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Bednar deserves tons of credit for getting this team over the hump.
Jared Bednar Discussion
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The Pwnerer
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First coach to win at the ECHL, AHL and NHL level! Best coach in Avs history for sure!
I would love to see footage of his "passionate" speech with 5 minutes left in the game.
I would love to see footage of his "passionate" speech with 5 minutes left in the game.
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Regular season was completely different and it doesn't translate to the playoffs, not sure why this is even a conversation. They've pushed the play with the lead for a few seasons now which is why they've won the president trophy. But again, they couldn't translate to the playoff style hockey.
We can all remember all the defensive breakdowns and scoring chances off the rushes which lead to a huge momentum shift. Graves and EJ shooting it into shin pads, cross-ice seam passes and bad pinches which all lead to huge, deflating goals. Those are the type of plays the figured out how to get rid of when leading this run, along with figuring out an effective forechecking system with a lead as well that didn't simply give them their blue line every single rush.
If the Avs played like they did in the cup finals against the Blues it would've been a sweep.
MarkT
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Yes, he improved from past years, which is one of the things that makes him a great coach. My point was he didn't suddenly figure things out against Edmonton. They've been doing similar things consistently all season.
Guess we just aren't going to agree. He didn't revamp the system entirely but he figured out how to get them how to play a cup-winning style, especially when defending (or attacking) with the lead. Those minor tweaks are the difference between winning and losing the cup.
Edit: Let me put it this way - he got everyone playing like Bo Byram instead of Jacob MacDonald.
flyfysher
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No shit. I'd pay money to have been a fly on the wall during the second intermission of game 6.
SirLoinOfCloth
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Yea, he looked particularly red-faced after that TV timeout where he apparently spoke for the entire time.
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Agree. Most people ignore the fact that most of the time it is the other team that pushes back by playing desperate hockey. Most fans of all teams will say that their team turtle when they are protecting a lead late in the game and will that their team is pushing back when their team is trying to tie the game.
The truth is most often somewhere in the middle. When in the lead human nature will make you play safer hockey and therefore usually not press as hard because you don't want to make a mistake and be the reason the other team tied the game. At the same time the other team starts playing desperate hockey and the combination of both makes it look like your team is turtling. On the other hand when you are behind the urgency of scoring to tie the game makes you play desperate hockey and therefore press much harder. It gives the impression that your team is pushing back which they are but the fans will rarely say the other team is turtling.
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Switching from a 1-2-2 to a 2-1-2 and vice versa isn't some sort of epiphany or a genius adjustment though. It's situation/opposition dependent.
He was probably talking with Bednar to confirm what they wanted to do because they've done both and this was the biggest game of their careers.
But this protection strategy you refer to of sitting back is usually not dictated by the coach. Most NHL coaches want you to be aggressive and play in the O zone with the lead. Not sit back. When the Avs have sat back it's because of human nature, not because Bednar has been telling them this.
This is evidenced by the fact this happens constantly in an NHL season with with players sitting back despite what their coaches tell them, and also by the fact that many times when the Avs have done this, they come out in the post game and say they sat back too much.
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I can't believe on the most important game of their career he once more lost the room.
On a serious note.....Congrats Bedsy.
And for the record I never wanted him fired. I always thought he was the one to take this team to finish line.
On a serious note.....Congrats Bedsy.
And for the record I never wanted him fired. I always thought he was the one to take this team to finish line.
Original Bednar fan checking in. Glad you all finally came around.
cinchronicity
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The OP was talking about a clear trouble the Avs have had for at least 3 years - the inability to keep a big lead. This is not an adjustment, and we all know I have my criticisms of Bednar's ability to adjust. We are talking about a philosophy which exists in many team sports. Make no mistake, when the camera's caught Landy looking to Bednar ( they mentioned it with Compher as well) He was asking his coach whether it was business as usual, or if he wanted a change to 1-2-2, which is more defensive shell and a coaching system, pure and simple. in R4G2, they never took the foot off.
I'm trying to give Bedsy credit here. Let's not argue on this one.
John Mandalorian
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He's done an amazing job moving this team from where they were when he took over to making them relevant. Last year, one could argue that a big part of the failure against the Knights was him failing to adjust. He's a flawed human. The question is, how does he then handle that - does he learn from it or not? This post season was a master class in adjustments. But a lot of credit also goes to JS for finally focusing on higher end depth pieces at the TDL. Credit and criticism goes to both. The important thing is that you can definitely say that the Avs were not outcoached in any series this post season. And this is with Bednar refusing to pander for calls. Great, great coach. He's probably the best coach the Avs have ever had.
The Avs were a big reclamation project when he took over. He nurtured that from the lowest of lows to being relevant again. The question then became, was he the guy to put them the extra distance to the top. Now you can say he's navigated a team through all parts of an upward trajectory.
The Avs were a big reclamation project when he took over. He nurtured that from the lowest of lows to being relevant again. The question then became, was he the guy to put them the extra distance to the top. Now you can say he's navigated a team through all parts of an upward trajectory.
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That's what was different about this team all year, and why I was so confident we could do this. That ability to keep playing and keep pushing when down a goal was what was missing from last year's team. The mental fortitude this team had was just different, I never despaired when they were behind this postseason because I knew they had it in them to come back.
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Yeah, I think Bednar’s success make me want the Avs to double down in Bednar type players.
Guys who play at a relentless pace. That is Colorado Avalanche hockey. Sakic did a great job of supplementing it, with guys like Lehkonen and Cogliano.
Hopefully they can start finding some of these guys in the draft. Even though that will be harder with limited picks.
Guys who play at a relentless pace. That is Colorado Avalanche hockey. Sakic did a great job of supplementing it, with guys like Lehkonen and Cogliano.
Hopefully they can start finding some of these guys in the draft. Even though that will be harder with limited picks.
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Bednar's type of players are also Sacco's type because they always start the game on time.
flyfysher
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What level coach do you think JB is at? I thought he was a very good, highly analytical coach going into the VGK series but DeBoer outcoached him with in game adjustments and JB didn’t really adjust quickly. The problem for opponents is that he learned to adapt and he was very aggressive about it this time around.
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Hell yeah, give the guy tons of credit and a nice gold watch and start looking for his replacement.
flyfysher
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All coaches know as soon as they’re hired that they’ll eventually be fired. Comes with the territory.
MarkT
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Best Avs coach ever. Cemented in history. Enjoy this time guys. One day the Avs will have a bad coach again and we'll look back fondly on the Bednar glory days.
