Speculation: Jakob Chychrun being held out of the Coyotes lineup until a trade is completed

[toddkaz]

Chychrun scratched again.

At least he will be fresh for his next team

 

[wintersej]

Yeah that seems a little light unless Turcotte can stay healthy.

I suppose that risk kind of offsets Chychruns durabilty concerns though.

I would be very annoyed if my team didn’t beat that offer.

 

[Ivo]

If he plays 70 plus games a year he will achieved more than Chychrun has in his. This is what worries me about dealing for him. His average just over 55 games a year, thats not good. You can't justify giving up top assets for something like that. Its like trading for Gaborik, you know he'll miss 20 games a year. The Kings already did this.

Are you saying that was not a good trade for the Kings?! One of the best deadline trades I can think of. The subsequent contract extension didn’t work out past season 1, but the Kings don’t win the 2014 Cup without Gaborik and he only cost them two 2nd round picks.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Are you saying that was not a good trade for the Kings?! One of the best deadline trades I can think of. The subsequent contract extension didn’t work out past season 1, but the Kings don’t win the 2014 Cup without Gaborik and he only cost them two 2nd round picks.

He's saying that at this time the Kings are not ready for a 'finishing piece.'

Kings blow their wad on Chychrun and they still have holes/issues to solve

TOR/BOS do it and they're certain favorites

 

[Statto]

Ps - the other thread got locked, Could not find one, so I just made a new one.
Cheers

The snag was him speculating, it wasn’t based on any fact or source. He also said Clarke and Byfield are not in play. The tweet is deliberately misleading.

edit: since seen others have said similar… oh well.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Clarke is going to be better than Chychrun ever was in no more than 2-3 years.

If LA deals Clarke, Blake should be fired.

I'll take that bet, Clarke can't skate and he moves in slow-mo.

 

[Reaper45]

I think it's a bit weird to flex on Vilardi being good (which he is) as being proof that fans on here are wrong about the Kings, while not mentioning that guys like Kupari, Turcotte, Bjornfot and Byfield haven't really shown the kind of progression you'd want out of where they were taken.

Just looking as an outsider, I think LA's drafting and developing recently has been more misses than hits. Anderson, Vilardi, Kaliyev, and Spence seem to be the most promising, but Kupari, Turcotte, Bjornfot, Byfield, Thomas (I remember he was super hyped back in the day) and Grans really don't appear to be progressing/didn't end up progressing as you wanted them to.

Kupari is progressing just fine. Turcotte has been dealing with injuries, as has Thomas. Grans is in his sophomore slump. Bjornfot has regressed but others think he’s fine just blocked by vets. I’m not huge on Byfield but he’s had injuries and illness delay him but is starting to come on.

 

[Ivo]

He's saying that at this time the Kings are not ready for a 'finishing piece.'

Kings blow their wad on Chychrun and they still have holes/issues to solve

TOR/BOS do it and they're certain favorites

Sure, but Chychrun is not a rental, he has two more years on his deal at a super low cap hit.

 

[Nakawick]

The Coyotes should take a page from the Nordiques and trade him twice and let the league figure it out.

 

[Statto]

I don't know why people expect guys like Freidman to only report on facts. Speculation is a huge part of sports media, and at least Freidman is still intentional with making sure it is obvious what is rumour and what is speculation if you actually get information from him first hand.

The bigger issue was people quoting Freidmans speculation as fact for click bait. He made it clear it was no more than him spit balling.

 

[kinghock]

Durzi, Turcotte and a ‘24 1st is extremely lowball.

They are always other teams to trade with for better return.

 

[rt]

They are always other teams to trade with for better return.

Correct.

 

[kinghock]

Not really up to date on Kings prospects… what about…
Spence, Kaliyev, Walker, ‘24 1st, ‘23 2nd

To low?
to high?

Spence, Walker, ‘24 1st, ‘23 2nd is fair in my opinion.

 

[Kurrilino]

That is a moronic take. If the Kings are trading for Chychrun, it by definition means they want him. Trying to paint his value as "we don't want him, but we'll pay this for him" is just asininely stupid. It's a fantasy scenario that makes literally no sense.

You're not a GM, what you want to do doesn't matter. What matters is what the Kings would pay for Chychrun, and if they're trading for him, it obviously means they want him.

I can't believe that i have to type this out.
This here is a GM makebelieve forum where peeps without any knowledge or connection to their franchise post opinions.
I have to point out that i have no relationship whatsoever to Blake or the Kings organization.

With that said, i still stand by Chychrun is the last player the Kings need and i wouldn't trade for him.
You guys keep insisting on a trade, which makes me pointing out the condition that a trade could only be made if there is understanding that the Kings don't need Chychrun.
I am absolutely aware that this is the point where you guys freak out and walk away from the deal, which is done intentionally, since you guys don't stop begging for Kings prospects on your own.

Is this more clear now?

 

[Kurrilino]

Not really up to date on Kings prospects… what about…
Spence, Kaliyev, Walker, ‘24 1st, ‘23 2nd

To low?
to high?

Kaliev is a non starter
It was brought up several times that the coaches love his accurate shot and he fills a specific role difficult to replace. He is seen as a future 30+ goal scorer.

 

[Kingfan1967]

Seems Chychrun might be a better target for the Oilers than Karlsson, cheaper cap hit so no need to pay for retention, less term, age fits team better, would pay less to the Coyotes than San Jose.

 

[trellaine201]

Hmm Chychrun averages about 60-65 games a season. Is that a concern?

 

[Mr Kot]

Hmm Chychrun averages about 60-65 games a season. Is that a concern?

It is, but that contract is a beauty. Probably most people are willing to overlook the injury history.

 

[Kurrilino]

The Coyotes should take a page from the Nordiques and trade him twice and let the league figure it out.

I support this porposal.
Let them trade to any team of the league except the Kings and then see what happens

 

[Kranix]

holy f*** just trade him. I need him in fantasy lineup. Bill Amrstrong doesn't look like a GM, he looks like he should be running for governor of Arkansas or something.

 

[Kurrilino]

It is, but that contract is a beauty. Probably most people are willing to overlook the injury history.

uhmm... every proposal starts with his injurie concerns and his salary is secondary

 

[rt]

Spence, Walker, ‘24 1st, ‘23 2nd is fair in my opinion.

Not even close.

 

[kilowatt]

I think it's a bit weird to flex on Vilardi being good (which he is) as being proof that fans on here are wrong about the Kings, while not mentioning that guys like Kupari, Turcotte, Bjornfot and Byfield haven't really shown the kind of progression you'd want out of where they were taken.

Just looking as an outsider, I think LA's drafting and developing recently has been more misses than hits. Anderson, Vilardi, Kaliyev, and Spence seem to be the most promising, but Kupari, Turcotte, Bjornfot, Byfield, Thomas (I remember he was super hyped back in the day) and Grans really don't appear to be progressing/didn't end up progressing as you wanted them to.

Bjornfot was never going to be some stud offensive defenseman, his ceiling is likely a good second-pairing guy. He was also taken at 23rd overall. Kupari was taken 20th overall. Thomas was taken at 51st overall. It seems a bit disingenuous to lump those guys in with players like Byfield, Clarke, Turcotte, and Vilardi.

Sure, Vilardi got injured. This is his first injury since his back issues over two years ago, and we don't even know what the injury is. Even at that, Vilardi's "back injury" has been widely speculated to be Spondylolysis, a spinal injury common in teenagers who play physically demanding sports. The treatment is literally just rest and rehabilitation.

Byfield and Turcotte have had pretty serious injuries as well. Byfield came back from an ankle fracture last preseason, and then apparently lost something like 20 pounds after COVID this preseason. Turcotte's concussions (and other various injuries as well) have been well-documented the past two seasons. Is it really that surprising that these guys either haven't broken out yet or are just starting to?

 

[Mr Kot]

uhmm... every proposal starts with his injurie concerns and his salary is secondary

I don't think it's that cut and dry. He is still commanding top dollar for trades even with those concerns and from multiple teams. His market value right now is probably a better indicator on what GM's are looking at then what we post here.

 

[Statto]

Fair enough. Wasn't meant to be a slight of LA fans just a quick message. Bottom line is it was just a way of demonstrating how equating Clarke to Makar is some big time dumbshittery. Agreed?

Of course it is… Makar plus a 1st more like