Player Discussion Jayden Struble Part 2

[26Mats]

That won't happen any time soon, so when Harris comes back.. he's gonna play.

I could see Harris being the 7th or 8th, or in a rotation.

I have Struble ahead on my depth chart, for now.

But if the plan is to trade Harris, it would be better to play him and play Struble in Laval, until a trade goes down. That way he won't lose value.

 

[schwang26]

That won't happen any time soon, so when Harris comes back.. he's gonna play

He’ll need to play in order to showcase him, but who comes out? He will get dealt. I started saying this last year.

 

[Don D]

This dude is showing more potential than Harris, that's for sure.

Different skill sets.

 

[bcv]

Different skill sets.

What does he bring that's so different from the players currently playing?

Reinbacher, Hutson, Engstrom and Konyushkov are not with the Habs/Rocket yet and there's already too many bodies. At some point, some will be moved out and, to me, Harris is the prime candidate.

Now, will his relationship with the GM extend his stay? Perhaps, but he's still the most expendable player out of the lot to me.

 

[Scriptor]

Next step for Jay Struble (and no rush for this, but would be good to see if it can work....in case of a Hutson-Struble pairing in the future):

Try him (here and there) in the near future on the RIGHT-side...just to see. (Unless Struble much prefers the LEFT-side vs the RIGHT-side).



Options:
Hutson-Struble
Hutson-Reinbacher
Hutson-Mailloux

(but...you might want to try a more DEFENSIVE-dman or two-way dman with Hutson, so...Struble and Reinbacher have major advantages over Mailloux...defensively).

But...if Struble is much better on the LEFT-side...let him be on the LEFT-side, etc.


Go Jay Go!!!!! (I see Jayden Struble becoming a solid playoff-warrior dman for our Habs in the future).

Test him with Matheson for now and call Xhekaj back up:

Matheson - Struble
Guhle - Barron
Xhekaj - Savard/Kovacevic

 

[1909]

They aren't waiving Jordan Harris.

They still can send him down to Laval without going thru waivers.

 

[Tyson]

They still can send him down to Laval without going thru waivers.

I read where he had to go on waivers to be sent down.

 

[Ezpz]

I read where he had to go on waivers to be sent down.

You may be correct since cap friendly has his waiver exempt status removed when it was there earlier in the year. Perhaps his time spent on the roster now has accrued another season and he's counted as a three year vet and thus needs waivers.

Since he signed at 21 years old 80 games was the threshold. He started the year at 75 gp so from game 5 he lost his waiver ineligibility according to this chart.

 

[blueberry]

We all realize that some of these guys will have to go. Harris isn't bad really just doesn't stand out but he's competant. Now we talk about swapping our excess for a great forward and trading Harris won't do it. All these guys maybe have great potential but you won't get anything for potential. We will have to trade someone that's already made it and looks really good to get anything of worth. At this moment it would probably have to be Ghule. I know at the moment he's our most promising but to get quality you've got to give quality. Can he be replaced with one of our upcoming d's. Doesn't have to be right now but within the next couple of years. Ghule does seem to be somewhat injury prone. If we can get an "A" level forward for him ,depending who it is, we should think long and hard. Don't get me wrong I love ghule but he's the only one at the moment that could potentially return us a good forward. If we don't do it we will lose some of these excess d's for nothing, That would be bad management as they said these guys can be traded for a star forward. Good luck with that.

 

[Toene]

We all realize that some of these guys will have to go. Harris isn't bad really just doesn't stand out but he's competant. Now we talk about swapping our excess for a great forward and trading Harris won't do it. All these guys maybe have great potential but you won't get anything for potential. We will have to trade someone that's already made it and looks really good to get anything of worth. At this moment it would probably have to be Ghule. I know at the moment he's our most promising but to get quality you've got to give quality. Can he be replaced with one of our upcoming d's. Doesn't have to be right now but within the next couple of years. Ghule does seem to be somewhat injury prone. If we can get an "A" level forward for him ,depending who it is, we should think long and hard. Don't get me wrong I love ghule but he's the only one at the moment that could potentially return us a good forward. If we don't do it we will lose some of these excess d's for nothing, That would be bad management as they said these guys can be traded for a star forward. Good luck with that.

He'll look even better imo when Reinbacher, Hutson, Engstrom, etc. strengthen our blue-line. I'd wait before doing this, if they are to entertain the idea at all.

 

[Scriptor]

We all realize that some of these guys will have to go. Harris isn't bad really just doesn't stand out but he's competant. Now we talk about swapping our excess for a great forward and trading Harris won't do it. All these guys maybe have great potential but you won't get anything for potential. We will have to trade someone that's already made it and looks really good to get anything of worth. At this moment it would probably have to be Ghule. I know at the moment he's our most promising but to get quality you've got to give quality. Can he be replaced with one of our upcoming d's. Doesn't have to be right now but within the next couple of years. Ghule does seem to be somewhat injury prone. If we can get an "A" level forward for him ,depending who it is, we should think long and hard. Don't get me wrong I love ghule but he's the only one at the moment that could potentially return us a good forward. If we don't do it we will lose some of these excess d's for nothing, That would be bad management as they said these guys can be traded for a star forward. Good luck with that.

Matheson is the best trade chip, IMO. Three more years, including this one, at a cheap Cap hit, given the offensive production he can bring, basically in his prime for a D.

Got to target a team with an open, or opening Cup window, willing to trade a bluechip forward who will become an impact forward in a couple of years ( 2026-2027 or 2027-2028 ), but won't be one while that team looks to go on a long playoff run in the hopes of winning a Cup immediately.

Basically needs to be a Nieuwendyk-Iginla situation that is a win-win for both teams.Add-ons to this trade from Montreal need to be determined, whether it is in the form of prospects, and/or draft picks.

 

[26Mats]

Test him with Matheson for now and call Xhekaj back up:

Matheson - Struble
Guhle - Barron
Xhekaj - Savard/Kovacevic

would be nice to trade one or both of Savard and Kovacevic by the tdl.

 

[Scriptor]

would be nice to trade one or both of Savard and Kovacevic by the tdl.

I would not trade both RDs at the deadline. We don't have enough immediate NHL depth.

 

[Scriptor]

I would not trade both RDs at the deadline. We don't have enough immediate NHL depth.

Ideally, we trade Savard with zero Cap retention, but, if we can get a 2nd round pick in 2024, or 2025 for Kovacevic (keep stockpiling for a big move that offseason), like we did with Kulak, by all means....

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I would not trade both RDs at the deadline. We don't have enough immediate NHL depth.

Kovacevic will have very little value to a contender and is more valuable as a depth dman in Montreal next season.

 

[Scriptor]

Kovacevic will have very little value to a contender and is more valuable as a depth dman in Montreal next season.

Agree, but, if Kulak could nab a 2nd rounder from a team last season, you never know. Kovecevic is a cheap righty for this year and next and has proven he can play a 3rd pairing role at the NHL level with a certain amount of consistency.

If he doesn't get you a 2nd round pick, you keep him as a depth D.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Agree, but, if Kulak could nab a 2nd rounder from a team last season, you never know. Kovecevic is a cheap righty for this year and next and has proven he can play a 3rd pairing role at the NHL level with a certain amount of consistency.

If he doesn't get you a 2nd round pick, you keep him as a depth D.

I agree a 2nd would be worth moving him for but nobody is going to offer that imo. Kulak was considerably more valuable as he had a Stanley Cup run under his belt and alot more overall NHL experience.

Buyers at the deadline have aspirations of winning a Cup and a player with so little NHL experience including zero playoff experience is of very little value. They will be looking to add more proven commodities with their higher draft picks.

 

[Scriptor]

I agree a 2nd would be worth moving him for but nobody is going to offer that imo. Kulak was considerably more valuable as he had a Stanley Cup run under his belt and alot more overall NHL experience.

Buyers at the deadline have aspirations of winning a Cup and a player with so little NHL experience including zero playoff experience is of very little value. They will be looking to add more proven commodities with their higher draft picks.

We'll see...

 

[salbutera]

Matheson is the best trade chip, IMO. Three more years, including this one, at a cheap Cap hit, given the offensive production he can bring, basically in his prime for a D.

Got to target a team with an open, or opening Cup window, willing to trade a bluechip forward who will become an impact forward in a couple of years ( 2026-2027 or 2027-2028 ), but won't be one while that team looks to go on a long playoff run in the hopes of winning a Cup immediately.

Basically needs to be a Nieuwendyk-Iginla situation that is a win-win for both teams.Add-ons to this trade from Montreal need to be determined, whether it is in the form of prospects, and/or draft picks.

Players w term left on contract rarely of ever are deal during the season anymore

Secondly, Matheson is not a defensively dependable playoff warrior type top-4

 

[Scriptor]

Players w term left on contract rarely of ever are deal during the season anymore

Secondly, Matheson is not a defensively dependable playoff warrior type top-4

Matheson is puck-moving option a team will trade for in the offseason if that is what they are missing on D, especially if they have the more stay-at-home version of a D to pair with Matheson.

I don't expect Matheson to be moved at the trade deadline.

 

[Naslundforever]

What does he bring that's so different from the players currently playing?

Reinbacher, Hutson, Engstrom and Konyushkov are not with the Habs/Rocket yet and there's already too many bodies. At some point, some will be moved out and, to me, Harris is the prime candidate.

Now, will his relationship with the GM extend his stay? Perhaps, but he's still the most expendable player out of the lot to me.

Did not know they were together. Agreed he looks like a good player with not much stand-outish

 

[Tyson]

It will be interesting how Hughes deals with players he has had personal relationships like Matheson, Struble and Harris. Can he separate personal from what's best for the team?
I can't see him moving Harris right now eventhough the eye test says he doesn't have a future on this blueline

 

[Deebs]

It will be interesting how Hughes deals with players he has had personal relationships like Matheson, Struble and Harris. Can he separate personal from what's best for the team?
I can't see him moving Harris right now eventhough the eye test says he doesn't have a future on this blueline

If he can't, he should be fired immediately. I'm suspecting there won't be an issue when the time comes.

 

[salbutera]

It will be interesting how Hughes deals with players he has had personal relationships like Matheson, Struble and Harris. Can he separate personal from what's best for the team?
I can't see him moving Harris right now eventhough the eye test says he doesn't have a future on this blueline

How many games in a row did Montembeault play this season prior to signing his deal?

And now he is….

Can’t be an effective agent without shark like capabilities…

 

[1909]

You may be correct since cap friendly has his waiver exempt status removed when it was there earlier in the year. Perhaps his time spent on the roster now has accrued another season and he's counted as a three year vet and thus needs waivers.

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Since he signed at 21 years old 80 games was the threshold. He started the year at 75 gp so from game 5 he lost his waiver ineligibility according to this chart.

Too bad if it's the case.