Jared Bednar Discussion

[Foppa2118]

The Oilers are doing just fine playing for the rape GM Stan Bowman.

Winning forgives all. People, right or wrong, move on.

For some....and it doesn't make it right. A lot of people can rationalize supporting someone who they know is a horrible person, that has done horrible things, if they think it benefits them personally somehow.

Hockey culture isn't a great barometer for morality either. That culture is the reason the whole incident in Chicago almost got swept completely under the rug to begin with. Players don't want to rock the boat or upset management.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

For some....and it doesn't make it right. A lot of people can rationalize supporting someone who they know is a horrible person, that has done horrible things, if they think it benefits them personally somehow.

Hockey culture isn't a great barometer for morality either. That culture is the reason the whole incident in Chicago almost got swept completely under the rug to begin with. Players don't want to rock the boat or upset management.

Some people also deserve and should be given second chances... but many people have different thresholds for where/when that should happen.

Not being argumentative here buddy...just point out why there will never be consensus on these types of things.

 

[Foppa2118]

Some people also deserve and should be given second chances... but many people have different thresholds for where/when that should happen.

Not being argumentative here buddy...just point out why there will never be consensus on these types of things.

I agree people should be given second chances.

But you can be given a second chance to redeem yourself as a human, without being given the same job, with the same responsibilities, before you've done anything publicly to actually redeem yourself.

Feels like the only thing Bowman and Q would have done so far to redeem themselves, is to let a few years pass for it to blow over, offer remorse privately to Bettman, which may or may not be genuine, and beg him to let them be re-instated. That's being given a second chance without earning it.

 

[wayninja]

Fire Bednar, these embarrassing wins are too much

 

[Pokecheque]

I agree people should be given second chances.

But you can be given a second chance to redeem yourself as a human, without being given the same job, with the same responsibilities, before you've done anything publicly to actually redeem yourself.

Feels like the only thing Bowman and Q would have done so far to redeem themselves, is to let a few years pass for it to blow over, offer remorse privately to Bettman, which may or may not be genuine, and beg him to let them be re-instated. That's being given a second chance without earning it.

Yeah, whatever "steps" they've taken to rehabilitate themselves are, like many people in these sorts of situations, intentionally vague, or just flat-out nonexistent.

I promise that Bettman never has, and never will care one iota about what those guys did. He likely cares even less about the perpetrator himself. He and Daly were way, WAY more upset at Rick Westhead for revealing the story, to the point where at the presser following the story's release, they refused to take questions from him, THE REPORTER WHO BROKE THE F***ING STORY, like a couple of goddamned pouting children. It wasn't until Pierre LeBrun forced their hand by deferring to Westhead that he finally got a chance to ask a question.

The only thing Bettman ever cares about is how such things affect league image and revenue, and what the quickest path is toward getting people to forget about it.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Yeah, whatever "steps" they've taken to rehabilitate themselves are, like many people in these sorts of situations, intentionally vague, or just flat-out nonexistent.

I promise that Bettman never has, and never will care one iota about what those guys did. He likely cares even less about the perpetrator himself. He and Daly were way, WAY more upset at Rick Westhead for revealing the story, to the point where at the presser following the story's release, they refused to take questions from him, THE REPORTER WHO BROKE THE F***ING STORY, like a couple of goddamned pouting children. It wasn't until Pierre LeBrun forced their hand by deferring to Westhead that he finally got a chance to ask a question.

The only thing Bettman ever cares about is how such things affect league image and revenue, and what the quickest path is toward getting people to forget about it.

It's a shame, but Bettman works for the owners, not the league.

It would be nice if Commissioner of the NHL actually worked for the league and the betterment of the league, but in all seriousness, Bettman's job is to increase the owners bottom line.

 

[Pokecheque]

It's a shame, but Bettman works for the owners, not the league.

It would be nice if president of the NHL actually worked for the league and the betterment of the league, but in all seriousness, Bettman's job is to increase the owners bottom line.

I'm not even sure that's his primary goal. I mean, it's obviously one of them, but not the biggest one, because if his job was just to make the league money, then I'd say he's pretty shitty at his job. Yes, the league's revenues have increased substantially during his tenure, but nowhere near the rise of other professional sports in North America.

I'd say his biggest goal is to keep hockey a good ol' boys club without sacrificing too many profits, with his secondary goal of doing everything possible fill the NHL ranks with as many Harvard Law grads as he possibly can. If he had the power to hold HRR hostage until a team hired Peter Chiarelli as GM, he'd do it.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I'm not even sure that's his primary goal. I mean, it's obviously one of them, but not the biggest one, because if his job was just to make the league money, then I'd say he's pretty shitty at his job. Yes, the league's revenues have increased substantially during his tenure, but nowhere near the rise of other professional sports in North America.

I'd say his biggest goal is to keep hockey a good ol' boys club without sacrificing too many profits, with his secondary goal of doing everything possible fill the NHL ranks with as many Harvard Law grads as he possibly can. If he had the power to hold HRR hostage until a team hired Peter Chiarelli as GM, he'd do it.

Pretty sure there's a certain poster around here that would love another crack at the can.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Save us, Coach Q.

This team has quit on the coach. He couldn’t motivate them to get laid on prom night. Night after night of zero effort.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Save us, Coach Q.

This team has quit on the coach. He couldn’t motivate them to get laid on prom night. Night after night of zero effort.

I hate to say it but, I think it's time. Something has to give, either a major player trade or the coach. This team needs a little shakeup like PL would do. Losing has to have consequences.

 

[GirardIsStupid]

It's definitely time for a new coach.

 

[GirardIsStupid]

I agree people should be given second chances.

But you can be given a second chance to redeem yourself as a human, without being given the same job, with the same responsibilities, before you've done anything publicly to actually redeem yourself.

Feels like the only thing Bowman and Q would have done so far to redeem themselves, is to let a few years pass for it to blow over, offer remorse privately to Bettman, which may or may not be genuine, and beg him to let them be re-instated. That's being given a second chance without earning it.

The incoming US President and second best footballer of all time are no better and are still revered. The days of holding these folks accountable are long gone. Just get Quenneville and hope he won't repeat similar mistakes.

 

[Foppa2118]

The incoming US President and second best footballer of all time are no better and are still revered. The days of holding these folks accountable are long gone. Just get Quenneville and hope he won't repeat similar mistakes.

Revered by some. Many feel the opposite. Giving in to immorality is not the answer. We can't normalize some things.

 

[Jasenr]

I have zero feeling that just changing the head coach would fix the problem of the Avs not being able to compete against Winnipeg, Vegas, etc.

The teams is built to play the game like Bednar wants it to be played.

Whoever comes to coach must play the game with style these player can execute it.

Our defenders cant magically grow a pair to be defensive studs since they are puck moving midgets.

Our forward depth have the same problem if you wanna start to go with dump and chase.

This teams is basically locked to play bedsy style so the new coach must play a variation of it. Maybe he can "have the room" but if it aint looking better after couple games the what.

If they change to drastically different stule of coach we propably need to spend atleast a year to change the roster on top of that.

Just have a new guy to handle powerplay since its so freaking awful.

 

[Vaslof]

Ah I see we lost a game

 

[The Pwnerer]

We just don't have the personnel to run Bednar's system anymore. Either he has to adjust it or we have to bring a new leader to the group. Mittelstadt is mixing oil with water. Playing Middleton and De Haan when you have a system that focuses on offense from defense and moving the puck quickly in transition just does not work with these two. Zadorov was hated by Bednar for a reason.

That cup run spoiled us because we had 3 pairings that were elite at that aspect. It was quick puck retrieval, crispy outlet passes to spring the rush and relentless jumping the rush to create offense. That's all gone now.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

"lost the room"

This same shit after every loss.

 

[The Abusement Park]

We just don't have the personnel to run Bednar's system anymore. Either he has to adjust it or we have to try something different. Mittelstadt is mixing oil with water. Playing Middleton and De Haan when you have a system that focuses on offense from defense and moving the puck quickly in transition just does not work with these two. Zadorov was hated by Bednar for a reason.

That cup run spoiled us because we had 3 pairings that were elite at that aspect. It was quick puck retrieval, crispy outlet passes to spring the rush and relentless jumping the rush to create offense. That's all gone now.

People don’t want to hear this… but the team is just bad. Mack, Mikko, Makar, and Blackwood can only carry the team so much.

Will obviously be improved if healthy. But the keyword there is if obviously.

 

[Bender]

I don't think Bednar should be fired per say - but I DO think that the Power Play performance of the team is 100% unacceptable and that has to fall on someone.

I've seen ZERO CHANGES to how the Avs play on the Power Play since we've gone from Top-5 in the league to 17th. You cannot have that. Your game plan cannot be - well just execute better. You HAVE to give your players a different setup because every team in the league knows what you're trying to do on the PP and it's become just too easy to kill.

These stupid zone entries along the boards where there's a small 5 foot pass and then a behind the back pass to the point is OBVIOUS and easily anticipated.

There has to be a better scheme than - trying to establishing possession in the opposition zone and then once that's done make passes until you can get it back to the point so Mack, Makar and Rantanen can keep passing in the umbrella until a shooting lane comes up. This is all we've seen FOR YEARS. Nothing else exists, huh bennett??

 

[ABasin]

"lost the room"

This same shit after every loss.

The concern with that stat, is that of the 14 wins since 12/1, only 4 have come against teams currently in playoff position. And a number of those wins were squarely on the goaltender's shoulders.

I get that the schedule is the schedule. And the points are definitely nice. But over that timeframe, the team has played quite a bit of uninspired hockey.

They've played 3 of their last 4 games against teams currently in playoff position, they are 2-2 (including one win where they were dogshit and their goaltender saved their ass). Their next 4 games are against teams in playoff position. That'll be 7 out of 8 games. These 8 games in January should give us a decent indication of what this team is.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

The concern with that stat, is that of the 14 wins since 12/1, only 4 have come against teams currently in playoff position. And a number of those wins were squarely on the goaltender's shoulders.

I get that the schedule is the schedule. And the points are definitely nice. But over that timeframe, the team has played quite a bit of uninspired hockey.

Sure, I can't contest that. But contending teams find ways to win even when they aren't playing their best hockey. We can count on one hand the number of times our top-6 has actually been together, so if we lean on the goalie a bit that's fine. I'd rather face slumps like this in December/January than in March/April. The important thing is we are still earning points even when we're playing ugly hockey. That's a good sign that we've not just given up. If Bednar had truly lost the room, this team wouldn't firmly be in a playoff spot. With the amount of injuries we've had, this team would be in the gutter if they had given up on Bednar.

 

[dahrougem2]

"lost the room"

This same shit after every loss.

Go look at the underlying numbers.

The Avs are bottom third in the league when it comes to a lot of metrics since December 1st.

They are winning because of Blackwood and Wedgewood.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

Go look at the underlying numbers.

The Avs are bottom third in the league when it comes to a lot of metrics since December 1st.

They are winning because of Blackwood and Wedgewood.

No doubt the Avs are not playing good hockey at the moment, but they are still winning. And goaltender is the one position that cannot actually win you a game. The team in front of them still needs to score more than the opposition. Blackwood and Wedgewood are certainly giving the team the opportunity to win every night, but they still need to go out and do it.

This is a slump, but unlike shitty teams, we're still able to keep winning during it. We don't need to fire a coach every time we don't play well. No team plays well the whole year. Edmonton started out like garbage once again. We started out like shit for 4 or so games. Seasons are long and ebb and flow. Bednar isn't on the hot seat every time we lose.

 

[Tralfamadore]

No doubt the Avs are not playing good hockey at the moment, but they are still winning. And goaltender is the one position that cannot actually win you a game. The team in front of them still needs to score more than the opposition. Blackwood and Wedgewood are certainly giving the team the opportunity to win every night, but they still need to go out and do it.

This is a slump, but unlike shitty teams, we're still able to keep winning during it. We don't need to fire a coach every time we don't play well. No team plays well the whole year. Edmonton started out like garbage once again. We started out like shit for 4 or so games. Seasons are long and ebb and flow. Bednar isn't on the hot seat every time we lose.

The Avs have been mediocre at best all year. It's not just a slump. They just have good goaltenders now so they've been able to win some games.

I'm mixed on the coaching issue. On one hand I look at the roster and it looks like a wild card team to me which is where they are. On the other hand it seems like the coaching staff is not getting the best out of their players whatsoever.

I'd be down for a change at the helm. Bednar is one of the longest tenured coaches in the league. Longest tenured in Avalanche history. It might just be time for some new blood.

 

[GirardIsStupid]

Have they got rid of this piece of shit coach yet?