Jason Botterill Discussion 3

[Gordo21]

If you're absolutely determined to sell an asset low, I'm not exactly sure what you're expecting.

I'd wait a year and get rid of one or two of the other D personally.

 

[Chainshot]

Yesterdays trade pretty much guarantees a Risto departure, no? Feel like I need to get my popcorn ready and see what Botts can get for him

Risto or Bogosian seem likely to shuffle out. Return is pretty much assured to be better for Rasmus.

 

[joshjull]

Risto or Bogosian seem likely to shuffle out. Return is pretty much assured to be better for Rasmus.

I’d be pleasantly blown away if Bogo went out the door. But I just don’t see him leaving until at least the deadline with his injury and how much Jack credited him with helping during the first year of his captaincy.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Are the reports that Buffalo turned down Risto for Hall to be believed?

 

[Jim Bob]

Are the reports that Buffalo turned down Risto for Hall to be believed?

Mirtle is a good source of info IMO.

 

[Buffaloed]

Looks like some of you got lost on your way to the Tim Murray threads. The topic of this thread is Jason Botterill Discussion. Play stay on topic.

Did Tim Murray destroy our rebuild?

Joe DiBiase - Sabres Still Paying for the Sins of Tim Murray

 

[fingerpainter]

Man, these boards seem to hate Risto. To most people, he's got less value than Tyler Myers had. Lol. Not worth discussing a Risto trade with any seriousness here anymore.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

Excluding the minor/depth trades and late round picks and Kane's had-to-be-made rental trade:

Montour, Miller, Skinner, Jokiharju, Thompson

for

Guhle, Pu, O'Reilly, Nylander, 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd

IMO realistic value:
Miller + Jokiharju = Nylander + 2020 3rd + Guhle + 2019 2nd

...leaves Montour+Skinner+Thompson for ROR+Pu.... yes please to that one considering how much of a non-factor Pu is.

 

[Royal Thunder]

Excluding the minor/depth trades and late round picks and Kane's had-to-be-made rental trade:

Montour, Miller, Skinner, Jokiharju, Thompson

for

Guhle, Pu, O'Reilly, Nylander, 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd

You ask me whether I do this today? I do this any ****ing day.

To be fair Montour was acquired with the pick from the Kane trade. Albeit the ROR trade did make it more palatable for us to trade that pick.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

To be fair Montour was acquired with the pick from the Kane trade. Albeit the ROR trade did make it more palatable for us to trade that pick.

That was like what 2 picks difference? OK, throw in another 4th round pick or something, which I would count as non-factor overall. Still bargain overall.

The depth/minor trades have done nothing but the overall for the major trades, is f*** yeah for me overall.

 

[Chainshot]

Next up, ditching the bad players he still has on NHL contracts starting with Vlad and Marco.

 

[Club]

#BelieveInBotts

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Next up, ditching the bad players he still has on NHL contracts starting with Vlad and Marco.

I'm pleasantly surprised he at least hasn't added more Sobotkas and Hunwicks so far this off season.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I'm pleasantly surprised he at least hasn't added more Sobotkas and Hunwicks so far this off season.

Even the sun is only so big.....

 

[Buffaloed]

Even the sun is only so big.....

Didn't you get the memo? There's a new sun in town.

 

[Chainshot]

Didn't you get the memo? There's a new sun in town.

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That is not to scale. Botts head is larger.

 

[DolanPlsGoSabres]

Didn't you get the memo? There's a new sun in town.

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Oh, I get it now. Doug Armstrong shot Sobotka into the sun, so that's why we're eternally stuck with him.

 

[truthbluth]

Excluding the minor/depth trades and late round picks and Kane's had-to-be-made rental trade:

Montour, Miller, Skinner, Jokiharju, Thompson

for

Guhle, Pu, O'Reilly, Nylander, 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd

IMO realistic value:
Miller + Jokiharju = Nylander + 2020 3rd + Guhle + 2019 2nd

...leaves Montour+Skinner+Thompson for ROR+Pu.... yes please to that one considering how much of a non-factor Pu is.

This is some goofball logic here. Not unlike the old trope...
Between me and Bill Gates, our combined net worth is over $100 Billion!

The trades, each of them, can and should be evaluated in isolation when determining the craft of the architect of the trade. Evaluating the roster building as a whole can look at multiple trades, but must also include terrible FA acquisitions, as well as FA’s lost.

Arbitrarily combining trades to put a shine on that time Armstrong stole Botts’ lunch money is bizarroland nonsense.

 

[Paxon]

Excluding the minor/depth trades and late round picks and Kane's had-to-be-made rental trade:

Montour, Miller, Skinner, Jokiharju, Thompson

for

Guhle, Pu, O'Reilly, Nylander, 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd

IMO realistic value:
Miller + Jokiharju = Nylander + 2020 3rd + Guhle + 2019 2nd

...leaves Montour+Skinner+Thompson for ROR+Pu.... yes please to that one considering how much of a non-factor Pu is.

 

[OkimLom]

Excluding the minor/depth trades and late round picks and Kane's had-to-be-made rental trade:

Montour, Miller, Skinner, Jokiharju, Thompson

for

Guhle, Pu, O'Reilly, Nylander, 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd

IMO realistic value:
Miller + Jokiharju = Nylander + 2020 3rd + Guhle + 2019 2nd

...leaves Montour+Skinner+Thompson for ROR+Pu.... yes please to that one considering how much of a non-factor Pu is.

His ability to bring in talent is okay, his ability to construct a competitive team is horrible. He has earned that participation trophy for GMs.

 

[old kummelweck]

I like what Botts has done so far this off-season but maybe the hardcore supporters should remember how much back-patting was being done during the winning streak last year, and remember how things turned out after that and perhaps exercise just a tad more restraint with the victory laps.

In general we've seen lots of excitement over Botterill's summer moves (outside of the ROR summer) only to hate them on the other end of the season.

That said, this has been a banner couple of weeks with some of his best looking moves in a long time. If you start to track his roster changes after the ROR trade, he's made some really shrewd trades and UFA signings.

 

[old kummelweck]

Yesterdays trade pretty much guarantees a Risto departure, no? Feel like I need to get my popcorn ready and see what Botts can get for him

Personally, I think he'll stick around until Bogo and/or Pilut get healthy.

 

[KeyserSoze81]

Personally, I think he'll stick around until Bogo and/or Pilut get healthy.

Shut the rumor mill down, Risto's job is safe! Onto dreaming about getting our 8th and final left winger.

 

[Club]

Shut the rumor mill down, Risto's job is safe! Onto dreaming about getting our 8th and final left winger.

And 2nd line center

 

[joshjull]