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Player Discussion Jeff Gorton

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mrjimmyg89 said:
What's worse: Dead cap space without them or having those players on the roster knowing they are done/can't get it done anymore?
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That is up to Gorton. A $6m dead cap hit may be regretted in the long term.
The unknown is a much more viable option at this point. Look at what the Predators did. Stacked the top 4 and went with two "unknown" players on cheap contracts. If those guys sucked, they can be easily replaced. If Staal and Girardi suck next season, you can't just get rid of them midway through.
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Not sure that the unknown can be seen as a viable option. With the farm system in the taters that it is, "easily replaced" may not be reality.
This is the only opportunity Gorton has to remove them both before next summer. If he doesn't jump on it for at least one of them right now, we'll very likely be having this same discussion a year from now.
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Except lower cap hits and much closer from a full no movement clause being mitigated.
 
I'm not a cap expert but in this case don't we have 2 players we do not want to play no matter what next season?

Lets calculate the money if they stay on the team but do not play at all.
Lets calculate how much could be saved in a trade.
Lets calculate how much in a buy out.

Whatever is the lowest number we take. Yes its not going to be pleasant but if we don't want the players playing for us then the choices become clearer.
 
Gorton has a done a fine job thus far.......but his real test is upcoming. We soon will find out how "deft" he is. He is going to have to be very imaginative. No GM is going to say.......hey Jeff, we'll take Marc off your hands and his huge contract.

If Phaneuf can be traded, so can Marc. He is serviceable to a point. He can solidify a young defense corps. We just have to get lucky and hope that Gorton can persuade a team to take him with us paying some of his salary. I think that would be better than us paying whatever buyout dollars it amounts to.
Package Stepan or Grabner with him......while grabbing a young, good upside, dman
 
Larrybiv said:
Package Stepan or Grabner with him......while grabbing a young, good upside, dman
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Maybe I am just pessimistic, but I cannot see this working. Certainly not with Stepan. What team is in position to pick up aroun d$13m in salary while giving up the asset that you describe?

Grabner sound better, but again "Take our drek and a third line player and give us a good, young defenseman" sounds like a stretch.
 
True Blue said:
Maybe I am just pessimistic, but I cannot see this working. Certainly not with Stepan. What team is in position to pick up aroun d$13m in salary while giving up the asset that you describe?

Grabner sound better, but again "Take our drek and a third line player and give us a good, young defenseman" sounds like a stretch.
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You don't think Dallas takes that deal with Klingberg involved? (Especially if they send one of Niemi/Lehtonen our way)
 
I believe this Gorton needs to go somewhere with no cell service when free agency opens. I want no part of Shattenkirk. We saw this with Yandle. To go pay top dollar for a guy and put him on your third pair, because that's where he will end up, is crazy. You want a PP man? Give Skjei a look. Give Ryan Graves and his 103mph shot a chance. See how Sean Day does in camp. Because while none of them may put up the numbers Shattenkirk might, (or might not, because he's not feeding Ovechkin or Tarasenko here) I guarantee you he's not 6m dollars better than any of those three. Open a spot, let it be known it's open and let the boys compete. Don't slam the door in their face before their careers begin.
 
SML said:
I believe this Gorton needs to go somewhere with no cell service when free agency opens. I want no part of Shattenkirk. We saw this with Yandle. To go pay top dollar for a guy and put him on your third pair, because that's where he will end up, is crazy. You want a PP man? Give Skjei a look. Give Ryan Graves and his 103mph shot a chance. See how Sean Day does in camp. Because while none of them may put up the numbers Shattenkirk might, (or might not, because he's not feeding Ovechkin or Tarasenko here) I guarantee you he's not 6m dollars better than any of those three. Open a spot, let it be known it's open and let the boys compete. Don't slam the door in their face before their careers begin.
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Shatty won't be on the 3rd pair if we sign him, even if Gorton has to step in if AV does do that.
 
If Nash is worth a #1 pick I think we should consider it to be honest before next season in October 2017 - we will miss him for sure. But we need to start to retool. And AV nor Gorton promised our current core a new cup run next year.
 
Ori said:
If Nash is worth a #1 pick I think we should consider it to be honest before next season in October 2017 - we will miss him for sure. But we need to start to retool. And AV nor Gorton promised our current core a new cup run next year.
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He's not. At least until AFTER expansion.

Nash retained at that point maybe... but certainly not when someone is going to have to protect him.
 
Ori said:
If Nash is worth a #1 pick I think we should consider it to be honest before next season in October 2017 - we will miss him for sure. But we need to start to retool. And AV nor Gorton promised our current core a new cup run next year.
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No one is giving up a first round pick for Nash
 
Chief Ranger said:
Why not? I think that would be more than fair.
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Because I do not believe that is his value. I would take a first rounder for him in a heartbeat. But what team is giving up a first round pick for a player who is essentially a solid two way player that disappears offensively in the playoffs? And costs $8m?

Gorton explored trading him last year. The offers were pennies on the dollar. A first round pick is capital in a salary cap world. If the returns were so little last year, I do not see that he performance has elevated it back to a level where it would bring back such a return.
 
True Blue said:
Because I do not believe that is his value. I would take a first rounder for him in a heartbeat. But what team is giving up a first round pick for a player who is essentially a solid two way player that disappears offensively in the playoffs? And costs $8m?

Gorton explored trading him last year. The offers were pennies on the dollar. A first round pick is capital in a salary cap world. If the returns were so little last year, I do not see that he performance has elevated it back to a level where it would bring back such a return.
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I'm sure any trade of Nash would include some amount of money retained. There's absolutely no reason we can't retain 50% on Nash. In fact, I would prefer that we do so, to keep us from spending that money on something else, as we'll need it in 2018.
 
GAGLine said:
I'm sure any trade of Nash would include some amount of money retained. There's absolutely no reason we can't retain 50% on Nash. In fact, I would prefer that we do so, to keep us from spending that money on something else, as we'll need it in 2018.
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Agreed. What team on the cusp WOULDN'T take Rick Nash at $3.9MM for one year in exchange for what they would no doubt expect to be a pick in the late twenties? That almost sounds low to me.

Moving him before the expansion draft, however, might be a bit difficult.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
Agreed. What team on the cusp WOULDN'T take Rick Nash at $3.9MM for one year in exchange for what they would no doubt expect to be a pick in the late twenties? That almost sounds low to me.

Moving him before the expansion draft, however, might be a bit difficult.
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Doesn't need to be before ED, but I hope it's before/during the entry draft, so that we can get the pick this year instead of next year. Yes, I know this is supposedly a weak draft, but maybe teams will be more likely to part with the pick because of that. Getting the pick in this draft rather than the next gives us a player who is 1 year closer to the NHL (in theory).
 
Maybe im the odd man out but i'd rather keep Nash for another year then retain half his salary to get back a late first.
 
Blueshirts777 said:
Maybe im the odd man out but i'd rather keep Nash for another year then retain half his salary to get back a late first.
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Why? He's still a good player, but he won't be the difference between us winning and not winning the cup. He's had the chance to be that already and failed.

Are we re-signing him? Next year is the last year of his contract. You'd let him walk for nothing? Retaining half his salary won't hurt us in the least, which is exactly why we should do it. We don't need that extra 3.9 mil next year. We'll need it in 2018, but his cap hit will be completely off the books then.
 
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