Confirmed with Link: Jay Woodcroft and Dave Manson fired - no more Woody during NNN - Kris Knoblauch hired, Coffey as assistant

Reading the tea leaves, I’m leaning towards our drafting record as the prime reason why Katz soured on Holland and felt he needed help.

Coffey and Katz reached out to Jackson shortly before the draft. They wanted him on board for the draft it seems, but Jackson was busy and told him he couldn’t talk until he handled his agent duties during the busy draft weeks. One of Jackson’s first moves was replacing the failed Tyler Wright with Pracey once he finally did come on board.
 
Coffey could end up being GM after Holland. Say hello to the new old boys club.
Well, the outside ones have sucked ballz. I don't even care who they hire next TBH lol. How much worse can it get. Bottom 6 that is practically at 0 points. Need top 4 dman. Goalie. I bet PC could do that
 
Question, If Knoblauch brings in his assistants from Hartford will people be up in arms over Steve Smith being behind the Oilers bench again?
 
I have to ask as I really can't keep track anymore, but what does Mark Stuart do for us? Is there a reason why he wasn't made defensive coach?

That and has there been any sort of release from Woody?
 
A good read here about coaching and systems (paging @Cloned :) What Kris Knoblauch can, and can't, do to turn around the Oilers' season

You don’t hear the term “structure” as much in other sports. Hockey is such a quick-twitch instant-reaction sport that you often don’t have time to look up and make a thoughtful play, so the best thing the team can provide for you is: in this type of scenario, here is where my teammates should roughly be. That allows you to blindly bang the puck off the boards to where a teammate is supposed to be, or flip it up the middle, depending on the situation.

Breaking: the Oilers weren’t using anything revolutionary under Jay Woodcroft, they were using the same zone defence most of the league does. (If you ever doubt the lack of variety in the NHL’s systems play, consider the PP breakout where a system choice is plainly visible to the public, and every team in the league uses the same drop breakout.)

Maybe zone isn’t the right choice for the Oilers, fine. Maybe they’d be better off thinking less and skating more in man-on-man “structure.” Maybe. But that’s not what ails the Oil, certainly not when they were 3-9-1 and made the decision to fire Woodcroft.

Even if it was, it’s not like bringing in a new coach to fix these system “problems” is as simple as toggling game plans like in a video game. Because hockey, as I said, is so quick-twitch and instant-reaction that you want the way you’re playing to be so engrained in your players that they just react without thinking. You hear coaches say it all the time about a new player adapting to their new team: “He’s thinking right now, we want to get him to where he’s just playing.”

---- This is overwhelmingly on the players to reduce their bad habit, poor decisions and erratic discipline. Always has been and its a chronic, systemic issue that has repeated coach after coach after coach with this team's on-ice personnel. ----
 
I have to ask as I really can't keep track anymore, but what does Mark Stuart do for us? Is there a reason why he wasn't made defensive coach?

That and has there been any sort of release from Woody?
He probably declined media interviews. I don't blame him either with these idiots here and the questions they ask.

Matheson: "Jay, are you pissy about getting fired?"

Spector: "Jay, you had this team rolling last year. What went wrong this year and would you have done anything differently to avoid being in the unemployment line you now see yourself standing in?"

Gregor: "Jay, do you think you'll ever coach in the NHL again?"
 
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Another good coaching piece with an interview with Bruce Cassidy.

@Cloned will like ex-player Mike Johnson's comments at the 7 minute mark how he feels Cassidy is one of a 'handful, a very small handful of difference making coaches. There's not that many that can quantitatively impact the way a team plays, the points they get, how they do. It's largely based on the roster...'

 
This is the worst script ever, team struggles mightily out of the gate. Management has to appear to be doing something, anything so they do the predictable and fire the coach. They then hire another inexperienced at the nhl level guy who really actually seems like the guy thye just fired. Team has probably looked worse under him. Now what?
 
The team has definitely been worse under Knobby. XGF% has been below 50% in 4 of the 5 games under the new coach. Putting two rookie coaches in charge of fixing this mess might end up being one of the worst moves by this organization (in a long list of awful moves).
 
The team has definitely been worse under Knobby. XGF% has been below 50% in 4 of the 5 games under the new coach. Putting two rookie coaches in charge of fixing this mess might end up being one of the worst moves by this organization (in a long list of awful moves).
The good thing is, games are won by actual goals for, and not expected goals for
 
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It's early but as per Jason Gregor the PK is 89.6 so far after last night

I liked Woodcroft but his Pk was ass
I don't want to pile on Woody, but my impression of him became that he is more of a "pointing out mistakes" type of coach, than a create effective systems coach. He's a video guy, since he started in the league, and he kept talking about how he walked the players through the videos of things that went wrong, etc... There is a dif between focusing on pointing out mistakes as a solution, vs teaching tools and a system that will simplify things and help reduce the chances poor decisions can be made.

We saw him get completely destroyed by Cassidy, his defensive system exposed with zero ability to adjust. A lot of what our team was doing over and over was slowly breaking down and being exposed and there seems to be no end in sight. The advertised new zone defense solidified it for me, he's just not a strong systems coach. The PK erosion and how figured out we seemed to be getting by the rest of the league another sign.

Oh well though, people can improve, and maybe he was just on the cusp of starting to before we gave him the boot. And he is a great motivation guy to keep things rolling when things are going well. Will never know how it would have gone.
 
How are we feeling about the coaching changes hf oil?
ignoring the fact that we had some unhealthy players to start the year. Who has been the better coach?
 
How are we feeling about the coaching changes hf oil?
ignoring the fact that we had some unhealthy players to start the year. Who has been the better coach?
Last I heard Jay Woodcroft is THE most winningest coach in Oilers history. Win percentage with a decent sample size under his belt and similar players under his belt as many other coaches.

In a year or two if Knob manages to surpass him in some meaningful way reg/post season... Then I will say the coaching change was wort while.

Right now it certainly looks like it was the right move as a wake up call to the team. Impossible to say if the coaching is better.
 
Last I heard Jay Woodcroft is THE most winningest coach in Oilers history. Win percentage with a decent sample size under his belt and similar players under his belt as many other coaches.

Right now it certainly looks like it was the right move as a wake up call to the team. Impossible to say if the coaching is better.

Breaking out up the middle vs along the wall. No more chip n chase. Layered 1-2-2 defense vs a 1-1-3 Clusterf***. Purposeful forecheck. Zone D simplified for the instinctual players we have.

Coaching is 100% better.
 
Last I heard Jay Woodcroft is THE most winningest coach in Oilers history. Win percentage with a decent sample size under his belt and similar players under his belt as many other coaches.

In a year or two if Knob manages to surpass him in some meaningful way reg/post season... Then I will say the coaching change was wort while.

Right now it certainly looks like it was the right move as a wake up call to the team. Impossible to say if the coaching is better.
I think Woodys record was inflated by the two best players on the planet going supernova and a ridiculous PP. That’s not to say he doesn’t deserve any credit though.

Last year it felt like the team would get worked every game 5 on 5 then players would get it done on the PP. That eventually bit them in the butt. With the number of great players the Oilers have that should not be a thing.
 

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