Speculation: Jakob Chychrun being held out of the Coyotes lineup until a trade is completed

[hbk]

Keeping this guy out of the lineup until the TDL is not cool.

He gets paid to play the games, and fans pay for tickets to watch him play the games. Figure it out. If he's healthy and on the team, he should be playing.

Asset protection. AZ has yet to lose in regulation since they sat Chychrun out.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Holding him out is a great reminder to other GMs that he's an injury risk and might not be available for you in the postseason so buyer beware.

 

[rt]

If the Kings 2023 1st is also unavailable along with Clarke and Byfield, I’m struggling more and more to see how they can make a Chychrun trade work. Let alone adding the goalie swap as well. Chychrun is a really damn good and valuable piece, and I don’t get how a team can think they can get him without giving up something they don’t want to give up.

Back to other teams who could be in on Chychrun, I think Edmonton should be all over him with his low cap hit. If Arizona is willing to retain, they can make the cap work just by including someone like Foegele as a cap dump. Bourgault isn’t lighting the world on fire in his first AHL season, but he seems like someone who Edmonton would be willing to trade that Arizona could want.

Arizona is welcome to pick and choose from LA’s list of their best assets, 24 years of age or younger. The only, very minor caveat is that they get to start selecting after the top 8, which are all iron-clad untouchable.

Holding him out is a great reminder to other GMs that he's an injury risk and might not be available for you in the postseason so buyer beware.

Same for Gavrikov right? Or when this was Hall? Or McDonaugh?

Keeping this guy out of the lineup until the TDL is not cool.

He gets paid to play the games, and fans pay for tickets to watch him play the games. Figure it out. If he's healthy and on the team, he should be playing.

Yeah. Arizona is a joke. Just like Columbus doing it with Gavrikov. And like New Jersey who did it with Hall. Or New York, who did it with McDonagh. All four organizations are extremely uncool for it.

 

[banks]

Asset protection. AZ has yet to lose in regulation since they sat Chychrun out.

The fact that they won those few games is meaningless. You could prevent Billy Corgan from injuring his voice by having him not sing at his shows. But I'd be pretty mad if he just didn't perform at a show I go to.

Play him or trade him.

Arizona is welcome to pick and choose from LA’s list of their best assets, 24 years of age or younger. The only, very minor caveat is that they get to start selecting after the top 8, which are all iron-clad untouchable.


Same for Gavrikov right? Or when this was Hall? Or McDonaugh?


Yeah. Arizona is a joke. Just like Columbus doing it with Gavrikov. And like New Jersey who did it with Hall. Or New York, who did it with McDonagh. All four organizations are extremely uncool for it.

I'm not suggesting that Arizona is the only team to have ever done it. It is uncool from all of them.

 

[hbk]

The fact that they won those few games is meaningless. You could prevent Billy Corgan from injuring his voice by having him not sing at his shows. But I'd be pretty mad if he just didn't perform at a show I go to.

Play him or trade him.

I have no idea what you are trying to say. I didn't realize the team was named the Chychrun Coyotes. You paid to watch the hockey game.

He's AZ's asset. AZ is doing whatever they can to maximize the return. That's BA's job.

 

[Hookslide]

Keeping this guy out of the lineup until the TDL is not cool.

He gets paid to play the games, and fans pay for tickets to watch him play the games. Figure it out. If he's healthy and on the team, he should be playing.

You have made a good point and it could have an effect on teams in the playoff hunt ...........

 

[banks]

You have made a good point and it could have an effect on teams in the playoff hunt ...........

I can't set a lesser lineup in my fantasy league without managers bringing this up. Getting away with it in the NHL is silly.

 

[AnThGrt]

Here is the link:

Thoughts on Potential Jakob Chychrun Trade to Los Angeles Kings (mayorsmanor.com)

By the way you already seen this link and your comment was it is low ball offer.

Do not you think you need to check your memory ASAP?

As a King's fan you should know the Mayor makes Eklund looks like McKenzie. Difference one was not a big enough tool to call himself "The Mayor".

 

[kevsh]

I have no idea what you are trying to say. I didn't realize the team was named the Chychrun Coyotes. You paid to watch the hockey game.

People pay to see players play, it's really that simple. Maybe it means more to a kid who is a fan of a specific player and this isn't McDavid or Crosby we're talking about, but it does short the paying audience when a team intentionally sits good players.

 

[hbk]

People pay to see players play, it's really that simple. Maybe it means more to a kid who is a fan of a specific player and this isn't McDavid or Crosby we're talking about, but it does short the paying audience when a team intentionally sits good players.

Is there outrage over Gavrikov? Were you upset when the Devils sat Hall? How about when the Rangers did it.

Give me a break. It's Chychrun not Matthews.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

I’m not with you on the Lundkvist v Spence thing. But I am ok with Grans in this deal, if you want to keep Spence. Kaliyev, Grans and the ‘23 1st is ok for me. Even if you need to dump Lemieux and Walker on AZ. Those are shorter term and not that expensive. So I’m good with it.

I’m not ready to watch AK47 net 30 goals for the Yotes.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Seems to be more speculation but it’s an interesting thought. I think Friedman’s idea is that the Jackets get a 1st for Gavrikov and then add to that 1st to get Chychrun.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Do you seriously think that the people here who post "have you watched them play" have actually watched them play?

well, even just as an example I'm pretty willing to bet you've never seen one full game of Alex Turcotte (much less the entire list you went down), but you're speaking like you know his whole career even though you completely forget he missed much of last year. So if the shoe fits...

You don't respond to statistical evidence nor narrative evidence from people with season tickets to see said players, so whatever, keep rambling ignorantly, we're done here.

Arizona is welcome to pick and choose from LA’s list of their best assets, 24 years of age or younger. The only, very minor caveat is that they get to start selecting after the top 8, which are all iron-clad untouchable.

The problem is you're reading this wrong.

It's not an indictment of Kings' fans overvaluing their prospects.

It IS a reflection of how little value Chychrun has to us relative to teams who are more window-open. The Kings are not in win-now mode as much as BOS/TO/EDM and getting Chychryn still leaves the Kings with holes that could only be filled by--you guessed it--said blue chip prospects.

Should they not pan out, we're f***ed anyway, sure. And not even the most homerish Kings fan believes they're all roster/NHL locks. But this isn't going to be Kopitar and Doughty's team much longer. And clearly Chychrun isn't a team-carrier. So giving up the entire near-future for that is foolish.

And again withall the usual disclaimers--yes I'm full aware of what's 'fair' value for Chychrun and we're saying we (as fans, who knows what Blake is even doing anymore) wouldn't be willing to give that up. Yes, Chychrun is a fantastic player but clearly not a franchise player. And yes, there's a decent chance that some of the bluechippers don't pan out.

But who knows, maybe Blake unfortunately decides we're in win-now mode with the better teams and goes bonkers. The fact that the trade hasn't happened yet though seems to suggest otherwise.

 

[Kurrilino]

If the Kings 2023 1st is also unavailable along with Clarke and Byfield, I’m struggling more and more to see how they can make a Chychrun trade work. Let alone adding the goalie swap as well. Chychrun is a really damn good and valuable piece, and I don’t get how a team can think they can get him without giving up something they don’t want to give up.

Back to other teams who could be in on Chychrun, I think Edmonton should be all over him with his low cap hit. If Arizona is willing to retain, they can make the cap work just by including someone like Foegele as a cap dump. Bourgault isn’t lighting the world on fire in his first AHL season, but he seems like someone who Edmonton would be willing to trade that Arizona could want.

This is why the Kings fans tell the Arizona peeps to look elsewhere.
We do not have what you need because we the Kings value their top assets more than Chychrun.
Also Copley just signed a new contract which downgrades the need for a goalie to 0

It's really not that complicated.
I understand that the Kings assets makes everyone drool but we will keep what we need and trade what we have in abundance
.

 

[kevsh]

Is there outrage over Gavrikov? Were you upset when the Devils sat Hall? How about when the Rangers did it.

Give me a break. It's Chychrun not Matthews.

I can't answer the first three as a) I am not a fan of the Jackets, Devils or Rangers and b) I wasn't at any of those games.

As for the Matthews comparison, I literally addressed that in my post by acknowledging that Chychru is no McDavid or Sid.

 

[Empoleon8771]

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Hmm, was it based on Jiricek not being there, Mateychuk? Or did Arizona balk after someone didn't fall?

 

[Gilmour1996]

I'm sure holding him out of games is by mutual agreement. If not, he could go to Players' Association. That he is doing it without push-back just shows he wants to get the heck out of Arizona ASAP.

 

[CoSi]

Hmm, was it based on Jiricek not being there, Mateychuk? Or did Arizona balk after someone didn't fall?

Chychrun didn't want to go to Columbus. Not sure if that's changed

 

[Empoleon8771]

Hmm, was it based on Jiricek not being there, Mateychuk? Or did Arizona balk after someone didn't fall?

My guess would be Mateychuk and the Jackets pulled out of the deal because they liked Mateychuk too much to trade the #12 pick for Chychrun.

 

[Kranix]

Chychrun to the jackets is best case scenario for my fantasy lineup folks

 

[Transplanted Caper]

There's not really anything to be done about it, but as logical as it is from an asset management point of view, it is pretty disdainful of the sport as an entertainment product to be scratching guys 3.5 weeks out from the deadline.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Chychrun didn't want to go to Columbus. Not sure if that's changed

I mean what Chychrun wants to do doesn't particularly matter, because he's under contract and doesn't have any trade protection.

 

[Kranix]

There's not really anything to be done about it, but as logical as it is from an asset management point of view, it is pretty disdainful of the sport as an entertainment product to be scratching guys 3.5 weeks out from the deadline.

Nah. If, on the other hand this was LeBron James "resting" and sitting out a game when we know how so many people paid just to see him, that would be aggravating. This is whatever.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Makes sense

Team A : Gavrikov (retained)
CLB : Chychrun
ARI : Prospect (2nd round value) + Late 1st (teamA) + 2nd (CLB - basically 1st)

So essentially:
25-30 pick + 31-35 pick + A-/B+ prospect for Chychrun.

Retained Gavrikov to contender for late 1st

Chychrun for Gavrikov + prospect + 2nd