Jason Botterill Discussion 3

[Buffalo Norsemen]

If he actually things will get better with what he has after 3 years he needs to go back to doing salary cap work in Pittsburgh with his red stapler.

 

[Ace]

If he doesn’t want to make moves he should be fired.

If he is incapable of making moves he should be fired.

If he makes bad moves he should be fired.

Only two paths forward. Do something and get it right. Or get gone.

 

[sabremike]

2 and a quarter seasons in and the result is that we are a 2 point ATM. To quote Mike Commodore: Jason, #PACKYOURSH*T

 

[Moskau]

He was about to trade Scandella and he got hurt.

He was about to trade for Bennett and he got hurt.

These are the excuses I expect Friedman to have for him in 2 weeks.

 

[mechaworm]

Tough to judge a GM by what they don't do. Especially early in their tenure. So the first year was a write off for me.

The fireable offense was the ROR trade. You couldn't say that at the time, apparently, but now most people respect that perspective. You can't always control the moves that are available to you, but sometimes you get a clear view of stupidity, and that was it. He's just continually failed to redeem himself for it.

I feel like whatever, though. I don't expect there to be accountability, and if there is, I don't expect Pegula is fit to hire a smart hockey person. He gave Lafontaine a job based on a fishing trip, he loudly committed to Darcy and Lindy before he ever worked with them only to buckle because the fans started booing. He's a feel good playboy billionaire who thought his good feels and cash would win cups. He's no better positioned now to lead the franchise. He'll probably sell one day when he gets sufficiently disillusioned.

 

[joshjull]

I get we hate the leafs, and I do too, but the "failures" of those guys would be like an epic victory for the Sabres at this point.

It will be interesting to see how Dubas does with a good team he pretty much inherited. He started putting his stamp on it this past offseason and now with the coaching change.

 

[sabremike]

Guys I have great news: we have reached the top of the Insanely Stupid NHL GM Trade allocation list. The Johnny Hockey for Risto trade will be announced in the morning!

 

[Ace]

I had this terrible feeling that Botterill’s plan was to wait out all these contracts and now i hope it bites him in the ass and he gets let go. Bringing everyone back was a level of irresponsible I don’t even have a comparison for. It is a fireable offense.

He did nothing as they imploded last year.

Then. He. Retained. Almost. Everyone.

It’s indefensible and unbelievable.

 

[FloridaSabresFan]

I had this terrible feeling that Botterill’s plan was to wait out all these contracts and now i hope it bites him in the ass and he gets let go. Bringing everyone back was a level of irresponsible I don’t even have a comparison for. It is a fireable offense.

He did nothing as they imploded last year.

Then. He. Retained. Almost. Everyone.

It’s indefensible and unbelievable.

If his plan is to wait out the contracts then you can bet the Pegulas are behind him. The NHL recommended Botts and Botts has been preaching patience. I don't think he is on the hot seat at all.

 

[sabrebuild]

It will be interesting to see how Dubas does with a good team he pretty much inherited. He started putting his stamp on it this past offseason and now with the coaching change.

I think landing Tavares was a great move. He should have signed Matthews and Marner a year a head at the rumored prices, but ehh most on here say overpaying your top guys is no biggie.

Trading Kadri for a poor defensive dman seems questionable.

His ability to get his defense in order will probably decide how people talk about him. I like Sandin and Lilgren, he might just need to get one top 4 guy.

Can I interest Dubie in a slightly used Risto for a soft Nylander?

 

[CrazyPsycho]

If his plan is to wait out the contracts then you can bet the Pegulas are behind him. The NHL recommended Botts and Botts has been preaching patience. I don't think he is on the hot seat at all.

I dont think the fans are gonna give them much choice, are the Pegulas gonna stand for half empty rinks in January if they dont show something soon?

 

[Buffaloed]

The NHL recommended Botts and Botts has been preaching patience.

Can you provide a link for this? As far as I know the NHL recommended the Sabres hire an established GM. Botterill was recommended by Jim Rutherford.

 

[joshjull]

I think landing Tavares was a great move. He should have signed Matthews and Marner a year a head at the rumored prices, but ehh most on here say overpaying your top guys is no biggie.

Trading Kadri for a poor defensive dman seems questionable.

His ability to get his defense in order will probably decide how people talk about him. I like Sandin and Lilgren, he might just need to get one top 4 guy.

Can I interest Dubie in a slightly used Risto for a soft Nylander?

How did I forget about Tavares?

 

[joshjull]

I dont think the fans are gonna give them much choice, are the Pegulas gonna stand for half empty rinks in January if they dont show something soon?

Probably?

 

[sabremike]

How did I forget about Tavares?

 

[Dubi Doo]

He's got to be on the hot seat, right? Pretty much all of his acquisitions at forward outside of Johansson and Skinner have failed miserably.

 

[Dreakon13]

He's got to be on the hot seat, right? Pretty much all of his acquisitions at forward outside of Vesey and Skinner have failed miserably.

Doubt anyone would put Vesey in the "success" category. Though I'm sure you only included him in some sort of "he hasn't failed because no one expected him to be good in the first place" kinda way.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Doubt anyone would put Vesey in the "success" category. Though I'm sure you only included him in some sort of "he hasn't failed because no one expected him to be good in the first place" kinda way.

Holy shit! I meant Johansson. My brain at 6AM works in wonderous ways, haha

 

[Dreakon13]

Holy ****! I meant Johansson. My brain at 6AM works in wonderous ways, haha

Well, either my theory or you said the wrong name. Agree though.

 

[Yatzhee]

Tough to judge a GM by what they don't do. Especially early in their tenure. So the first year was a write off for me.

The fireable offense was the ROR trade. You couldn't say that at the time, apparently, but now most people respect that perspective. You can't always control the moves that are available to you, but sometimes you get a clear view of stupidity, and that was it. He's just continually failed to redeem himself for it.

I feel like whatever, though. I don't expect there to be accountability, and if there is, I don't expect Pegula is fit to hire a smart hockey person. He gave Lafontaine a job based on a fishing trip, he loudly committed to Darcy and Lindy before he ever worked with them only to buckle because the fans started booing. He's a feel good playboy billionaire who thought his good feels and cash would win cups. He's no better positioned now to lead the franchise. He'll probably sell one day when he gets sufficiently disillusioned.

He's already publicly stated multiple times his daughter will own the Sabres when he steps aside. She lives locally and is raising her family here in WNY, has for years.

 

[kirby11]

I had this terrible feeling that Botterill’s plan was to wait out all these contracts and now i hope it bites him in the ass and he gets let go. Bringing everyone back was a level of irresponsible I don’t even have a comparison for. It is a fireable offense.

He did nothing as they imploded last year.

Then. He. Retained. Almost. Everyone.

It’s indefensible and unbelievable.

If Jeff Skinner hadn't grown up in Toronto and wanted to play near his hometown, Botts would have acquired -2 top six forwards (losing Kane/RoR, bringing none in) over 3 years as GM.

And we have zero offensive potential besides Cozens in the pipeline, but hey, it's great that we used a late first to take a low-ceiling PMD and some second round picks to draft defensive defensemen who will top out as 3rd pairing guys if they even make it to the show at all.

And we're on the verge of pissing away Dahlin's ELC and most likely frustrating the hell out of our best players.

This idiot is running the team into the ****ing ground

 

[mechaworm]

He's already publicly stated multiple times his daughter will own the Sabres when he steps aside. She lives locally and is raising her family here in WNY, has for years.

Ffffffff ---

 

[sabremike]

If Jeff Skinner hadn't grown up in Toronto and wanted to play near his hometown, Botts would have acquired -2 top six forwards (losing Kane/RoR, bringing none in) over 3 years as GM.

And we have zero offensive potential besides Cozens in the pipeline, but hey, it's great that we used a late first to take a low-ceiling PMD and some second round picks to draft defensive defensemen who will top out as 3rd pairing guys if they even make it to the show at all.

And we're on the verge of pissing away Dahlin's ELC and most likely frustrating the hell out of our best players.

This idiot is running the team into the ****ing ground

There's one tiny glitch in the wait out the contracts plan: so we wait out those contracts and have all that cap space. Great! So we contact good ufa and ask if he's interested and he breaks up laughing and says " You guys are the toilet of pro hockey, you couldn't pay me enough to sign with you" and hangs up the phone. Or he decides to lead us on and give him a huge offer, which he promptly uses to get the best deal from a team he actually wants to go to. OK but what about a trade? So we try to acquire a big name player only to be informed "Sorry, you guys are on my No Trade List so bugger off". There is a price to be paid for stupidity. Oh, and in a few more seasons of missing the playoffs we will end up getting an extra $10 million in cap space when Jack asks out and exactly ZERO people in hockey blame him for doing so.

 

[5 Minute Major]

It doesn't matter how you reached a destination. What matters is arriving at the destination.

Third year. No signs of improvement.

Why is this guy getting any more time?

 

[debaser66]

I heard the earth's trajectory seems about right to fire someone into the sun