Confirmed with Link: Jay Woodcroft and Dave Manson fired - no more Woody during NNN - Kris Knoblauch hired, Coffey as assistant

[brentashton]

5 game winning streak and we jumped one team and gained only 2 pts on the wild

Patience.

Thats partly a product of the schedule and matchups. It’s turning positive..

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

5 game winning streak and we jumped one team and gained only 2 pts on the wild

Also have games in hand. It’s coming.

 

[Sra1974]

Patience.

Thats partly a product of the schedule and matchups. It’s turning positive..

Also a sign of just how hard this is going to be and how thin the margin of error is for them to make the playoffs. Perfect hockey and all it has done is brought them closer to the pack. They need to keep this up to get past the pack.

I love how they are playing but this is not an easy task.

 

[Fishy McScales]

5 game winning streak and we jumped one team and gained only 2 pts on the wild

They had five days off in the middle of it so this seems a bit sensationalist.

 

[PaPaDee]

5 game winning streak and we jumped one team and gained only 2 pts on the wild

It’s very, very difficult to come back after such a disastrous start. They need to win another 5 in a row and then win 75% of their remaining games to give themselves a shot. I don’t see it happening. This is still the same team that could barely scratch out a win earlier this season.

 

[KCC]

5 game winning streak and we jumped one team and gained only 2 pts on the wild

All EDM can do is claw back to .500 and keep trucking along. It would be a different story if there were say 15 games left or less. They still have 59 games thankfully. And as others have mentioned they do have a bunch of games in hand. Win those and that def helps.

 

[North Cole]

It’s very, very difficult to come back after such a disastrous start. They need to win another 5 in a row and then win 75% of their remaining games to give themselves a shot. I don’t see it happening. This is still the same team that could barely scratch out a win earlier this season.

No way. Winning 5 more in a row and 75% of the remaining games gives us 112 points, assuming no more OTL. Thats way more than giving ourselves a shot. The p% required is slowly dropping, now its down to 0.627.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Also have games in hand. It’s coming.

Games in hand only mean anything if you win them. Another one of those teams that the Oilers just love to play in Minnesota tonight... Ugh.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Games in hand only mean anything if you win them. Another one of those teams that the Oilers just love to play in Minnesota tonight... Ugh.

no way.

 

[Thomas Tatar]

I was against hiring Coffey as an assistant but so far I am dead wrong ---and loving it.

Yeah I ranted for a few days to my wife about how stupid the Oilers were for bringing in Coffey and that he has no experience and this will fail. Plus I thought it undermined Knob by forcing an assistant on him with no experience.

Crow tastes good. I will give him credit in that the D have spoke highly of him and seeing Ekholm pinch on that goal against Carolina was ALL Coffey.

It turns out my rage reactions to decisions on my couch aren’t always right. (In fact they are usually wrong)

 

[TB12]

Biggest thing for me that we might not see for awhile is how does Knoblauch adjust.

Seems we've been through a lot of coaches that get stuck in their ways and don't make adjustments when teams are out scouting us. Going to be big come playoff time when teams spend a ton of time scouting going into a series. Sure you don't want to throw your gameplan out the window too quickly, but in game adjustments will be something to watch going forward.

I already know the responses to this will be "ya, that's college, though".

Buuuuuut Knobber does credit his former Bears coach, Rob Daum, with a lot of his development as a coach, and Rob is, hands down, the best attention to detail and in-game adjustment coach I have ever seen. Ever.

So I do hope Knobber has that ability from one of his mentors.

 

[Thomas Tatar]

I already know the responses to this will be "ya, that's college, though".

Buuuuuut Knobber does credit his former Bears coach, Rob Daum, with a lot of his development as a coach, and Rob is, hands down, the best attention to detail and in-game adjustment coach I have ever seen. Ever.

So I do hope Knobber has that ability from one of his mentors.

That’s great info, thanks for sharing.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It’s very, very difficult to come back after such a disastrous start. They need to win another 5 in a row and then win 75% of their remaining games to give themselves a shot. I don’t see it happening. This is still the same team that could barely scratch out a win earlier this season.

You're real bad at math.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

It’s very, very difficult to come back after such a disastrous start. They need to win another 5 in a row and then win 75% of their remaining games to give themselves a shot. I don’t see it happening. This is still the same team that could barely scratch out a win earlier this season.

Also same team that was out of the playoffs around Christmas and almost won the conference.

 

[jeffff]

It’s very, very difficult to come back after such a disastrous start. They need to win another 5 in a row and then win 75% of their remaining games to give themselves a shot. I don’t see it happening. This is still the same team that could barely scratch out a win earlier this season.

We're 7 pts out of the wild card spot with 3 games in hand and 59!! games remaining.

 

[harpoon]

Same as I did November 12 when I said the following. (page 51 if people want to confirm notes"


Coffey being here on the bench helps almost the way Duncan Keith and Mike Smith being on the bench helped. An intelligent sage who has seen it all and won cups with different club. If the Flames managed to hire this guy the board would implode. Coffey was the best Defenseman of his era, indisputably.

Even when Huddy was hired outside the org people complained about it. These are solid hockey guys.

Since you’re patting yourself on the back again, and taking other posters to task for not having faith Coffey as a coach, I wonder what has changed your thoughts on Coffey since the first time the Oilers employed him a few years back. I’m sure you’ll agree that this post below is not very complimentary to Paul. Some might even say you are kind of mocking him. I recalled from the time how many posts you made about the ‘red wine club’ and how Coffey was obviously just here ‘for the money’ etc etc. As far as I know Coffey didn’t suddenly gain a lot of pro coaching experience since he left the organization after his first tenure here. So what has changed? Or is it just that you disliked Woodcroft so much that anyone would be an improvement?

So as per the special tier 1 breakfast this AM Paul Coffey brought in to assist on the PP according to Chia. What a joke. A guy that has never coached at this level and hasn't had any professional involvement in hockey for decades is going to assist the blind in seeing..

Well it can't get worse, can it? As somebody else mentioned that's a rhetorical question, not a challenge..

But my lord, how funny would it be if the PP improved due to someone not even involved in hockey.


Paul Coffey;

OK, first of all we need to make the goalies worse. We need shots going in from the point and everywhere, I mean what the hell. Back when I played everything went in. Make it happen.

2nd, observe first point. I don't know what that means but it must mean something. I mean why are you losers getting owned by goalies today? Who let that happen? When I played there were 15 goals a game.

3). Lucic, do something, go beat up the goalie, maybe we'll do better with the backup, no wait...

4) Who here is Kurri? Anybody? Hands up. Hey Jesse, why is your tongue out, look at me when I'm talking boy.

5) Any ideas gang?

6) When I played passing the puck 3 times would almost guarantee an open man and a goal. Lets try that, we're not passing enough. Special style points for spinaramas, backhand passes and toedrags. Oh, ya tried that?

7) Take the # 77 off f***er, you're not near good enough.


ps note how I made #7 fit nicely like that..

 

[Drivesaitl]

Since you’re patting yourself on the back again, and taking other posters to task for not having faith Coffey as a coach, I wonder what has changed your thoughts on Coffey since the first time the Oilers employed him a few years back. I’m sure you’ll agree that this post below is not very complimentary to Paul. Some might even say you are kind of mocking him. I recalled from the time how many posts you made about the ‘red wine club’ and how Coffey was obviously just here ‘for the money’ etc etc. As far as I know Coffey didn’t suddenly gain a lot of pro coaching experience since he left the organization after his first tenure here. So what has changed? Or is it just that you disliked Woodcroft so much that anyone would be an improvement?

What you say is considered, but stances can change through time.

But draw the distinction between my expressed disappointment that none of the Old boys club wanted much to do with the Oilers when they were going broke and the owners had to pass the hat around for expenses. At that point none of them were seen. I took that, and others did, as an abandonment of the Oilers, of these players former brand, and of Edmonton itself. One can hold that opinion, and challenge the Old Boys club on that specifically and still hold that Coffey and Messier are astute hockey people, and intelligent, articulate individuals.

Further isn't it possible that people, and their actions, and even responses to events change? Perhaps Coffey now notes his own temporal abandonment of the former club and is now making some amends? To me his acceptance of the AC post seemed to indicate that. For me that was a big move from him and one that showed commitment to his former team.

My opinion on Coffey specifically changed for the above reasons.

As to the post you cited that was an attempted bit of humor in vein with what people were saying at that time, at a different time. Given more time to think about the present plan and hearing what Coffey was stating his appointment made more sense to me and I accepted that he could be valuable in the role.

You'll also know that during the time of Chiarelli here it was easy to think that anything associated with the org was a joke. Thats a different time frame and frankly a different scorched earth Oilers. Mocking that at the time was fairly par for course. Do you actually disagree?


Thank you as always for the search for accountability in anycase. Its good to get feedback.

 

[joestevens29]

I really don't see the point in worrying about the number to get to the playoffs at this point. There is a pile of hockey to play.

I already know the responses to this will be "ya, that's college, though".

Buuuuuut Knobber does credit his former Bears coach, Rob Daum, with a lot of his development as a coach, and Rob is, hands down, the best attention to detail and in-game adjustment coach I have ever seen. Ever.

So I do hope Knobber has that ability from one of his mentors.

Ya that’s college for you

 

[PaPaDee]

You're real bad at math.

I didn’t do math, just an estimate. Regardless, the point stands. It will be very difficult.

 

[gordonhught]

I didn’t do math, just an estimate. Regardless, the point stands. It will be very difficult.

This point does not stand.

It will be very easy. My point stands.

 

[Senor Catface]

I already know the responses to this will be "ya, that's college, though".

Buuuuuut Knobber does credit his former Bears coach, Rob Daum, with a lot of his development as a coach, and Rob is, hands down, the best attention to detail and in-game adjustment coach I have ever seen. Ever.

So I do hope Knobber has that ability from one of his mentors.

 

[Stoneman89]

5 game winning streak and we jumped one team and gained only 2 pts on the wild

Yes, but we were several points behind all of those teams in the first place. We had to make up that distance first. We're now within striking distance of only 1 to 2 points of a couple.

 

[guymez]

It’s very, very difficult to come back after such a disastrous start. They need to win another 5 in a row and then win 75% of their remaining games to give themselves a shot. I don’t see it happening. This is still the same team that could barely scratch out a win earlier this season.

Your math is way off.
If they do in fact win the next 5 games then they will have 31 points in 28 games.
95 points is the typical cutoff for playoffs.

That means that they would need to get 64 points out of a possible 108 points (54 games).
That equates to winning 59% of their remaining games.

 

[guymez]

Since you’re patting yourself on the back again, and taking other posters to task for not having faith Coffey as a coach, I wonder what has changed your thoughts on Coffey since the first time the Oilers employed him a few years back. I’m sure you’ll agree that this post below is not very complimentary to Paul. Some might even say you are kind of mocking him. I recalled from the time how many posts you made about the ‘red wine club’ and how Coffey was obviously just here ‘for the money’ etc etc. As far as I know Coffey didn’t suddenly gain a lot of pro coaching experience since he left the organization after his first tenure here. So what has changed? Or is it just that you disliked Woodcroft so much that anyone would be an improvement?

Its a tired pattern for sure.
Its not just taking other posters to task either...its misrepresenting the position of other posters.

 

[Stoneman89]

It’s very, very difficult to come back after such a disastrous start. They need to win another 5 in a row and then win 75% of their remaining games to give themselves a shot. I don’t see it happening. This is still the same team that could barely scratch out a win earlier this season.

Except it's not the same team, as the Hurricanes found out the other night. Same personnel, but 2 significant players are now over debilitating injuries, and the rest of the team following their lead and buying into playing the right way.