Player Discussion Jeff Gorton

[Ghost of jas]

Maybe im the odd man out but i'd rather keep Nash for another year then retain half his salary to get back a late first.

I'll move Nash and retain if good assets are coming back. But, I'm okay keeping Nash if it means we don't take back a bad contract that lasts beyond this year. Worst case scenario is that he stays the year and you open up $7.8 million in cap space next year.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Why? He's still a good player, but he won't be the difference between us winning and not winning the cup. He's had the chance to be that already and failed.

Are we re-signing him? Next year is the last year of his contract. You'd let him walk for nothing? Retaining half his salary won't hurt us in the least, which is exactly why we should do it. We don't need that extra 3.9 mil next year. We'll need it in 2018, but his cap hit will be completely off the books then.

Yup. Gorton made a really good start towards repositioning this team last summer. Continuing that process means essentially:

1) Finding a way to get rid of Girardi.
2) Finding a way to get rid of Staal.
3) Exploring trades for everyone else over the age of 25 to restock the talent pool and build around the solid group of younger building blocks that the team has quietly amassed. The older the player, the higher on the list they should be to go (with the exception of Lundqvist). Nash should be the very first candidate.

 

[Fugazy]

Maybe im the odd man out but i'd rather keep Nash for another year then retain half his salary to get back a late first.

I'd be fine if they did their due diligence, couldn't find a trade partner and had to hold onto Nash. But I think the Rangers should be actively seeking to deal Nash and get some younger assets and/or picks in return.

 

[Blueshirts777]

Why? He's still a good player, but he won't be the difference between us winning and not winning the cup. He's had the chance to be that already and failed.

Are we re-signing him? Next year is the last year of his contract. You'd let him walk for nothing? Retaining half his salary won't hurt us in the least, which is exactly why we should do it. We don't need that extra 3.9 mil next year. We'll need it in 2018, but his cap hit will be completely off the books then.

Because I still think this core has the goods to challenge the cup as long as the defense is retooled. Nash is still a guy that can be a gamechanger and I don't think there is a UFA that we can sign to replace his two way ability.

And maybe they do sign him to a 1 year deal on a low salary next year. We know he loves New York and would maybe take a discount to stay.

 

[True Blue]

I'm sure any trade of Nash would include some amount of money retained. There's absolutely no reason we can't retain 50% on Nash. In fact, I would prefer that we do so, to keep us from spending that money on something else, as we'll need it in 2018.

I would presume so as well, but then you are narrowing the universe of those that would. Then the question becomes does a team on the cusp send a first round pick for a 2nd line forward whose skills are on the decline?

And again remember that last summer Gorton could not find such a deal. So why would he be able to find one now?
Why? He's still a good player, but he won't be the difference between us winning and not winning the cup. He's had the chance to be that already and failed.

Are we re-signing him? Next year is the last year of his contract. You'd let him walk for nothing? Retaining half his salary won't hurt us in the least, which is exactly why we should do it. We don't need that extra 3.9 mil next year. We'll need it in 2018, but his cap hit will be completely off the books then

I completely agree with this. I just do not think the return would be what you are expecting.

 

[LORDE]

I'll move Nash and retain if good assets are coming back. But, I'm okay keeping Nash if it means we don't take back a bad contract that lasts beyond this year. Worst case scenario is that he stays the year and you open up $7.8 million in cap space next year.

Then once again you are losing an asset for absolutely nothing.

For a team that's hurting so badly farm system wise it makes zero sense.

But hey, they did it with Yandle and Grabner sooooooooooo

You may in fact get your wish.

I for one am SICK to death of this team operating in this manner. It's over.

Start looking forward. Jesus.

(That last line wasn't aimed at you... it's for management)

 

[Thirty One]

I for one am SICK to death of this team operating in this manner. It's over.

Start looking forward. Jesus.

(That last line wasn't aimed at you... it's for management)

Oh, I thought it was for Jesus.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Then once again you are losing an asset for absolutely nothing.

For a team that's hurting so badly farm system wise it makes zero sense.

But hey, they did it with Yandle and Grabner sooooooooooo

You may in fact get your wish.

I for one am SICK to death of this team operating in this manner. It's over.

Start looking forward. Jesus.

(That last line wasn't aimed at you... it's for management)

So, you'd rather take another bad contract, just to move Nash?

 

[Don Chytil]

But hey, they did it with Yandle and Grabner sooooooooooo

We got Tyler Wall and a 2017 4th for Yandle's rights? And we still have Grabner.

 

[RangerBoy]

It looks like Gorton has the successor to Lundqvist in Shestyorkin who has 2 years remaining on his KHL contract. Four more years for Lundqvist. Shestyorkin splits time in his first NHL season. In the last season of both of their contracts,Shestyorkin becomes the #1 goalkeeper. Shestyorkin will be 23 on 9/15 in his first NHL season. He will turn 24 during his first NHL season. 2 year ELC. Gorton needs to acquire position players to build around. Draft. Trades. Figure out which players are worth keeping from the current group. Skjei. Buchnevich. Zibanejad. Think 2-4 years ahead. Build the next core group of players. Pray there are some elite difference makers in that core group.

 

[Kaapodonna]

I really don't think it will be that hard to move Nasher if they want to. He plays a good all around game, and with some money retained, there will be teams interested for sure. ESPECIALLY on the short term. Says the right things, plays the right way. Who knows tho, maybe they want to keep him if hes willing to take a discount. Reduced money, reduced roll. He can still skate. He is getting old tho

 

[Inferno]

Rick Nash is most definitely worth a first round pick to a contending team. hes a terrific player still. is he a superstar like he used to be? No. But is he capable of single handedly taking over a game? Absolutely. If I'm moving him, im getting a first rounder FOR SURE. otherwise id rather just keep him.

 

[E-Train]

Rick Nash is most definitely worth a first round pick to a contending team. hes a terrific player still. is he a superstar like he used to be? No. But is he capable of single handedly taking over a game? Absolutely. If I'm moving him, im getting a first rounder FOR SURE. otherwise id rather just keep him.

19th overall from the Sharks. Retain some, say 25%, doesn't have to be 50%. Would look good with Jumbo.

 

[LORDE]

So, you'd rather take another bad contract, just to move Nash?

No... i'd take pennies on the dollar and get SOMETHING for him instead of hoping he becomes something he never has been just for another kick at the can.

This team isn't winning anything as currently constructed... maybe try a different method instead of buying ever deadline and not selling expendable assets.

 

[LORDE]

We got Tyler Wall and a 2017 4th for Yandle's rights? And we still have Grabner.

Who would we have if we sold Yandle two deadlines ago? Grabner last dealine?

 

[True Blue]

I really don't think it will be that hard to move Nasher if they want to. He plays a good all around game, and with some money retained, there will be teams interested for sure. ESPECIALLY on the short term. Says the right things, plays the right way. Who knows tho, maybe they want to keep him if hes willing to take a discount. Reduced money, reduced roll. He can still skate. He is getting old tho

Then why wasn't he moved last summer when Gorton was trying to unload him?

 

[True Blue]

Rick Nash is most definitely worth a first round pick to a contending team. hes a terrific player still. is he a superstar like he used to be? No. But is he capable of single handedly taking over a game? Absolutely. If I'm moving him, im getting a first rounder FOR SURE. otherwise id rather just keep him.

Same question here. Gorton could not get that last year, why would he get that this year?

And is the view that a first rounder is the only acceptable return for Nash?

 

[E-Train]

Then why wasn't he moved last summer when Gorton was trying to unload him?

The ask was likely larger than it would be now with one year to go. We'll see whether or not there's a taker this offseason.

 

[Irishguy42]

Same question here. Gorton could not get that last year, why would he get that this year?

And is the view that a first rounder is the only acceptable return for Nash?

Because Nash has one year left on his deal. Lot easier to swallow, especially if salary is retained.

 

[Thirty One]

Same question here. Gorton could not get that last year, why would he get that this year?

And is the view that a first rounder is the only acceptable return for Nash?

How do you know what offers he got and what Gorton would deem an acceptable offer?

 

[True Blue]

The ask was likely larger than it would be now with one year to go. We'll see whether or not there's a taker this offseason.

That may be, but again, the rumored return was pennies on the dollar. Pennies on the dollar is certainly much less than a first round pick.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

that claim was many countless times last summer and then he wasn't dealt because none of the other 29 teams agreed with it

A claim by fans who have no clue what was discussed.

 

[True Blue]

How do you know what offers he got and what Gorton would deem an acceptable offer?

There were various reports that stated that his worth on the trade market was pennies on the dollar. I gleaned the information from these reports. And then I speculated about what I gleaned on a message board.

 

[True Blue]

Because Nash has one year left on his deal. Lot easier to swallow, especially if salary is retained.

So one year left on contract as opposed to two, raises the value from pennies to first rounder? Not being snide here, just the math is not adding up for me.

 

[Kaapodonna]

Then why wasn't he moved last summer when Gorton was trying to unload him?

I would assume because teams were trying to rip us off. You don't move a player of Nash's caliber for scraps. At worst case you hold on to him, because a player like him sets a good example on how to play in this league to younger kids. And he is still a potential 40 goal scorer. We also don't know how hard we were trying to move him. All we have to go by is speculation from the beat writers.

Edit: For got to add, that with only 1 year left on his contract, it is even easier to fit on a cup run team. Especially at the deadline.