Jason Botterill Discussion Part 5
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jc17
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When was the last time someone asked him about the analytics side of things?
Its clear that the numbers are either being ignored, or they are focusing on things that are irrelevant to winning hockey games. That's an area where something has to give. Either start listening to the guy who is in charge of it or upgrade the department.
Its clear that the numbers are either being ignored, or they are focusing on things that are irrelevant to winning hockey games. That's an area where something has to give. Either start listening to the guy who is in charge of it or upgrade the department.
I wasn’t even that excited during last season’s winning streak because they weren’t playing well. It was still smoke and mirrors. I’d say the night they won the lottery to pick Dahlin is the last time I felt hope for this team and life in general.
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Botterill has lots of "dialogues" and "conversations" with the Pegulas. Why? Seems like a total waste of our GM's time.
Murray's aloof, cocksure attitude must have really soured on the Pegulas, who went the complete opposite direction hiring the smooth talking and apparently quite communicative Jason Botterill. They brag of having been intimately involved in the hiring Botterill after having zero input in the Murray hire. Not sure if that's bragging material.
It's like everything Terry Pegula learned as a businessman has gone out the window in the way he operates the Sabres. The Pegulas seem to prioritize a certain prudish morality and loyalty over raw competence. They are, and always have been, their own worst enemy at operating a successful NHL franchise.
Time for ownership to step aside and hand the reigns of this storied franchise over to professionals who understand the sport. They might own the franchise, but it's our f***ing team, so enough already. Sit tight in Boca, hammer your checks, but get out of the way.
Murray's aloof, cocksure attitude must have really soured on the Pegulas, who went the complete opposite direction hiring the smooth talking and apparently quite communicative Jason Botterill. They brag of having been intimately involved in the hiring Botterill after having zero input in the Murray hire. Not sure if that's bragging material.
It's like everything Terry Pegula learned as a businessman has gone out the window in the way he operates the Sabres. The Pegulas seem to prioritize a certain prudish morality and loyalty over raw competence. They are, and always have been, their own worst enemy at operating a successful NHL franchise.
Time for ownership to step aside and hand the reigns of this storied franchise over to professionals who understand the sport. They might own the franchise, but it's our f***ing team, so enough already. Sit tight in Boca, hammer your checks, but get out of the way.
The Red Helmet
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I think the way forward is to give Botterill one more year providing he is punished by being flogged in Niagara Square. If he doesn't make the playoffs next season, then off with his head and onto a spike outside the KeyBank Center.
sabremike
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Bobby Mac being a stooge for Hawkey Canada Golden Boy on NBCSN made me want to turn my TV off ala Elvis. Seriously it just made me sick.
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sabremike
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Bob MacKenzie did a segment talking about Botts that basically sounded like it was scripted by the Pegula's PR Staff. "He's only been on the job for 3 years" "They've got to be patient, they can't keep cycling through people" "The Pegulas really care".
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There's a lot of people that feel that way. It doesn't make them idiots or shills for the Pegulas.
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If the stipulation is he has to make the playoffs then just fire him now. This roster isn’t close and he’d mortgage what little futures they have to save himself thus setting it back even further.
He’s bad. There are plenty of other qualified people.
Two years he’s entered the season without a plan for 2C. Effectively choosing each year to doom the middle six to playing over their heads and failing.
Bye.
BuffaloGooner
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More and more I just want a GM with experience. Give me Shero for all I care. We haven’t hired a GM with previous experience since....ever?
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Sure, it could be something Bobby mac truly felt and just wanted to say without any outside prompting...
But would you put money on that or that he got a call from Botts' agent or someone connected with the team to try and throw up some positive coverage.
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I disagree with this. If the guy you hired, that's been on the job for 3 years and hasn't really gotten the team any closer to the playoffs (Sabres on pace for about 83 points, only 5 more than the year before Botts took over), then he's probably not the man for the job. I disagree with keeping someone around and hoping he'll get better in time, that's a pretty big gamble. If JB screws up this off-season, it could have long lasting effects for the franchise and we could be looking at a Bills style playoff drought. He's had 3 years and he's made far more bad moves than good ones, its time to cut the cord.
Most times I read about Kim Pegula, the appointed "President for life," I get a chill running up my spine. I was reading that in recent NHL meetings, she was going around to other teams asking for advice on how to run her own organization. Does anybody think that any other teams want to help our team get better? So pathetic!
Then I read that she got appointed, with Gary Bettman as co-chair to spearhead an NHL committee overseeing diversity and inclusion. A place to give safehaven to whistleblowers.
It makes me retch that this woman is in charge of our organization, going around begging for advice and then being put in charge of a BS PC committee when she doesn't know what the hell she's doing running her own organization.
She and her husband Terry are clearly in the dark!
Then I read that she got appointed, with Gary Bettman as co-chair to spearhead an NHL committee overseeing diversity and inclusion. A place to give safehaven to whistleblowers.
It makes me retch that this woman is in charge of our organization, going around begging for advice and then being put in charge of a BS PC committee when she doesn't know what the hell she's doing running her own organization.
She and her husband Terry are clearly in the dark!
It's clear that Bott's plan revolves around this offseason given the amount of cap coming off the books & presumed turnaround of personnel which will likely go with it.
In this age of accessibility everyone wants him to be more vocal but to me it's obvious.
His moves in isolation (aside from the one obvious exception) have been done with solid reason.
This is the offseason he needs to be judged by. If the team is no better next season - this is the time to fire him if you have to.
There is no patience in life (let alone in sport) any more. This is to the detriment of most people.
Bott's was certainly not my choice for the job when he got it - but since he did get it - he needs to be given time.
The alternative idea of canning every GM every couple of years because they don't deliver instant success - IS one sure fire way to extend the drought for years to come.
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OkimLom
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Imagine going to your fanbase, after you fired a GM and told the fanbase we're not on the right path with this guy and this was the right move after he produced seasons of 81 and 78 points after tanking for two years, getting 52 and 54 points; and having to come to them 3 years later and tell them the guy you hired after all that, and we're only on pace for 2 points better than the guy we previously fired but we're confident in them that they are the answer.
Buffaloed
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The point is to quit acting like this is grammar school and treat other peoples opinions with respect. If people want to disagree fine, but immediately accusing someone of having an ulterior motive doesn't promote intelligent discussion.
EmeraldCitySabre
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Normally I'd agree that you should give a GM more time, but if 3 years go by and the GM has had plenty of opportunities to make sensible moves to make the roster better and trim some fat, but keeps making poor moves, and his drafting has been highly questionable, then what makes you think he's going to suddenly make great moves this off-season or in the future?
Based on where they are in the standings, the time for Buffalo to make that move may have been well earlier than now. Frolik as a way to help fix the PK is one thing, but it can't be the only thing he does. And the value side... I suppose he's viewing moving up in the 4th round from their current pick to the Sharks' pick as a win, but the cap implications based on what other teams are doing around taking on cap dumps doesn't look great.
Is there a single move that would push this team to a .667 winning percentage down the stretch? That's a tall order.
I'm of three minds on the issue:
First, "cycling through people" only got them in this mess to the extent that the current GM undid all the moves the prior GM made and got nothing in return. So, GM#1 gives up a lot of assets to bring in good players. GM#2 then gets rid of those good players and gets nothing of value in return. Hence, team remains in the exact same position. So, "cycling through people every 3 years" can be bad. In this case, it was.
Second, it doesn't necessarily *have to* be bad. If you brought in a person who was better at doing the job, they might not have made those mistakes. And, the flip side of it is that continuity isn't automatically good. See, e.g., the Sabres track record of drafting low ceiling defensemen - that's coming from somewhere inside the organization, and that continuity is bad.
Third, f*** it. Make a change, or don't, who cares anymore. They're the Pittsburgh Pirates of the NHL.
So a female president of a sports team, who is also isn't of a Northern European decent, seems like an ideal candidate for someone to work on a team for diversity and inclusion in the sport.
As for the bolded/underlined, if people did things that were racist/sexist/homophobic, that needs to come to light and those folks like Aliu need to be heard. The guy got the "difficult" tab and in an old-boys network like the NHL, that will dog someone forever even if it was warranted based on how he justifiably chafed at how he was treated.
Fully agree.
Add in that this summer is a relatively weak UFA class (aren't they all?) and Buffalo is both not a destination and the GM has a habit of pricing his signees at the higher end of market value, it seems strange to think they wouldn't have to bid a premium for UFA services. Similarly, Bott's trade acquisitions have not been hamstringing the team again for his entire tenure. There is no reason to trust him with that cap space or the implications of what it will do to the team going forward.
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