Speculation: Jakob Chychrun being held out of the Coyotes lineup until a trade is completed

[Mattilaus]

Clearly the Sabres are out because we have already traded for Elite D man Riley Stillman.

 

[JoeSakic13]

You gotta wonder when this being “held out” thing becomes obvious that it’s to help with the tank.

 

[Mr Positive]

You gotta wonder when this being “held out” thing becomes obvious that it’s to help with the tank.

Only if it's still going on next week

 

[hbk]

You gotta wonder when this being “held out” thing becomes obvious that it’s to help with the tank.

Well the 2 losses in regulation in the month of February didn’t help.

 

[FrolikFan67]

Washington, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Columbus, St Louis and Ottawa are all being mentioned by national “insiders” today.

The panthers have their 2nd this year and a 3rd next year. If they could snag a 1st for Reinhart and a 2nd for Gudas. You think Arizona would take a 1st and two 2nds and maybe a 3rd or so?

 

[cobra427]

You gotta wonder when this being “held out” thing becomes obvious that it’s to help with the tank.

They have played better generally without him, I think the situation has been a distraction, thats on the GM not Chych.

 

[rt]

The panthers have their 2nd this year and a 3rd next year. If they could snag a 1st for Reinhart and a 2nd for Gudas. You think Arizona would take a 1st and two 2nds and maybe a 3rd or so?

No.

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

The panthers have their 2nd this year and a 3rd next year. If they could snag a 1st for Reinhart and a 2nd for Gudas. You think Arizona would take a 1st and two 2nds and maybe a 3rd or so?

deal would have happened a year ago if that were the case.

 

[Dread Clawz]

The Kings should just pony up and get it done. The West is wide open the next couple years.

 

[Oilslick941611]

You gotta wonder when this being “held out” thing becomes obvious that it’s to help with the tank.

It’s a joke. if he is healthy, he should be playing.

 

[FSL KINGS]

The Kings should just pony up and get it done. The West is wide open the next couple years.

Adding a defender doesn't fix the King's other issues & make them a contender. No point in making the move now. Got plenty of time to wait for the cost to come down.

 

[Dread Clawz]

Adding a defender doesn't fix the King's other issues & make them a contender. No point in making the move now. Got plenty of time to wait for the cost to come down.

Not if the Yotes are intent on moving him by the deadline, as that tweet said.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Not if the Yotes are intent on moving him by the deadline, as that tweet said.

That's fine. Move him elsewhere. Still not in a hurry. Just like last deadline.

 

[Kurrilino]

The Kings should just pony up and get it done. The West is wide open the next couple years.

Can you not speak on behalf of the Kings peeps please?

It has been mentioned countless times that Chychrun is the last player the Kings need.
We are more or less set for D and if we are looking, it would be for a defensive minded physical guy who can skate

It’s a joke. if he is healthy, he should be playing.

If you guys would man up and finally trade for him, we wouldn't have to write ugly things like that

 

[rt]

The Kings should just pony up and get it done. The West is wide open the next couple years.

Part of the problem with the Kings I think is they already traded their ‘22 1st, so are TL likely to trade ‘23, and unlike the Penguins, I can’t bank on their ‘25 and ‘26 1sts being early. So it doesn’t make sense to delay.

Okay, so maybe a good prospect? Well Byfield and Clarke are off the table. Untouchable. I guess Vilardi probably is, too.

Turcotte, Kupri, Durzi, Spence, Grans, Fagemo, etc - these are not 1st round equivalents. They just aren’t. Maybe Rob Blake thinks they are. Maybe that’s part of the problem.

It also seems he wants to dump Walker without giving up a decent asset. Which, I’ll be honest, makes sense to me. Walker isn’t that bad and he isn’t that overpaid. He’s not great and he should make less, but he’s not heavy negative value, I don’t think.

For me, no deal with LA makes sense if it doesn’t include Kaliyev. He’s playing on the 4th line and eating some scratches lately. He’s not as untouchable as Clarke or QB. But he’s definitely more appealing than Turcotte or Kupari. To me, he represents a real compromise for both sides.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

Please keep the Penguins out of this. Which it seems like they are.

Chychrun isn’t the savior some around here seem to think he is. This will be an overpay by some team.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I believe something is brewing. It might happen by the deadline, but if not, most likely during the offseason. Sources are telling me there are multiple teams in the mix. Don't be surprised if it happens in the next few days.

 

[Prestigeworldwide]

Part of the problem with the Kings I think is they already traded their ‘22 1st, so are TL likely to trade ‘23, and unlike the Penguins, I can’t bank on their ‘25 and ‘26 1sts being early. So it doesn’t make sense to delay.

Okay, so maybe a good prospect? Well Byfield and Clarke are off the table. Untouchable. I guess Vilardi probably is, too.

Turcotte, Kupri, Durzi, Spence, Grans, Fagemo, etc - these are not 1st round equivalents. They just aren’t. Maybe Rob Blake thinks they are. Maybe that’s part of the problem.

It also seems he wants to dump Walker without giving up a decent asset. Which, I’ll be honest, makes sense to me. Walker isn’t that bad and he isn’t that overpaid. He’s not great and he should make less, but he’s not heavy negative value, I don’t think.

For me, no deal with LA makes sense if it doesn’t include Kaliyev. He’s playing on the 4th line and eating some scratches lately. He’s not as untouchable as Clarke or QB. But he’s definitely more appealing than Turcotte or Kupari. To me, he represents a real compromise for both sides.

I would love Brandt but a return of
23 1st, Kaliyev, Grans, and Walker sounds really good to me.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Part of the problem with the Kings I think is they already traded their ‘22 1st, so are TL likely to trade ‘23, and unlike the Penguins, I can’t bank on their ‘25 and ‘26 1sts being early. So it doesn’t make sense to delay.

Okay, so maybe a good prospect? Well Byfield and Clarke are off the table. Untouchable. I guess Vilardi probably is, too.

Turcotte, Kupri, Durzi, Spence, Grans, Fagemo, etc - these are not 1st round equivalents. They just aren’t. Maybe Rob Blake thinks they are. Maybe that’s part of the problem.

It also seems he wants to dump Walker without giving up a decent asset. Which, I’ll be honest, makes sense to me. Walker isn’t that bad and he isn’t that overpaid. He’s not great and he should make less, but he’s not heavy negative value, I don’t think.

For me, no deal with LA makes sense if it doesn’t include Kaliyev. He’s playing on the 4th line and eating some scratches lately. He’s not as untouchable as Clarke or QB. But he’s definitely more appealing than Turcotte or Kupari. To me, he represents a real compromise for both sides.

AZ meanwhile wants to dump 5M of Chychrun salary without taking anything back. How much did we decide moving out 4.6M over 2more seasons was going to cost?

Here's a fun fact, Cal is owed 11M in real money over the next 2 years. We all know what AZ fans have asked to move that contract in this thread. Chychrun is owed 12.4M over that same time. AZ is literally asking 2X 1st & to move out a bigger contract than Cal's for free.

Walker is owed 3.35M over 1 more year & apparently that held the deal up. Chychrun has a 1M bonus next year. Those get paid around UFA day in the summer? Expect Chychrun gone by then if money really is that tight.

Kaliyev is a non starter. He is getting 2nd PP & has more goals than Chychrun, who is also used as a PP left-handed shot. He is getting scratched because Kaliyev is coming back from injury. He is on the 4th line because Todd is insane.

 

[Half Clapper]

AZ meanwhile wants to dump 5M of Chychrun salary without taking anything back. How much did we decide moving out 4.6M over 2more seasons was going to cost?

Here's a fun fact, Cal is owed 11M in real money over the next 2 years. We all know what AZ fans have asked to move that contract in this thread. Chychrun is owed 12.4M over that same time. AZ is literally asking 2X 1st & to move out a bigger contract than Cal's for free.

Walker is owed 3.35M over 1 more year & apparently that held the deal up. Chychrun has a 1M bonus next year. Those get paid around UFA day in the summer? Expect Chychrun gone by then if money really is that tight.

Kaliyev is a non starter. He is getting 2nd PP & has more goals than Chychrun, who is also used as a PP left-handed shot. He is getting scratched because Kaliyev is coming back from injury. He is on the 4th line because Todd is insane.

A forward having more goals than a D-man? Who would have thought??

EDIT: Chych also has 28 pts in 36 games while your golden boy winger has 22 pts in 41 games...How do you explain that one? I actually find it comical how badly ppl overrate players on here.

 

[Dread Clawz]

Part of the problem with the Kings I think is they already traded their ‘22 1st, so are TL likely to trade ‘23, and unlike the Penguins, I can’t bank on their ‘25 and ‘26 1sts being early. So it doesn’t make sense to delay.

Okay, so maybe a good prospect? Well Byfield and Clarke are off the table. Untouchable. I guess Vilardi probably is, too.

Turcotte, Kupri, Durzi, Spence, Grans, Fagemo, etc - these are not 1st round equivalents. They just aren’t. Maybe Rob Blake thinks they are. Maybe that’s part of the problem.

It also seems he wants to dump Walker without giving up a decent asset. Which, I’ll be honest, makes sense to me. Walker isn’t that bad and he isn’t that overpaid. He’s not great and he should make less, but he’s not heavy negative value, I don’t think.

For me, no deal with LA makes sense if it doesn’t include Kaliyev. He’s playing on the 4th line and eating some scratches lately. He’s not as untouchable as Clarke or QB. But he’s definitely more appealing than Turcotte or Kupari. To me, he represents a real compromise for both sides.

I think a 1st, Kaliyev, Durzi, and Walker would get it done, and the Kings should do that. They would have 3 runs with Chychrun. The Avs are still great, but until they figure out the #2 C spot, they aren't last year's Avs. Vegas is good but aging fast. Dallas is a pretty good team, but not a juggernaut. The Kings could do some things over the next few years.

 

[FSL KINGS]

A forward having more goals than a D-man? Who would have thought??

EDIT: Chych also has 28 pts in 36 games while your golden boy winger has 22 pts in 41 games...How do you explain that one?

They are both used as PP specialists in the same spot. Chychrun gets more time & AZ is feeding him on the PP while Kaliyev is on the second PP & not fed.

Chychrun is at 21 assists. I've watched Muzzin rack up 30 assist seasons from playing on the PP & chipping the puck to the top line players. Unmoved by your assist total argument.

Chychrun would fill the same location on the PP as Kaliyev if traded for. Kaliyev at 122 games into his NHL career is preforming about equally, arguably better on the PP & costs around 1M.

If Chychrun isn't a major upgrade on the PP why would the King's be interested in his offense & willing to pay for it when they could just add a shutdown D in free agency this summer?

 

[PainForShane]

AZ meanwhile wants to dump 5M of Chychrun salary without taking anything back. How much did we decide moving out 4.6M over 2more seasons was going to cost?

Here's a fun fact, Cal is owed 11M in real money over the next 2 years. We all know what AZ fans have asked to move that contract in this thread. Chychrun is owed 12.4M over that same time. AZ is literally asking 2X 1st & to move out a bigger contract than Cal's for free.

Walker is owed 3.35M over 1 more year & apparently that held the deal up. Chychrun has a 1M bonus next year. Those get paid around UFA day in the summer? Expect Chychrun gone by then if money really is that tight.

Kaliyev is a non starter. He is getting 2nd PP & has more goals than Chychrun, who is also used as a PP left-handed shot. He is getting scratched because Kaliyev is coming back from injury. He is on the 4th line because Todd is insane.

Here's another fun fact, Chychrun is a 24 year old borderline 1D while Cal Petersen is in the minors and has had his roster spot taken by some undrafted goalie from the North Pole. Only one of these players has positive value maybe you can guess which one.

Wtf are you on about

 

[BigKing]

Part of the problem with the Kings I think is they already traded their ‘22 1st, so are TL likely to trade ‘23, and unlike the Penguins, I can’t bank on their ‘25 and ‘26 1sts being early. So it doesn’t make sense to delay.

Okay, so maybe a good prospect? Well Byfield and Clarke are off the table. Untouchable. I guess Vilardi probably is, too.

Turcotte, Kupri, Durzi, Spence, Grans, Fagemo, etc - these are not 1st round equivalents. They just aren’t. Maybe Rob Blake thinks they are. Maybe that’s part of the problem.

It also seems he wants to dump Walker without giving up a decent asset. Which, I’ll be honest, makes sense to me. Walker isn’t that bad and he isn’t that overpaid. He’s not great and he should make less, but he’s not heavy negative value, I don’t think.

For me, no deal with LA makes sense if it doesn’t include Kaliyev. He’s playing on the 4th line and eating some scratches lately. He’s not as untouchable as Clarke or QB. But he’s definitely more appealing than Turcotte or Kupari. To me, he represents a real compromise for both sides.

I'd rather trade Vilardi than Kaliyev.

 

[Emerica]

I believe something is brewing. It might happen by the deadline, but if not, most likely during the offseason. Sources are telling me there are multiple teams in the mix. Don't be surprised if it happens in the next few days.

Hearing picks and/or players are involved.