A claim by fans who read publications which stated that. Perhaps said publications had no clue what was discussed. Which then brings the point of why discussing anything on here until after it actually happens? After all, same fans who claim that his price is a first round pick also have no clue about what was discussed. And since we all have no clue, why even bother?
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Irishguy42
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Oh whoops. For some reason, I was just reading it as "Why would Nash be worth more this year than last year?" and not so much "Why would Nash be worth a first now if he was worth jack **** last year?"
Still, the basic idea that Nash is worth more now than last year still holds.
Rip us off from what perspective? What exactly is Nash's caliber today? A 2nd line two way player who has issues scoring in the playoffs?
Or you trade him and take back assets. Even if not a first round pick.
He has not hit that level of play in several years. Why would he suddenly, as an older version, be able to produce at that level?
Isn't that what we are doing? Speculating?
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He's also a locker room leader and someone that is highly respected by his peers. He arguably turned around the Canadian series in game 4. He's still a valuable asset and someone who could definitely stick around as a Ranger after next year.
Inferno
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precisely.
if youre a "go for it" team..hed be the perfect add...like the Ducks? they are reallllly close.
E-Train
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Don't really know what that translates to. A first alone could be considered pennies on the dollar last offseason. Now it would be closer to the full dollar.
Kaapodonna
What me worry?
Because of cap certainty. Every team has players to resign every year. If a team can add Nash at the deadline, and have his cap disappear at the end of the playoffs, it means less maneuvering the following year to try and get others resigned. Expiring contracts are more valuable, especially on a cap tight team, and that player will help you.
Look, there will be no happier person than me if Gorton manages to get that for Nash. I just do not see it happening.
And since I think that the Rangers are certainly a playoff team next year, then the only time to do it is in the summer. They will more than likely not be sellers at the deadline.
Ghost of jas
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We also don't know what GMJG was asking? What if teams were asking to put their own version of Girardi/Staal in the deal in order to give up assets? We just have the clichéd 'pennies on the dollar' description. Again, Gorton is looking for a deal he is comfortable making. That may not correspond with what posters here would like to see done.
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Inferno
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yeah i wonder if theres a team ready to load up that would take nash for free if they had to also take 1 of DG or Staal.
DG+Nash for Bad contract with 1 year left on it...
DG+Nash for Bad contract with 1 year left on it...
Kaapodonna
What me worry?
Like if a team only wanted to give us a c level prospect and a crappy pick. Nash's caliber is still a top 6 player no doubt. If Gorton wanted to move him for $&#@ he would have.
I'm not advocating on keeping him. I'm just saying, it's dumb to trade him for table scraps. He is more valuable to keep, and help us.
Maybe 40 goal scorer was a bit over the top, but 30 goal scorer for sure. Nash had 42 goals 2 seasons ago. Was injured most of the next, and was snake bitten this past year. There is nothing stopping him from scoring 30-40 again. He hasn't lost a step speed wise.
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But if all of the teams gave Gorton back that return, doesn't that set the market value?
We should probably define what "scraps" is for the purpose of this conversation? Are two third round picks scraps? Is a second rounder scraps? C level prospect, I get. But where is the line drawn?
We will have to agree to disagree here. Short of him riding shotgun to a Crosby or a Toews type, I do not see 30 goals in his future.
At this point, I think that he is what he is. A good 2nd line two way player whose regular season scoring is streaky and goes south in the playoffs.
Blueshirts777
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My gut feeling is that the Vanek deal will be the comparison which is laughable considering the Rangers are still very much a playoff team and don't need to give him away.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
We know with a fairly high level of confidence that the Blues looked long and hard at a deal of Nash at, I believe, $1.8MM retained for Shattenkirk early last year. That was meaningful value – so at least one team was considering a deal that wasn't pennies on the dollar.
If the Rangers are willing to retain the full $3.9MM on a top 6, plays in all situations winger, who can occasionally dominate a game, who has now proven himself to be healthy, that again is definitely is worth real value.
As to why he might be easier to move than last year, remember, back then he was a) coming off of injury, b) the cap barely had barely moved and c) most importantly, the looming expansion threw everything off. Once the wild card of the expansion draft is over, with only a year left on his deal, and with retention, he becomes MUCH easier to fit on another roster.
If the Rangers are willing to retain the full $3.9MM on a top 6, plays in all situations winger, who can occasionally dominate a game, who has now proven himself to be healthy, that again is definitely is worth real value.
As to why he might be easier to move than last year, remember, back then he was a) coming off of injury, b) the cap barely had barely moved and c) most importantly, the looming expansion threw everything off. Once the wild card of the expansion draft is over, with only a year left on his deal, and with retention, he becomes MUCH easier to fit on another roster.
BRF, I am all for him fetching a first rounder. I just do not see it in the cards.
A solid 2nd line two-way player, whose scoring historically goes south in the playoffs. First rounder? Not for me. Now, once you start to get into the 2nd & 3rd rounders, I think there is a deal to be made. And those picks do have real value. What is the right combination? I truly do not know.
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You're gut feeling must also have predicted that we'd have needed to add Stepan or Kreider to get Nash to begin with.
Nash is 100% worth a 1st, and more. His scoring goes south in the playoffs is a 3 year old narrative.
23 points in his last 36 games.
Martin Hanzel returned a 1st and a 2nd. Rick Nash is so much better than Hanzel. You'd also be getting him for a full season.
Then why couldn't Gorton get that last year?
What are his career numbers? Krieder is more of an offensive player in the playoffs than he is?
Where was this playoff beast of a player when his team needed him the most? Invisible. Like he has always been.
Anyway, we should probably move this to the Nash thread. Trading Nash should be a priority for Gorton. I doubt that he gets a first round pick. Let alone a first round pick and more. If he does, he has done an unbelievable job. If he cannot, as I suspect will be the answer, then he needs to decide what is a good enough return. We can debate what that is.
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AIexisLafreniereNYR
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Wow. I was on and off with Sather but my god I Love Gorts. A mastermind with signing NCAA top players, and oversea players. Has been doing fantastic with contract negotiations. His trading is just fine. Bought out Girardi.
Within the last week we've adding youth, vets, and quality prospects to ours organization. I'm happy wit what the Rangers have become!
The New York Rangers are a team players want to come to. We're certainly on the rise!
Within the last week we've adding youth, vets, and quality prospects to ours organization. I'm happy wit what the Rangers have become!
The New York Rangers are a team players want to come to. We're certainly on the rise!
LiveLongandProspal
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I agree with everything but players have always wanted to come to the Rangers. Always. Gorton didn't change that.
Irishguy42
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Good start Jeff but I'm still waiting for McDavid or Crosby. Do me a favor and hurry up so I can enjoy the rest of my summer 
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Good start Jeff but I'm still waiting for McDavid or Crosby. Do me a favor and hurry up so I can enjoy the rest of my summer
Since we can't win a Cup without an elite center.. McDavid or bust
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