Jared Bednar Discussion

[SirLoinOfCloth]

Extend Bednar!

 

[shadow1]

Some stats to throw at you:

	For	Against
Shots	13th	5th
Scoring Chances	3rd	13th

	Pre-Wedge	Post-Wedge	Overall
Goals For	13th	7th	9th
Goals Against	30th	11th	29th

	Pre-Wedge	Post-Wedge	Overall
Power Play	6th	31st	12th
Penalty Kill	29th	9th	25h

In other words, Bednar is still coaching the team well. Colorado has actually increased their goal output this month, despite one stinkin' power play tally.

But context matters. In last night's snoozefest, a functional power play could've changed the game. Instead, it cost them the game, thanks to the shortie allowed.

 

[Metallo]

Gardiner MaDougall please and.thank.you

I had to research who that is. It would be a supremely out of the box and risky thing to hire a 65yo coach with no pro experience.

 

[henchman21]

Some stats to throw at you:

	For	Against
Shots	13th	5th
Scoring Chances	3rd	13th

	Pre-Wedge	Post-Wedge	Overall
Goals For	13th	7th	9th
Goals Against	30th	11th	29th

	Pre-Wedge	Post-Wedge	Overall
Power Play	6th	31st	12th
Penalty Kill	29th	9th	25h

In other words, Bednar is still coaching the team well. Colorado has actually increased their goal output this month, despite one stinkin' power play tally.

But context matters. In last night's snoozefest, a functional power play could've changed the game. Instead, it cost them the game, thanks to the shortie allowed.

Traditionally, teams that are heavily reliant on special teams to win games, do not succeed in the playoffs. Of course you want good special teams play and you probably need a bounce to make a long run... but 5v5 is where games that matter are won and lost. Since Nov 15th, the Avs are 16th in 5v5 GF%, in xGF% they are 17th. They are pretty much the very definition of average where it counts the most over the last month.

 

[Alienblood]

I had to research who that is. It would be a supremely out of the box and risky thing to hire a 65yo coach with no pro experience.

I don't think he would accept at his age , he's a Maritimer who lives a good life here. He’s a coaching machine.

I'm heading to a Wildcats game or 2 over Christmas Break.

A Memorial Cup is in the cards for Moncton. He's had pro offers before.

Edit: He is also working with his son in Moncton

 

[Ceremony]

Some stats to throw at you:

	For	Against
Shots	13th	5th
Scoring Chances	3rd	13th

	Pre-Wedge	Post-Wedge	Overall
Goals For	13th	7th	9th
Goals Against	30th	11th	29th

	Pre-Wedge	Post-Wedge	Overall
Power Play	6th	31st	12th
Penalty Kill	29th	9th	25h

In other words, Bednar is still coaching the team well. Colorado has actually increased their goal output this month, despite one stinkin' power play tally.

But context matters. In last night's snoozefest, a functional power play could've changed the game. Instead, it cost them the game, thanks to the shortie allowed.

What I'm seeing here is that Wedgewood has killed the powerplay.

 

[RECKLESS]

The way things have went this season, I'm just not buying into just stats, even with the eye test. Even though they tell the factual truth, there is so much more this team is capable of down the stretch when things clique. We just got the goalies sorted. Next get healthy. See you in February is my stance for fancy stats.

 

[cinchronicity]

I was wondering whether the Fire Bednar thread would be resurrected after that awful performance last night. Just a few bullet points:

1) This is not 1950. Every team has a complete video department and know all their opponents' tendencies. It is - now more than ever - imperative to have a coach who can adjust. I mean several times throughout a game, not once in a career. Bednar is obviously not that guy.

2) Everything about the Avs is too predictable: Zone Exits, PP, PK, net front presence.

3) I don't want to revive the Sacco 'Didn't start on time' meme, but this team starts every damn game and every damn period like they are still asleep. After a while, that falls on the coach. Has Bednar lost the room? Almost certainly.

4) The Bednar Blender has to go. There is a team sports concept called 'chemistry'. How can any line function with different people every period?

5) Bednar refuses to change his system according to the roster he has. Drouin and Mitts are two of the better passers to ever wear an Avs uniform. They are definitely the best passers in Bednar's tenure. But he does not build a gameplen to passer's strength. Instead, it is always " We have to skate faster. We need to try harder." Why not work smarter instead of harder?

6) All of the drills in practice are dandy. But in games, it becomes clear that those drills don't do much once an opponent sees the gameplan. Here's a novel idea: practice faceoffs!! Practice clearing the puck from the D-Zone ( either 5v5 or PK.) Practice the century-old skills of defending a 2 on 1. The Avs are crap with all of these now, and since Bednar's first day.

I'm not sure I have an answer today, because it is mid-season. Furthermore, Bennett and Pratt have to go as well, so any new coach is going to need time to install a new system. But it would be professional malpractice for Sakic to not make wholesale changes the morning after this team is eliminated in the second round, wasting yet another year of prime Mac and Makaar.

 

[henchman21]

Not that Bednar is a bad coach... but I don't think a change wouldn't be the worst thing (and I don't think it will happen this year). A new voice, a new system, sometimes some freedom in play... these things can help teams. Personally, I really wouldn't mind a hardass, not a players' coach sort of voice. Swing the pendulum and get a completely different style in here. Wouldn't even mind a trap and slow the game down sort of coach. Not that it necessarily fits the roster, but it gives a different viewpoint and focus for the team. Learn to play a different way for a while, then you can amp back up the north/south offensive style again.

 

[Pokecheque]

Has there really been much of a blender? IMO there's been a little rotation, yeah, but I don't think for a minute that's the reason the offense looks so punchless. A lot of it has to do with a ridiculous lack of depth, and too many key guys underachieving--notably Nuke.

Bednar isn't, like, rolling out radically different lines or pinning top six guys alongside Chris Wagner (even though a couple of them might deserve it), if anything IMO he's been too conservative with changing things up--though admittedly there's not really many different configurations that would really work all that well. I think at some point I'd have him try Mikko at center for a bit and push Mitts to the wing...BUT it's pretty clear no one in the organization really wants to try that again.

 

[Pokecheque]

Not that Bednar is a bad coach... but I don't think a change wouldn't be the worst thing (and I don't think it will happen this year). A new voice, a new system, sometimes some freedom in play... these things can help teams. Personally, I really wouldn't mind a hardass, not a players' coach sort of voice. Swing the pendulum and get a completely different style in here. Wouldn't even mind a trap and slow the game down sort of coach. Not that it necessarily fits the roster, but it gives a different viewpoint and focus for the team. Learn to play a different way for a while, then you can amp back up the north/south offensive style again.

I suppose if there was a guy I'd consider replacing Bednar with, it's possibly Bruce Boudreau. I've always liked Bruce, problem with him is that he really has a hard time containing his temper when things start going south and he just goes off on the players, and it's pretty clear at some point they tune him out. He's proven he's savvy enough with systems that he can employ a more conservative defensive system, or go full run-and-gun (which I think he'd prefer, but he doesn't really force players to fit his system).

A good trap guy would probably be McLellan but OH GOD NOT HIM.

Sadly, if he wasn't such a goddamned slimeball, Quenneville would likely be the guy who'd get the most out of his roster, but it's probably a moot point because no way would the Avs pay what he'll eventually be getting once he returns behind an NHL bench.

 

[Pokecheque]

FTR I will make a not-so-crazy prediction and say that it's more than likely both MacFarland and Bednar will be gone at season's end. I just don't see this team making anything remotely resembling a deep playoff run, and I really don't think a first or even second round exit will be accepted...unless there are even more devastating injuries down the road.

 

[amigo]

Without Gerorgiev blunders AVS record would be much better, not to mention all the injuries and no depth at all on the roster. I would love to see some grinders, few fights or whatever to bring some passion to this anemic squad and thats what Beds doesnt like to employ but also they didnt build roster in that direction anyway for now and hopefully they will correct that at TD.

 

[henchman21]

I suppose if there was a guy I'd consider replacing Bednar with, it's possibly Bruce Boudreau. I've always liked Bruce, problem with him is that he really has a hard time containing his temper when things start going south and he just goes off on the players, and it's pretty clear at some point they tune him out. He's proven he's savvy enough with systems that he can employ a more conservative defensive system, or go full run-and-gun (which I think he'd prefer, but he doesn't really force players to fit his system).

A good trap guy would probably be McLellan but OH GOD NOT HIM.

Sadly, if he wasn't such a goddamned slimeball, Quenneville would likely be the guy who'd get the most out of his roster, but it's probably a moot point because no way would the Avs pay what he'll eventually be getting once he returns behind an NHL bench.

I personally wouldn't care all that much as to who it is... this would be a short timer. A guy who is here for maybe 2-3 seasons as a last gasp. If it doesn't work, so be it. But something different could really help this team. Probably alleviate some pressure and just give them a new toy. We're towards the end and there is only so many more levers to pull. It needs to happen if this year doesn't lead to success.

Now saying that, if Torts freed up, that's the guy. Totally different personality and system behind the bench and one that will be willing to do some difficult things. It would likely alienate some players, and the offensive numbers would drop... but you can be damn sure he'd get a lot out of this team. You may just be putting out some fires in 3-4 years.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

The HC I would want has two years left on his current deal after this one. Bednar has three.

Think Brierre is still hanging up every time CMac calls? I wouldn't mind inquiring about a trade of Bednar for Torts. I would be fascinated to see what he could do in a two season run here. Would not want him long term like Bednar's been though.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

FTR I will make a not-so-crazy prediction and say that it's more than likely both MacFarland and Bednar will be gone at season's end. I just don't see this team making anything remotely resembling a deep playoff run, and I really don't think a first or even second round exit will be accepted...unless there are even more devastating injuries down the road.

Bednar has his faults but this team has no business being competitive against some of the top teams of the West. Replacing Bednar because they have a better candidate who can get more out of a different style of play is valid.

Firing Bednar due to a first round loss just because it happened? In my mind that's a bad idea. Since a first round loss should be the expectation.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Here we go with this thread again.....

Since their bad 1-6 start of the season they are 17-9 with very bad goaltending and now that they have better goaltending most of the team is sick.

Maybe, just maybe, we should give them a few games with new goaltending AND the players that are actually on the ice not being sick. I am not even asking for the injured players to be back as it seems the Avs will always have a few out.

 

[henchman21]

Here we go with this thread again.....

Since their bad 1-6 start of the season they are 17-9 with very bad goaltending and now that they have better goaltending most of the team is sick.

Maybe, just maybe, we should give them a few games with new goaltending AND the players that are actually on the ice not being sick. I am not even asking for the injured players to be back as it seems the Avs will always have a few out.

It is too early to say how much better the goaltending will be. Blackwood has had struggles in the NHL more than success. Wedgewood was run out of Dallas and Nashville couldn't get rid of him fast enough. Both are likely better than what George turned into here, but how much better and is it good enough are still questions.

Of the 18 wins, only 7 have comes against teams currently in the playoff position... and 10 losses against teams in playoff position. They haven't played good competition well this year. Which is a pretty bad sign.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I suppose if there was a guy I'd consider replacing Bednar with, it's possibly Bruce Boudreau. I've always liked Bruce, problem with him is that he really has a hard time containing his temper when things start going south and he just goes off on the players, and it's pretty clear at some point they tune him out. He's proven he's savvy enough with systems that he can employ a more conservative defensive system, or go full run-and-gun (which I think he'd prefer, but he doesn't really force players to fit his system).

A good trap guy would probably be McLellan but OH GOD NOT HIM.

Sadly, if he wasn't such a goddamned slimeball, Quenneville would likely be the guy who'd get the most out of his roster, but it's probably a moot point because no way would the Avs pay what he'll eventually be getting once he returns behind an NHL bench.

Why do you care so much about who people are behind closed doors and what their political stances are, views on homosexuality and trans stuff, etc.?

I’m genuinely curious. Why do you care if Coach Q is what you consider a “goddamned slimeball” to be? You admit yourself you like him as a coach.

Don’t you want to win? Isn’t that what the sport is about?

I don’t give a f*** what anybody’s stances are on LGBTQWTF or if they like to have orgies with amputated clowns. If it doesn’t impact their ability to coach or play, why the f*** should it matter?

Last I checked, there aren’t awards given out for having good morals. They’re given out for winning and performing on the ice.

 

[Balthazar]

A good trap guy would probably be McLellan but OH GOD NOT HIM.

Yes, him.

this would be a short timer. A guy who is here for maybe 2-3 seasons as a last gasp.

My picks would be:

1- Quenneville
2- McLellan
3- Gallant

 

[henchman21]

if they like to have orgies with amputated clowns.

BRB

Yes, him.



My picks would be:

1- Quenneville
2- McLellan
3- Gallant

Gallant would be fantastic (for 1.5 seasons).

 

[Balthazar]

Gallant would be fantastic (for 1.5 seasons).

Hey he might last longer here. I don't see Sakic or CMac getting mad at him

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Here we go with this thread again.....

Since their bad 1-6 start of the season they are 17-9 with very bad goaltending and now that they have better goaltending most of the team is sick.

Maybe, just maybe, we should give them a few games with new goaltending AND the players that are actually on the ice not being sick. I am not even asking for the injured players to be back as it seems the Avs will always have a few out.

Just wanted to let you know that I wasn't laughing at you.

I was laughing at the idea of this board having patience.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

It is too early to say how much better the goaltending will be. Blackwood has had struggles in the NHL more than success. Wedgewood was run out of Dallas and Nashville couldn't get rid of him fast enough. Both are likely better than what George turned into here, but how much better and is it good enough are still questions.

Of the 18 wins, only 7 have comes against teams currently in the playoff position... and 10 losses against teams in playoff position. They haven't played good competition well this year. Which is a pretty bad sign.

And that is my point...let's see what we have first. Their first period play is certainly a big issue but overall I don't think they have been playing bad in the 2nd and third periods. They very often out played teams in those periods. They need to have better starts. Playing from behind takes a toll on the players. Yes it can be argued that it is a coach issue but I still say let's see what we have with new goalies and the team under the weather before we send the coach to the pasture.

To each their own I guess.

 

[JudoKoala]

3) I don't want to revive the Sacco 'Didn't start on time' meme,

but this team starts every damn game and every damn period like they are still asleep. After a while, that falls on the coach.

Has Bednar lost the room? Almost certainly.