Speculation: Jakob Chychrun being held out of the Coyotes lineup until a trade is completed

[MadeUpName]

Correct. They require market price payment for dumps. They’re viewing it as “two separate transactions” (direct quote from Friedman).

Carolina coming in after losing out on Meier would require no Cap dumps or retention. Just futures for Chychrun.

I wouldn't be surprised if they moved on him at 1st + 1st + 2nd. Or the equivalent prospects. They apparently offered 6 pieces for Meier at the end (1st + 2nd + 4 B assets)

 

[rt]

looking like an offseason trade where his ntc kicks in lol

It’s Monday. Today is Monday. Friday comes at the END of the week. This is the beginning of the week.

Carolina coming in after losing out on Meier would require no Cap dumps or retention. Just futures for Chychrun.

I wouldn't be surprised if they moved on him at 1st + 1st + 2nd. Or the equivalent prospects. They apparently offered 6 pieces for Meier at the end (1st + 2nd + 4 B assets)

I’d take just the three picks from Carolina and be happy. If I could get Nikishin or Morrow instead of one, I’d be thrilled. Especially Nikishin (obviously). But if not, no bigggie. Would be happy with the picks.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Would zona have more interest in Lemieux as a 'cap dump' than Walker? Some minor league transaction got me wondering.

 

[rt]

Would zona have more interest in Lemieux as a 'cap dump' than Walker? Some minor league transaction got me wondering.

Yes. He’s cheaper and signed to less term.

 

[islandersbob]

Correct. They require market price payment for dumps. They’re viewing it as “two separate transactions” (direct quote from Friedman).

Market value is quite low for taking on salary. That is definitely NOT the deal breaker, unless Arizona wants market value+++ for taking on some salary, which I'm sure every GM will balk at and look elsewhere to improve their team.

Between the Boston-Washington deal and the St. Louis-Toronto deal, Minnesota retained $3 million in salary and got 4th and 5th round picks.

 

[hbk]

Market value is quite low for taking on salary. That is definitely NOT the deal breaker, unless Arizona wants market value+++ for taking on some salary, which I'm sure every GM will balk at and look elsewhere to improve their team.

Between the Boston-Washington deal and the St. Louis-Toronto deal, Minnesota retained $3 million in salary and got 4th and 5th round picks.

I think total $ out by Minni is about $100K per transaction. That is likely doable but if aZ is eating term as well the expectation is the price they received for Ladd, Nemeth, etc. they aren’t going to take on Cal Peterson’s deal because he makes more yhan Chychrun the next 2 years. That made absolutely no sense for AZ. Especially when they have very good goaltending at a fraction of the cost.

 

[unicornpig]

It’s Monday. Today is Monday. Friday comes at the END of the week. This is the beginning of the week.


I’d take just the three picks from Carolina and be happy. If I could get Nikishin or Morrow instead of one, I’d be thrilled. Especially Nikishin (obviously). But if not, no bigggie. Would be happy with the picks.

What suitors are left besides the kings lol

 

[rt]

What suitors are left besides the kings lol

Washington, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Columbus, St Louis and Ottawa are all being mentioned by national “insiders” today.

 

[hbk]

Washington, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Columbus, St Louis and Ottawa are all being mentioned by national “insiders” today.

You forgot about Buffalo and Edmonton as well. They also mentioned Florida but we all don’t think they have the assets.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

I'm suspect that @rt in fact is Bill Armstrong

 

[JoeSakic13]

I think the true question now is, who is going to re-train Chychrun how to hockey?

 

[allsilverdreams]

What would it take Buffalo to land him??

 

[VinceFerrol]

You forgot about Buffalo and Edmonton as well. They also mentioned Florida but we all don’t think they have the assets.

Buffalo has assets, but are not inclined to use them as they feel like this year is too early to tinker with their plan

 

[toddkaz]

What would it take Buffalo to land him??

I am thinking a 1st, 2nd and 2 B Level Prospects.

The ask might be for more but I don't see high end prospects in the other trades either.

 

[Selanne00008]

Im not sure thats the part that is the problem. Its that the teams that want him need Arizona to take back cap and the ownership is saying absolutely not. Either that or the compensation Armstrong is asking for to take back cap is too much.

What about, from the Sabres: Rosen and 2 2nd rounders. If that doesn't get it done, the Sabres don't need Arizona who is cash strapped to retain. Is there any other Cap dump the Sabres could take on? That way arizona can then use some of the extra space to recoup another prospect/pick?

Sabres should have room to take on a small cap dump that's expiring.

 

[Schmooley]

What about, from the Sabres: Rosen and 2 2nd rounders. If that doesn't get it done, the Sabres don't need Arizona who is cash strapped to retain. Is there any other Cap dump the Sabres could take on? That way arizona can then use some of the extra space to recoup another prospect/pick?

Sabres should have room to take on a small cap dump that's expiring.

Im not a Coyotes fan so I dont think I can say what is fair or not for them. But Id imagine a first round pick has to be involved.

 

[Bandit]

Guy is goig to forget how to play hockey by the time he's traded. Will probably break a bone the first time he steps back on the ice for his new team too...

 

[Selanne00008]

Im not a Coyotes fan so I dont think I can say what is fair or not for them. But Id imagine a first round pick has to be involved.

Well... Rosen was a 1st round pick just last year. Sabres have 3 2nd round pikcs this draft, one of them being Philly who should be around 41st. That's not far off from a value stand point from say, Carolina's first rounder which could easily be 30th.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Two 1sts and a 2nd has been the ask, it’s always been extremely fair, and it looks more and more fair by the hour at this point. It’s a bargain.

Generally agree, but if that's really the case straight up with no complications, it would have been done by now...as as you mention...

Correct. They require market price payment for dumps. They’re viewing it as “two separate transactions” (direct quote from Friedman).

...the Kings/Yotes deal allegedly hung up on a salary move (Walker? Etc.), which seems like a petty detail at this point.

Not saying this is a bad thing necessarily but Armstrong is coming off as extremely stubborn which is why it makes sense suitors are starting to turn elsewhere.

 

[BCNate]

As much as a few teams have loaded up, I See the Devils and Islanders as the only teams that have landed true difference makes. Chychrun, Kane and Karlsson are going to have a much bigger impact on the race than the Bruins, Bolts and Leafs moves over the weekend. Gonna be a real interesting week ahead.

 

[fm]

very surprised the PA is ok with this guy sitting out for... how long is it now? unless he really wants out himself and is truly willing.

 

[Yatzhee]

very surprised the PA is ok with this guy sitting out for... how long is it now? unless he really wants out himself and is truly willing.

The PA has no say in healthy scratches, regardless as to the reason behind it. It honestly baffles me how some believe the NHLPA or the NHL for that matter have some sort of input on a team's roster if all contractual guidelines are being met.

 

[Faterson]

I believe that one day, philosophers will be examining this thread to illustrate the phenomenon known as endless void.

 

[Flying Dego]

Chychrun to the Pens makes some sense if Dumolin is shipped out for a 2nd.

I could see a last minute deal when Arizona folds a bit on demand. Still landing a 1st,2nd,B prospect, and Smith or someone NHL ready like him

 

[fm]

The PA has no say in healthy scratches, regardless as to the reason behind it. It honestly baffles me how some believe the NHLPA or the NHL for that matter have some sort of input on a team's roster if all contractual guidelines are being met.

The PA and the league have both interceded to defend the 'spirit' of the CBA, competition, the nature of the game, etc, regardless of the letter of the law or contract. More so the league than the union. Many times.

Avery rule. Kovalchuk rule. Ever see Campbell's emails that were exposed during discovery? These are just the scenarios that have bubbled out to the media.