Doug Prishpreed
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No need to keep presenting evidence after a guilty verdict. The jury has gone home, the courtroom is empty. The whole world is on the same page, Buffalo has an awful GM.
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No need to keep presenting evidence after a guilty verdict. The jury has gone home, the courtroom is empty. The whole world is on the same page, Buffalo has an awful GM.
[October] Can't make a trade because we're winning.
[November] Can't make a trade because we're losing.
[November] Can't make a trade because we're losing.
[October] Can't make a trade because we're winning.
[November] Can't make a trade because we're losing.
Late Summer, can’t make a trade because maybe the new coach is a miracle worker. Early summer? Can’t make a trade because....?
Trade deadline... can’t make a trade because of the losing. Last December... can’t make a trade because we were wining!
TalkingProuder
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Maybe they can't make a trade because no one wants their poorly performing players?
Maybe he’s afraid of spending draft capital to dig out from underneath a bad player contracts.
This would be a disaster. It would take a ransom to put Okposo off on someone unless he's retiring.
Royisgone
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Not sure why people are surprised things don't work out when the Pegulas continue to use their major league sports teams as a developmental training ground for first time GMs and head coaches.
If Toronto fires Babcock, and it sounds like that is possible, we should immediately throw the world at him, and give him whatever he wants. He can be GM and HC at the same time. whatever.
Not saying that would work. Not even sure he'd come here. In fact, Terry Pegula might hate the guy and never offer him a job b/c he feels Babcock played him before he went to Toronto.
But it's worth a shot.
Now if only we could get TO to fire the guy.
If Toronto fires Babcock, and it sounds like that is possible, we should immediately throw the world at him, and give him whatever he wants. He can be GM and HC at the same time. whatever.
Not saying that would work. Not even sure he'd come here. In fact, Terry Pegula might hate the guy and never offer him a job b/c he feels Babcock played him before he went to Toronto.
But it's worth a shot.
Now if only we could get TO to fire the guy.
Not talking about Okposo. Think Sobotka with a mid-round pick is akin to the Namestnekov deal. It is possible. Cap space finds a way...for well-run teams.
BuzzKillington90
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No. Babcock isn't what this team needs. They seem to have a hard enough time giving a #%$^ with a coach who is actively trying to help them, get My-way-or-highway Babcock in here and now you have more Ryan O'Reilly and Nathan Beaulieu type quotes.
Krueger isn't the problem right now. Botterill is.
I guess. He's off at the end of the season anyway.... Maybe this is a game changer in way that I don't quite understand.
moving players like Vlad and Marco and not acquiring somebody like Jimmy? Having the freedom to make an acquisition during the season? Seems pretty self-evident.
What are they trading away that's suddenly worth good players? Scandella, and Bogo are at best 3rd round picks; maybe Scandella, if he stays hot, or Miller get a 2nd. Teams aren't trading roster forwards (that Buffalo would want) for expiring UFA defensemen. If Buffalo wants to deal Pilut, Joker or Montour, yeah maybe they'll get something back. I don't hear a lot of people putting those three players on the block though. Risto, god only knows what the market for him is like, maybe someone takes him on but you're gonna get a project or a draft pick back.
As much as everyone loves LOG they're not valuable trade assets. Sheary, Vesey, Sobotka, ERod, Okposo are worth nothing. MoJo could probably fetch a nice pick or prospect, but that's not helping. Reinhart and Eichel aren't moving, and I doubt Skinner would/could move.
The worst thing; even worse than punting this season, that could happen is they get pushed into trading their 1st this year or next.
Shuffle out parts for picks, shuffle picks out for parts has been the way of things in the NHL for a long time. It’s exactly the way to try to make the team better. Caveat being Botterill’s inability to acquire forwards.
Buffaloed
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I think he's an example of someone that's book smart that lacks street smarts. He's a paint by numbers guy that can't adapt to a changing landscape.
It's game 21 very few teams are going to outright pull the chute at this point by trading roster players for mediocre draft picks. Even fewer will trade the ones you want. Its choose from NJ, OTT, DET, MIN, LAK. Outside of those 6 everyone else is still in it.
That's why the point originally if you go back to what I posted, is to have made those deals in June when teams had cap space.
Zman5778
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What? Why? NO.
The last half of last year and the first part of this year, Babcock has more or less shown that the game has passed him by. He seems incapable of connecting with Matthews, Nylander and Marner. Babcock seems absolutely set in his ways and unwilling to let the Leafs do what they would (in theory) do best. They're a team made for puck possession a la the Pens a few years ago. Can't be scored on if the puck is always on your stick.
Considering what Toronto paid to dump Marleau you'd have been ok with a 2nd + 3rd or thereabouts to dump Sobotka? I get that you're frustrated that they're going to miss the playoffs again, but this team isn't and wasn't very good; while in a very competitive division.
They have 3 value contracts: Mojo, Joker and Dahlin. Frankly they're not really poised for success anytime soon.
Braun, a comparable defenseman to Scandella went for multiple picks.
Namestnikov went for a 4th and the Sens made a number of higher cap than actual salary deals which could ballpark value on moving on Sobotka.
I see your idea that they should just punt creeping into your comments about not being successful anytime soon.
If they can find no way to make any marginal roster improvements - and you have argued at length regarding my comments that they fail repeatedly to make incremental improvements anywhere in the roster so rather than have the same circular logic with someone who seems content with the state of the GM and team wasting our time and attention (and in some cases money), I will bid you good day.Braun, a comparable defenseman to Scandella went for multiple picks.
Namestnikov went for a 4th and the Sens made a number of higher cap than actual salary deals which could ballpark value on moving on Sobotka.
I see your idea that they should just punt creeping into your comments about not being successful anytime soon.
Yeah I'm super happy with the team, that's what I said. I don't think this team is good enough to blow resources on short term solutions. If it takes a better GM to not do that then get rid of Botts. I'm pretty sure he's going to spend his 1st on a shitty solution and it's going to just set the team back. But hey at least everyone will have fun for a moment with a new forward.
I agree with all your posts here. The only trade that gets something that would change how this season goes (at all), would be a Ristolainen, Montour, Pilut, and maybe adding high draft picks. If adding picks, that is just more swinging for now and missing for later. This franchise simply can't afford to lose high draft picks when it still needs quality depth AND some high end talent.
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