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Jason Botterill Discussion Part 5
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Beerz
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Many people have suggested on here or twitter that Kim Pegula is involved in the "on ice related" actions that I assume mean player movement? If that is what you mean by "on ice related" I would say you are definitely making that up. Also please do not cherry pick any quotes from twitter to prove your point when in reality it represents a very minimal amount of the fan base.
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Dont worry.. I'm not cherry picking shit ... if you care to know you'll look it up yourself. Hell you could find it in this thread if you want. I dont care how "small" or minimal" it is in comparison to the whole fan base. That wasnt the point
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I'm hearing the Pegula's will fire Botterill but they're working on the timing. They're looking at 2 scenarios:
1) The night before the 2020 draft
2) After the 1st game of the 2020-21 regular season
Following the firing they plan to conduct a 6 month search for a new GM. They are fairly firm on these dates so it will look spontaneous as no one in their right mind would plan it that way. They don't want Jason to know they've been planning to fire him for months. Of course this will almost guarantee next season is wasted.
1) The night before the 2020 draft
2) After the 1st game of the 2020-21 regular season
Following the firing they plan to conduct a 6 month search for a new GM. They are fairly firm on these dates so it will look spontaneous as no one in their right mind would plan it that way. They don't want Jason to know they've been planning to fire him for months. Of course this will almost guarantee next season is wasted.
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We don’t even have the people to call up to replace UFAs he can dump at the deadline.
I’m going to cry with laughter when his entire deadline is moving out one guy for a mid round pick.
Fire him.
I’m going to cry with laughter when his entire deadline is moving out one guy for a mid round pick.
Fire him.
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Ahaha! This idiot hasn't been fired yet? The team will again choose in the top 10 and he’s all sitting in his place, what a shame it is. 
they should be all over Europe with PTOs and contracts in hand. But they won’t be. We know that they’ll make excuses that they wanted to maintain a competitive team in Rochester and they will ride out the string. Instead of gathering any sort of draft picks, I just quietly depart this summer except for whatever bonehead extension GMJB offers to someone like Sheary or Vesey. They don’t do anything to maximize their advantage or leverage anything. It’s been there way for the entirety of his management. So frustrated
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Botterill trades Ennis, Foligno and a third rounder for Scandella, Pominville and a fourth rounder.
Then trades him for a fourth rounder to Montreal. So we started with two NHL players and a third rounder. Ended up with no NHL players and two fourth rounders.
Regier, for all his low risk moves that were as exciting as watching paint dry, managed to turn Vanek, who was leaving anyway, into (from memory) a first rounder, three second round picks and a player.
Of course rumours say Vanek could have been a trade for Seguin. That could have been a better end result.
Then trades him for a fourth rounder to Montreal. So we started with two NHL players and a third rounder. Ended up with no NHL players and two fourth rounders.
Regier, for all his low risk moves that were as exciting as watching paint dry, managed to turn Vanek, who was leaving anyway, into (from memory) a first rounder, three second round picks and a player.
Of course rumours say Vanek could have been a trade for Seguin. That could have been a better end result.
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I doubt he gets fired. The Hockey Canada/WJC crowd is firmly in his corner. McKenzie is still preaching patience and McGuire is predicting great things for the Sabres. When Pegula defended Botterill last season by saying "he's the only one to ever win a gold medal in three straight World Junior Hockey Championships", I didn't understand what that had to do with anything. I think it's becoming clear that the people who pushed hard for Botterill are from that WJC crowd. McGuire and McKenzie are fixtures there. In fact McKenzie is retiring but will continue to work the WJC's. The old guard is also still supporting Botterill. It's going to take a few more screwups before Pegula sees the light. I'm looking forward to the trade deadline. 
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Bob Mckenzie?I doubt he gets fired. The Hockey Canada/WJC crowd is firmly in his corner. McKenzie is still preaching patience and McGuire is predicting great things for the Sabres. When Pegula defended Botterill last season by saying "he's the only one to ever win a gold medal in three straight World Junior Hockey Championships", I didn't understand what that had to do with anything. I think it's becoming clear that the people who pushed hard for Botterill are from that WJC crowd. McGuire and McKenzie are fixtures there. In fact McKenzie is retiring but will continue to work the WJC's. The old guard is also still supporting Botterill. It's going to take a few more screwups before Pegula sees the light. I'm looking forward to the trade deadline.
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He hired McDermott because he liked that he was a wrestler. Whether his hires end up good or bad is completely incidental. He has no idea what he’s doing.
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I still remember Bob Mckenzie saying right before Botterill traded O'Reilly that O'Reilly was a 3rd line center on a good team. I haven't paid any attention to him since. Would be interesting if he's a major backer of Botterill.
Rumors also say Regier turned down Peca for Iginla because he wanted a first rounder with Jerome and that he took a draft pick for Paul’s instead of an AHL contract for some guy Boston was having second thoughts about named Marchand. Darcy is not without faults.
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There are good gms. Just none come through here. They should be compared to real franchises. Not this joke show
When I was young and he worked for the hockey news, I revered him. Then I read his emails in the concussion lawsuit that were released as part of Canadian freedom of information and I lost my respect for him. For a person who’s own son had serious post concussion issues, having to give up the game, bob’s responses in those emails were pretty horrible. He’s a dyed in the wool, old-school throwback hockey guy. Everybody connected talks to Bob and Bob talks to everybody. His opinion holds more weight than just about anybody not affiliated with the team or playing, perhaps even more so. And his outsized ego came through in those emails disclosures. He knows his stuff and he’s a great source because everybody runs to tell him first, but he’s kind of a disgusting human who never made amends or apologies for things that were in those documents.
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The Bills got lucky with McDermott. McDermott brought with him a great young front office as well. But remember though Greg Roman was actually the coach that they really loved before going with Rex Ryan. So maybe they just have to go with their gut feeling more often. Do interviews and hire the best person for the job.
Break down the Beaulieu deal and the impact of Sheary/Hunwick. He trades a third and a fourth, starts to get value from Beaulieu in season two but Hunwick and a struggling Scandella get ice time over him even though he played better than they, leading to Nathan asking to be treated at which point they wound up with a sixth round pick for a useful top six defenseman on a playoff team. I’ll say that again: his trade return with a sixth round draft pick for a player who played meaningful games not just in the top six but in the top four with the Winnipeg Jets. Do you think you could take that sixth round draft pick and find another general manager who would trade him a useful top six defenseman?
So that’s trading a third and fourth, getting a sixth back and also shelling his own cap situation in consecutive years while getting almost no production from a heavily offensively favored forward last season and almost no production from that forward this year. If he can recoup a third for Conor alone at this deadline I would be shocked. So again over the course of three summers he turned two draft picks into two lower draft picks and less Space with no tangible improvement to his roster. He could have signed AHL players for Sheary’s minutes and gotten similar production, not giving up that other pick and probably had Nate in his lineup to get a more robust return (like the third he used to acquire him).
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