Speculation: Jakob Chychrun being held out of the Coyotes lineup until a trade is completed

[GhostofYotesFan47]

My point was that it's extremely reasonable to suggest that the team is having sit out as all indications are pointing that way.

Furthermore with the lottery this year and the Yotes position in the standings at the time and how long he has been kept out also clearly is bad optics and proof isn't needed here to have a valid opinion on it as it's a bad look in term of being competitive if you can't see that then I just don't know what to say.

I see. We won't see eye to eye on this I think. I'm of the opinion that competitiveness and the desire to make a team competitive can stretch beyond a single season, as any tanking team would indicate. Sitting Chychrun is no worse than any team selling its best players for picks, you're decreasing your chance for success today to increase you chance at larger success later. I'm on board with that because I believe everything is cyclical, so inevitably a team will be bad at some point. Might as well make the most of the situation when you're in it. Or we can keep doing what we've done for 25 years and eventually be moved to a new market, because I've been a fan for 25 years to not win a championship in my hometown.

Also, I'm fine with the suggestion or even someone saying the probability is high, it was the absolution the poster had in his responses that bothered me. I'm going to defend my favorite team unless they deserve to take it in the mouth, AM and BA don't (yet, hopefully never).

 

[rt]

We were told Leafs don't have the assets and this gets it done? Knies is just as good of a prospect as Lysell, our first is going to be a better pick. Lohrej is nothing special at all Leafs have tons of these prospects.

Have to think it takes more than this

The Leafs don’t have tons of Lohreis. Haha.

 

[HockeyVirus]

The Leafs don’t have tons of Lohreis. Haha.

Both Neimela and Minten are similar prospects

 

[The don godfather]

We were told Leafs don't have the assets and this gets it done? Knies is just as good of a prospect as Lysell, our first is going to be a better pick. Lohrej is nothing special at all Leafs have tons of these prospects.

Have to think it takes more than this

Lysell I believe is a better prospect then knives not too sure?

 

[rt]

Lysell I believe is a better prospect then knives not too sure?

It’s close, but as a Yotes fan, I’d take Knies (local connection) But I’d rather have Lohrei than Niemela.

 

[hbk]

McDonagh didn't play for Tampa for quite a few games after he was dealt, so your belief is wrong, as I've pointed out in another thread.

It appears Hall missed 5 games over 11 days.

No more excuses to keep Chychrun out. Play him, or move him.

Gavirkov, you're next to play.

Coyotes can state they're doing what the Devils did before, but this is how long they got. Anything past 5 games should be fines of draft picks if thet choose not to play, or facilitate a trade of these players.

Chychrun has been out 9 days. Let’s talk weds.

 

[rt]

Chychrun has been out 9 days. Let’s talk weds.

Why are we conceding that Hall’s duration was reasonable but one game or one day more in Chychrun’s case would be an outrage? Haha. This is what the trolls want.

 

[hbk]

Why are we conceding that Hall’s duration was reasonable but one game or one day more in Chychrun’s case would be an outrage? Haha. This is what the trolls want.

I’m not conceding anything. Just pointing out that this isn’t even a issue for another 2 days.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Chychrun has been out 9 days. Let’s talk weds.

Last game was February 10th. I'm just going by last game.

Either way, even though Arizona is maybe playing better now, teams can't just keep players out so they don't get hurt. If there isn't a trade fairly close, don't hold out players.

 

[HockeyVirus]

It’s close, but as a Yotes fan, I’d take Knies (local connection) But I’d rather have Lohrei than Niemela.

So like I said, it's a similar package. The first will be better too

 

[Coach Parker]

Boston plays Thursday in Seattle. Their acquisition will be in the lineup then as well as Vancouver.

 

[hbk]

Last game was February 10th. I'm just going by last game.

Either way, even though Arizona is maybe playing better now, teams can't just keep players out so they don't get hurt. If there isn't a trade fairly close, don't hold out players.

First game he sat out was the 11th.

What AZ is doing isn’t unprecedented. It’s happened before and nobody cared. That’s the point. It’s only an issue because people have now decided it’s now an issue. Why? Because it’s Arizona.

AZ could just say it’s for player safety reasons. Don’t want a distracted player to get hurt.

Regardless all that is going to happen is teams will lie going forward. Zero transparency. Player scratched for GM discretion. Transparency dies.

 

[BB88]

First game he sat out was the 11th.

What AZ is doing isn’t unprecedented. It’s happened before and nobody cared. That’s the point. It’s only an issue because people have now decided it’s now an issue. Why? Because it’s Arizona.

AZ could just say it’s for player safety reasons. Don’t want a distracted player to get hurt.

Regardless all that is going to happen is teams will lie going forward. Zero transparency. Player scratched for GM discretion. Transparency dies.

How often do players sit for a month?

 

[hbk]

How often do players sit for a month?

I’m sitting right now.

They sit on the plane. The bench. In their car. So lots?

How often are they healthy scratched? Some players more than others. Bissonnete sat over half the games. Some players sit when they have any nick because their are other alternatives.

This is a $10-$12M contract that they are moving off their books. That’s it. BA only has to answer to his owner. That’s his task. Get the contract off the books. Acquire assets. He gets hurt and the owner has to eat another year of that deal then BA has to answer for that.

 

[rt]

So like I said, it's a similar package. The first will be better too

Toronto doesn’t have a ‘23 1st? I think we’re miscommunicating.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Toronto doesn’t have a ‘23 1st? I think we’re miscommunicating.

Before this deal I was saying this package wasn't enough per people in this thread, so I am saying the Bruins package doesn't get it done either

 

[wetcoast]

Why are we conceding that Hall’s duration was reasonable but one game or one day more in Chychrun’s case would be an outrage? Haha. This is what the trolls want.

You are arguing with yourself here, no one who is talking about sportsmanship and competiveness was okay with Hall sitting out nor have they mentioned it.

It's a typical 2 wrongs make a right type of argument.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

It’s close, but as a Yotes fan, I’d take Knies (local connection) But I’d rather have Lohrei than Niemela.

Interesting. Lohei has the size and has shown some offensive potential but Niemela has dominated both his age level (world juniors) and against men at a young age (voted best defenseman of his country). There has been lots of talk about his defensive ability as well.
Not sure Lohei's ceiling is higher than Niemela's floor as a second pairing dman.

 

[RemoAZ]

If Chychrun is still in Arizona post deadline they deserve to lose their shot at Bedard

We all know we're not getting Bedard. If there was a cup for meaningless wins, we'd need another arena we're not going to get to house those cups. The less we need the points, the better this team plays. Count on it. You have to be able to take a lot of punishment to be a Coyotes fan. Not a lot of p***yes in this fan base.

 

[lanky]

Before this deal I was saying this package wasn't enough per people in this thread, so I am saying the Bruins package doesn't get it done either

'23 1st, Knies and a 2nd would have certainly been enough.
Coyotes fans have been pretty clear about that throughout this long thread.
Leafs fans have mostly asserted in this thread that they wouldn't do that. And they were right.

 

[JTeller97]

• "Many around the NHL still believe the Kings are in the thick of things in the Jakob Chychrun race. We’ll see where things go, but with the Bruins presumably focused on Vladislav Gavrikov, unless another team comes out of the woodwork – some have suggested St. Louis and Columbus – LA remains in the lead." Per Pagnotta FWIW

 

[Djp]

• "Many around the NHL still believe the Kings are in the thick of things in the Jakob Chychrun race. We’ll see where things go, but with the Bruins presumably focused on Vladislav Gavrikov, unless another team comes out of the woodwork – some have suggested St. Louis and Columbus – LA remains in the lead." Per Pagnotta FWIW

Kings would be an obvious one with a LD need.

i don’t see St. Louis in It Nor other non playoff teams. Of course this coukd change at the draft/ start of free agency.

 

[FSL KINGS]

That’s a false dichotomy. He’s neither of those things. Looking at the last handful of trades involving first round picks for players, one can see pretty quickly that the ask is reasonable.

Your valuations are a bit off. Horvat for instance would have a larger impact on a team than Chychrun & be worth more. AZ didn't miss a beat with Chychrun out. Horvat was also traded for that price with the intention of extending him for 8 years. Chychrun only has 2 more years of team control before he can walk or asks for big money & walks. King's may not even be in contention during that time if they can't address their real holes.

 

[Kurrilino]

Kings would be an obvious one with a LD need.

i don’t see St. Louis in It Nor other non playoff teams. Of course this coukd change at the draft/ start of free agency.

This is where most people are wrong.
We are looking for a hard nosed LD defensive minded guy to pair with Clarke.

Chychrun is the opposite of that

 

[TwzKing]

It's hilarious how people are freaking out about this situation. How they handle their assets is their business. They aren't tanking, they are on an 8-game point streak. The player is going to be traded, wake up when there is actual news.