He didn’t say to have them from the start of the season. Teams usually pick up a seven or an eight or even at nine at the deadline. Luckily for them…
Jason Botterill Discussion Part 5
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He didn’t say to have them from the start of the season. Teams usually pick up a seven or an eight or even at nine at the deadline. Luckily for them…
Two points to that: one is that Gillis said he doesn’t want to be the day-to-day general manager and to his day-to-day general manager work with the Canucks wasn’t good.
Enough with these first year hires at gm and coach. Rolston, bylsma, housley, kreueger Murray and how botterill. They won’t ever tell the owners how it is, they’re too busy kissing their ass for the shot at gm/coach. The coaches they’ve hired are probably the softest coaches in the entire league. Get a winning gm who actually has done this before with success.
Just to point out, there has only been one general manager in the entire history of this team with prior experience and that was the first one.
If he comes in it would be as President of Hockey Operations...I suspect Lawrance Gillman would be his preferred GM. They know drafting was a major issue during their time in Vancouver. I would suspect they would try and lure Judd Brackett or Eric Crawford to head of scouting. Given Judd's rise to stardom over the past couple of drafts in Vancouver I could see them offering him AGM title to make it happen.
I disagree on Mike being a poor GM. His drafting sucked and he has acknowledged that he gave Delorme way too much time to try and correct his poor performance before he intervened with Crawford. He made some mistakes (Booth trade, Luongo contract, Chris Higgins contract, Sundin $10 million was crazy, Keith Ballard never panned out) but also some big homeruns (pretty much every core players contract not named Luongo from 2008 - 2013, Schneider for Horvat, Chris Tanev UFA signing out of college, Mikail Samuelsson UFA signing, keeping AV as his coach when he arrived and everyone wanted him gone, acquiring Max Lapierre to anchor the 4th line in 2011)...
Then there is all of the off-ice innovations he brought to the team from dietitians to sleep doctors to analytics. He was always looking for ways to gain an advantage over the rest of the league by spending money on non player-personale upgrades.
A couple of other points on issues he is sometimes blamed for but shouldn't be....
- He did not want to hire John T as coach in 2013 but had his hand forced by ownership.
- He proposed a full rebuild after 2013 but was turned down by ownership.
I like Brackett's body of work. That would be a good get in my eyes given how Gillis' drafting went.
Agreed....the thing I admire the most about Gillis now is that he can look himself in the mirror and admit his short falls...go out and find smart people to offset his weaknesses. Botts has no idea what he doesn't know and therefore cannot help himself by bringing in the right help. They don't know what they don't know and it is killing this franchise (same for the owners).
And that was from 1970-1978. Bowman destroyed the team as a first time GM. Meehan and his teams barely had a pulse, his only qualification was being Bowman's AGM and an alumni. Then Muckler came in as an advisor, took over as coach-GM which was a first. Since Punch, he's the only guy I've liked and that was for the team he built and then the retool moves he made. Then Regier, who Quinn may have looked upon as a patsy because he and his bro Terry O'Reilly were going to upstage Muckler and Nolan as the new dynamic duo of the NHL world. Then Murray and now Botterill. It isn't a who's who of management wins.
Part of organizational leadership is recognizing where the organization is falling down and putting qualified people in place to correct it. I'm not impressed with the people around Botterill. Greeley, for the talk of being an up-and-comer, seems to be just well-connected with Massachusetts/New England area players. His work as the person responsible for personnel is not an endorsement of anything other than termination.
Even if they do fire this bum, Shero incoming is basically guaranteed. Then we all get to hate another new hire.
Ugh, don't remind me. It'll be some ex-Pen or some ex-Sabre alumni who has steaks at the lord's manor house in Florida, promising to oversea the plantation in the colonies with a refreshed vigor.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
The way Gillis has been talking, he is interested more in a PHO position than a GM position.
Buffaloed
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Finally we're getting some answers:
When Botterill was hired he received dozens of emails requesting he reset his passwords as part of the Sabres security protocol. This included everything having to do with anything in the organization. A recent investigation of misspelled names on jerseys led to the discovery that Botterill had been the victim of a phishing scam that's been active since his first day on the job. For almost 3 years scouting reports have been intercepted and altered, PS&E bank accounts have drained, and all internal communication has been monitored by wealthy Nigerian princes. It has also come to light that Botterill never sent any faxes to consummate any trades. He thought that Sexton was handling it. The NHL is now looking at reversing all of Botterill's trades and overturning the Blues Stanley Cup victory. Tim Hortons is planning a welcome home buffet for Ryan O'Reilly and the Harbor Center Marriott is preparing the Evander Suite. Unfortunately due to the massive financial losses suffered the Sabres can't afford to keep either player and will be forced to trade Jack Eichel.
When Botterill was hired he received dozens of emails requesting he reset his passwords as part of the Sabres security protocol. This included everything having to do with anything in the organization. A recent investigation of misspelled names on jerseys led to the discovery that Botterill had been the victim of a phishing scam that's been active since his first day on the job. For almost 3 years scouting reports have been intercepted and altered, PS&E bank accounts have drained, and all internal communication has been monitored by wealthy Nigerian princes. It has also come to light that Botterill never sent any faxes to consummate any trades. He thought that Sexton was handling it. The NHL is now looking at reversing all of Botterill's trades and overturning the Blues Stanley Cup victory. Tim Hortons is planning a welcome home buffet for Ryan O'Reilly and the Harbor Center Marriott is preparing the Evander Suite. Unfortunately due to the massive financial losses suffered the Sabres can't afford to keep either player and will be forced to trade Jack Eichel.
I remember something Muckler said about the Mogilny for Peca trade, a trade that wasn't popular at the time but Mogilny demanded out...that Peca was a player who hustles and has heart and the team was put together as a rough team that puts forth a lot of effort and that's something the blue collar fans of Buffalo could relate to. I haven't heard a GM say that since. Seems like matching the personality of the team with the personality of Buffalo fans was a winning strategy once upon a time, a philosophy that the Buffalo fans relished. But over time, it was scrapped for the usual scoring stars who when faced with the toughest competition, would fold up the tent.
Of course if it wasn't for Meehan trading for Hasek (and acquiring Mogilny) that '99 team wouldn't have went too far.
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Wasn't the reason Mogilny was traded because they couldn't afford him, Patty and Dom and one had to go?
It's been a country club culture ever since the Pegulas arrived. That totally irrational $10 million locker room set the tone.
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And he made it the the Cup final...of all the other rookie GMs we had only Regier made it to the Cup final (on the back of the most dominant goalie in NHL history).
I'll throw my hat in for voting for an experienced GM.
Eh, I don't think the locker room renovation from almost 10 years ago is the reason the team is currently bad.
There is certainly a lack of personal accountability on the roster as expressed outwardly to the press and fans which was crystalized by Harrington's gotcha moment with Reinhart last night. Integrity is not about roughing it. Being in integrity is about stepping up, owning what one did wrong. And integrity is also saying and even more importantly doing that which will make sure the wrong does not happen again.
I'm going to whip up on two of my favorites - Sheary and Bogosian. Sheary was finally benched, came out of it like a man possessed for about three games and then slipped quietly back into his lackadaisical self. We know what he looks like when he is playing for his spot in the lineup and his livelihood. And we know the other 100-odd games that he's played here where he is not that. There is a lack of integrity with his effort.
As for Bogosian, the guy may be everyone's friend and great with the charities, but his comments about his play have shown a lack of introspection and willingness to take on how much his lack of effort on plays is a direct and immediate drag on his team and teammates. Maybe he knows it, but his "12 years" comment? And then barely breaking a sweat out there? Maybe it's the deference to vets that sees one thinking he can barely make an effort most of the time and think he's going to be due a contract in the summer, but man... if I'm watching that from afar, that's someone who I wouldn't offer an AHL level deal to. Maybe he has a Kovalchuk resurrection on another team, but at this point, after 12 years, we know that he's not good at a lot of the game and now he doesn't have his snarl nor his physical nature to con people into thinking he's worthwhile.
I've mentioned before that if they're going to suck, give me the blood sport side of the game. Make the team some off-shoot of the NAHL or Federal League to satisfy that part of why I enjoy the sport --- I have it just as much as anyone else who grew up in WNY, I admit that freely.
And there is also something to being a WNYer that might be the source of irritation right now. Paraphrasing, but that which we hate in others is that which we hate in ourselves. I grew up surrounded by people who wanted to get a union job and coast to retirement. I would overhear people talking about how they got onto disability, saw people double dipping at multiple jobs while being at neither, had fellow staff sleeping in the toilet stalls during the work day without repercussion. There is a bit of wanting it easy that is the underbelly of the claims of blue collar hard work. There are a lot of people who coast to the finish, or into a backcheck, from my work experiences in the Buffalo area that I have not found elsewhere. So seeing a player coast back? Maybe a little bit of hated self-reflection showing up there for some as they see themselves or the slackers around them but instead of at work or school, it's on their favorite team.
Again, if he'd put his head down and pumped his arms like he was trying to get back -- the appearance of it, not even the reality of finding a way to overcome the burn from a 102 second shift -- no one bats an eye. "He tried, see!" would have been it.
"He tried, see!" also seems to be a rallying cry for most of Botterill's tenure. And at long last, even the late adopters are starting to see that just making the dumb show of trying and producing nothing is not enough. But it's taken us three years to get there.
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That wasn't irrational one bit, especially at the time of the image of the Buffalo Sabres around the league. They needed to update the area to keep up with the times to be considered a professional sports team. It's something small, but valuable for the players.
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