Speculation: Jakob Chychrun being held out of the Coyotes lineup until a trade is completed

[Habs Halifax]

I think those are all legit questions. I confess I don't know enough about TV rights to know whether there are viable alternatives in the relative short term. Long term I'm guessing OK.

Unless the teams in question (12) had already been paid ( I doubt it, but don't know) they will have to accept pennies on the dollar. Can't help but impact the Cap if more than a third of the League's teams eat something on TV revenues.

This has to put a cool on teams eating salaries as part of TDL, signing big longterm contracts, etc.

Or am I reading this wrong?

I think teams will still eat salaries to get the best returns. Owners will make exceptions if they get the returns they want.

But it might have issues with how the NHLPA outstanding balance is paid and what the cap is next year. We are scheduled for a $1M increase but how much loss revenue do they encounter? Difficult to know for sure as fans.

 

[hbk]

Sounds unnecessarily risk averse and borderline witch doctory

what's the definition of insanity?

 

[Some Other Flame]

Dunno why everyone jumps to NHLPA for things like. Their concerns are about making sure players are paid and if a player comes to them with a grievance. This doesn't appear to be an issue for them at all.

The NHL under Bettman and co. on the other hand, completely different story. It's the optics they won't like and something I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them crack down on in the future. In their eyes, teams benching star talents for long periods like this weakens the product such that more causal fans would be perhaps less likely to buy tickets or even watch the game on TV.

Don't know if the league has the power to unilaterally come up with a new rule on this but I wouldn't surprised if they brought it up in the next CBA negotiations.

 

[Gaud]

All the reporting the last week has been AZ declined an offer of Vilardi and a 1st

Agreed - as per my original post, but the person that answered LA had refused to trade Vilardi last year was also right.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Dunno why everyone jumps to NHLPA for things like. Their concerns are about making sure players are paid and if a player comes to them with a grievance. This doesn't appear to be an issue for them at all.

The NHL under Bettman and co. on the other hand, completely different story. It's the optics they won't like and something I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them crack down on in the future. In their eyes, teams benching star talents for long periods like this weakens the product such that more causal fans would be perhaps less likely to buy tickets or even watch the game on TV.

Don't know if the league has the power to unilaterally come up with a new rule on this but I wouldn't surprised if they brought it up in the next CBA negotiations.

I understand the complaints but I feel like it's a non-issue. it's just nomenclature. Just call him a 'healthy scratch' and no one can even say a word really. "coaches decision." that's it. Everyone knows better but still.

The only real reason for it is just AZ announcing loudly "hey we're about to trade this guy so give us your best and final offers."

 

[hbk]

I understand the complaints but I feel like it's a non-issue. it's just nomenclature. Just call him a 'healthy scratch' and no one can even say a word really. "coaches decision." that's it. Everyone knows better but still.

The only real reason for it is just AZ announcing loudly "hey we're about to trade this guy so give us your best and final offers."

everyone wants transparency until they get it.

Next time they should just say that he has dutch elm disease and they are concerned his limbs are going to fall off.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

It’s been reported that the NHLPA won’t get involved with this because chychrun wants to sit out too. The only reason people are getting uppity about this is because it’s the coyotes

 

[ck26]

I understand the complaints but I feel like it's a non-issue. it's just nomenclature. Just call him a 'healthy scratch' and no one can even say a word really. "coaches decision." that's it. Everyone knows better but still.

The only real reason for it is just AZ announcing loudly "hey we're about to trade this guy so give us your best and final offers."

Good business, that.

I don't understand why anyone doesn't see the logic here. Nothing Chychrun does in the lineup over the next week and a half can help the Coyotes:
- His value is already high, it's not getting any higher short-term.
- He's healthy, playing won't make him heathier.
- If he's dominant and scores goals, that helps win games and hurts chances at Bedard / Fantilli.
- If he's in the lineup, it takes minutes away from young defensemen like Moser and Soderstrom (who have a future in ARZ) and Stecher (expiring deal, might be of some interest) and Gostisbehere (expiring deal, certainly tons of interest).
- If he gets injured, even slightly, that craters his value.

 

[Some Other Flame]

I understand the complaints but I feel like it's a non-issue. it's just nomenclature. Just call him a 'healthy scratch' and no one can even say a word really. "coaches decision." that's it. Everyone knows better but still.

The only real reason for it is just AZ announcing loudly "hey we're about to trade this guy so give us your best and final offers."

Right, it's the optics of it all. Logically, keeping Chychrun scratched is a win-win-win; Coyotes & the acquiring team protect their asset and Chychrun feels like a trade is materializing.

But Arizona stating their reasoning so blatantly is something I can't see the league being happy with. If a trade is made soon, no will care. But, if it stretches out and folks are still waiting for something to happen on March 3, eh, I think there'll be some fuss.

 

[Boxscore]

At this point, the return for Chychrun better be enormous, the way this is being drug through the mud. If the return is a pick, a decent prospect, and a bozo that can be rostered, the Yotes should be ashamed of themselves lol.

That said, I do think it's wise to hold him out, because he's games away from an injury - based on his history.

The ironic thing is, sitting out for what could end up being 2+ weeks is not a good thing, and his chances of getting injured while debuting for his new team will be increased.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Dunno why everyone jumps to NHLPA for things like. Their concerns are about making sure players are paid and if a player comes to them with a grievance. This doesn't appear to be an issue for them at all.

The NHL under Bettman and co. on the other hand, completely different story. It's the optics they won't like and something I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them crack down on in the future. In their eyes, teams benching star talents for long periods like this weakens the product such that more causal fans would be perhaps less likely to buy tickets or even watch the game on TV.

Don't know if the league has the power to unilaterally come up with a new rule on this but I wouldn't surprised if they brought it up in the next CBA negotiations.

Read Article 5 of the CBA. That tells you everything you need to know about the possibility of the league doing anything like you suggest. [Spoiler: it's practically nil.] If the league opens your idea for action, it might as well adopt ideas from 87,000,0002 hockey fans demanding action to prevent the "problem of tanking."

 

[ManofSteel55]

We keep hearing more and more teams are out on Chycrun. Maybe the Coyotes management dilly dallying around will end up biting them in the backside.

 

[lanky]

We keep hearing more and more teams are out on Chycrun. Maybe the Coyotes management dilly dallying around will end up biting them in the backside.

I'm not sure that dilly dallying is the right description of what the Coyotes are doing. They set a price and will trade him if that price is met.

Chychrun and the Coyotes are both hoping it happens, but it might not happen.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I'm not sure that dilly dallying is the right description of what the Coyotes are doing. They set a price and will trade him if that price is met.

Chychrun and the Coyotes are both hoping it happens, but it might not happen.

I agreed with you up until the "healthy scratch until he is traded" stuff came about.

 

[lanky]

The scratch is entirely reasonable. He likely would have been traded last deadline if he wasn't injured at the time. They've ensured that the same thing won't happen this year. The player is ok with it and the team is ok with it.

 

[mouser]

After August 15 2024?

July 1st 2023, if Thrun leaves college as being reported.

 

[Mats26]

Must be nice to get paid millions to stay home while your boss looks for a better job for you.

 

[Hookslide]

Must be nice to get paid millions to stay home while your boss looks for a better job for you.

You mean to say your boss would not do that for you.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Alright AZ, get the deal done before Saturday or we'll recall Cal & start him to help your winning streak.

 

[Jakey53]

Good business, that.

I don't understand why anyone doesn't see the logic here. Nothing Chychrun does in the lineup over the next week and a half can help the Coyotes:
- His value is already high, it's not getting any higher short-term.
- He's healthy, playing won't make him heathier.
- If he's dominant and scores goals, that helps win games and hurts chances at Bedard / Fantilli.
- If he's in the lineup, it takes minutes away from young defensemen like Moser and Soderstrom (who have a future in ARZ) and Stecher (expiring deal, might be of some interest) and Gostisbehere (expiring deal, certainly tons of interest).
- If he gets injured, even slightly, that craters his value.

What about the fans who pay big bucks for tickets? I'm not buying tickets to watch Kassian, or Ritchie or Fischer.

 

[Leaf Fans]

what's the definition of insanity?

One of them is - the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
another one is what Einstein may have said Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is more or less the definition of practising a musical instrument.

 

[Kurrilino]

Portillo has been pretty weak this year, could still turn it around but lets not anoint him as the answer when he isnt even average on a stacked NCAA team. He was incredible last year so the step back is concerning, ala Jack Lafontaine who looked like a future Vezina winner his Jr. year then collapsed and never has got it back.

The alternative is Quick and Petersen.

With Copley signing the new contract we wouldn't have to rush Portillo and see what he got

 

[snipes]

I’m surprised the NHLPA doesn’t have serious issues with this

 

[thewookie1]

If this Arizona demand is true I can't see him even being traded.

 

[Ace]

Portillo has been pretty weak this year, could still turn it around but lets not anoint him as the answer when he isnt even average on a stacked NCAA team. He was incredible last year so the step back is concerning, ala Jack Lafontaine who looked like a future Vezina winner his Jr. year then collapsed and never has got it back.

Well…they lost their actual good defenseman and the guy he was insulating with the famous last name is still a tire fire in his own end