and Yandle. They didn't win. It's time to go into a different direction and Gorton has done some of that. He has tried to do more. The Rangers deficiencies have been masked by Lundqvist.
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I don't care which fan favorites the Rangers trade off because the TEAM is what counts. To borrow a line from the Bronx Tale. Mickey Mantle don't care about you so why should you care about him.
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I don't care which fan favorites the Rangers trade off because the TEAM is what counts. To borrow a line from the Bronx Tale. Mickey Mantle don't care about you so why should you care about him.
Irishguy42
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I just don't see Gorton firing AV mid-season unless it reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally goes off the rails.
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It's heading that way i reckon. I'v defended AV on here fair bit, probably more than i should but to me it looks like he's lost the locker room. They look switched off.
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While I agree, I am not sure Gorton will not once again hedge his bets. That is the problem with "rebuilding while remaining competitive"
To remain competitive they need some vets, they sign them as UFA to UFA contracts. If they are competitive at the deadline it means renting or at least self renting. Possibly not selling what they can now or this off-season because they know by doing so they will not be competitive next season.
I agree with Reggie above, the GM is forced to also provide bank, likely just for job security, so I understand the hedging idea, but it's two forces that work against each other, I'm not sure that can ever be an optimal situation.
It’s taken to this point to convince me but now I’m finally on board with this , completely.
It’s gonna be tough to balance out though because you’re going to need a few vets that have had some degree of success to teach the youngsters.
As to who they will be, I have no idea.
I’d trade almost any player on the roster and I’d start with all the new additions.
In doing so I think they have to seriously consider trading Lundqvist as well.
What would be the point in keeping him?
I haven’t been following Shestyorkin very closely so I don’t know how far along in development he is.
Will he be ready to step in next season?
Starter/backup?
If not, then they’re also going to have to consider getting a temporary starter back in a trade because Pavelech stinks.
My no trade list is very simple:
Skjei
ADA
Buch
Lettieri
Fast
Shestyorkin
With all that said, I really hope JG is up for the task in which case I have my doubts.
The rest of this season, through the trade deadline and going into the draft is going to have a HUGE impact on the reshaping of this team not only now but also in the future.
A new coaching staff and strategy is also paramount to whatever identity this team takes on.
It all rests on JG’s shoulders.
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Gorton is going to try to assemble the best team he can each year in the hopes of winning a cup. He isn't going to sell off everyone and tank for 3 years. It's certainly possible that it turns out that way, but that isn't his goal. At the same time, he is going to try to rebuild the farm system. I don't think those goals are mutually exclusive. Teams don't need to give up 1st and 2nd round picks every year to have a shot at the cup. If nothing else, holding onto our own picks and drafting well will improve the situation over time.
Right now though, we are afforded an opportunity. We aren't a bad team, but we aren't good enough to really compete either, especially with the injuries. We have a chance to be sellers. Yes, it will hurt to lose players like McD and/or Zucc, but sooner or later every player has to be replaced. If we trade them now, we will likely take a step back, but we will also be maximizing their trade value and setting ourselves up better for the future.
We'll probably continue to be a playoff bubble team for a couple years, but if we make the right moves now, we can be real contenders in the near future.
Regarding your (and Reggie's) point about the pressure to make the playoffs for monetary reasons, I think that is one of the biggest myths in all of sports. I've never seen anyone offer one shred of evidence to suggest that Dolan pressures Rangers management to make the playoffs for that revenue. When you consider the money this franchise has wasted in recent years (Redden in the AHL, Richards bought out), and the overall worth of the team (1.5 billion according to Forbes), it's hard to believe that Dolan is that concerned with playoff revenue. He certainly doesn't seem to be concerned about that revenue with the Knicks, and he has always been more involved with the Knicks than the Rangers. Besides, we've made the playoffs 11 out of the last 12 years, with long runs in 3 of those years. If Dolan really cares about playoff revenue, he got it. He isn't going to miss that money for a year or two. He's a businessman. He knows he needs to reinvest in the team if he wants to make more money in the future.
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I honestly don't know how you can possibly look at what people's fears with Step were, how he's filling all of them right now, and how Andersson is so quickly ascending the ranks and say that trade was bad at all, let alone his worst move as GM. He wasn't moved simply because of the NTC, he was moved because he was visibly fading already - getting slower while the rest of the league gets a lot faster, because the team needed to recoup lost picks, and because they needed to clear up cap space for this coming offseason.
The reason the team can't defend is more likely because our guys are being coached to cede the zone and then chase their men around aimlessly. A single player doesn't make or break an entire team's ability to defend. He'd been out for stints before, how did the team defend in those stints? Not this badly unless I'm remembering way wrong.
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If AV is coach for a single game in the 18-19 season Gorton needs to be relieved of his duties.
Honestly this team should be selling and using the post deadline games to get a new coach in and work out the kinks in that transition. That isnt going to happen but if this team was honest with themselves it would. Rebuilds suck and take time. You can go many years without getting back to being even a bubble team. I understand the desire to not do that, but this team is not 1-2 players away from being a contender.
Honestly this team should be selling and using the post deadline games to get a new coach in and work out the kinks in that transition. That isnt going to happen but if this team was honest with themselves it would. Rebuilds suck and take time. You can go many years without getting back to being even a bubble team. I understand the desire to not do that, but this team is not 1-2 players away from being a contender.
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