Player Discussion Jake Sanderson (D) PART 3

[SlapJack]

I would prefer Chych over Chabot but that goddamn PP is clicking at 25% rn so until it plummeted they gotta stay with Chabot

Yeah I'm 100% sure that Chychrun on the point for PP1 would be better but you don't mess with a good thing. Plus Sanderson with Chychrun, Giroux, Pinto and filler guy until next year when Norris comes back would be a damn good unit by itself.

 

[NB613]

Yeah I'm 100% sure that Chychrun on the point for PP1 would be better but you don't mess with a good thing. Plus Sanderson with Chychrun, Giroux, Pinto and filler guy until next year when Norris comes back would be a damn good unit by itself.

Oh man cant wait for Norris to be back. The fact that we are playing our best hockey even in absence of our 1B centre… we are gunna be so good next year it blows my mind

 

[sennysensen]

I noticed Sanderson only has 6 penalty minutes this year, and only had 6 and 4 in his 2 seasons at North Dakota.

It is very unusual for a defenseman to have so few PIM. It's part of the job to take penalties, like is a guy has you beat to prevent a goal, etc. I'm not even mad when defenders take penalties in their own end, it just happens a lot.

If the average PP scores 1 in 5 times, Sandy is saving a lot of goals by being so accurate and efficient with the way he checks; quickness, good stick, instincts, instant transition.

Put that with the 83% defensive rating as a rookie which is unheard of, D is hard to play in the NHL all rookies are supposed to struggle defensively. Good players Guhle is at 6%, Power 13%. Scary how good Jake will defend in a couple years when he's in his prime.

Sometimes it looks easy the way he takes the puck away from players / contains them / makes the right play to get puck to a teammate to start transition.

Pretty unique player, plus speed and good not great offensive instincts, such potential.

 

[bicboi64]

I noticed Sanderson only has 6 penalty minutes this year, and only had 6 and 4 in his 2 seasons at North Dakota.

It is very unusual for a defenseman to have so few PIM. It's part of the job to take penalties, like is a guy has you beat to prevent a goal, etc. I'm not even mad when defenders take penalties in their own end, it just happens a lot.

If the average PP scores 1 in 5 times, Sandy is saving a lot of goals by being so accurate and efficient with the way he checks; quickness, good stick, instincts, instant transition.

Put that with the 83% defensive rating as a rookie which is unheard of, D is hard to play in the NHL all rookies are supposed to struggle defensively. Good players Guhle is at 6%, Power 13%. Scary how good Jake will defend in a couple years when he's in his prime.

Sometimes it looks easy the way he takes the puck away from players / contains them / makes the right play to get puck to a teammate to start transition.

Pretty unique player, plus speed and good not great offensive instincts, such potential.

Watch him continue to be phenomenal at staying out the box but is exceptional at every aspect of the game. Like a Brian Campbell who can actually play D

 

[OD99]

Put that with the 83% defensive rating as a rookie which is unheard of, D is hard to play in the NHL all rookies are supposed to struggle defensively. Good players Guhle is at 6%, Power 13%. Scary how good Jake will defend in a couple years when he's in his prime.

What do you mean by defensive rating?

 

[bert]

Yeah I'm 100% sure that Chychrun on the point for PP1 would be better but you don't mess with a good thing. Plus Sanderson with Chychrun, Giroux, Pinto and filler guy until next year when Norris comes back would be a damn good unit by itself.

Chabot carries the puck and moves it way better than Chychrun. Chychrun would have a similar role to Norris. He would not be better than Chabot in that position. He's got a better shot and is a rangier/heavier d man but if he was that mobile and dynamic offensively he would be a top 3 d man in hockey. They have different skillsets.

Chabot is getting massively underrated around here. I find it all very strange how posters can't just be happy with multiple good d men. Its been so long or maybe never in alot of sens fans lifetimes the team has had more than one or 2 really good d men. It's allowed believe it or not.

In regards to Sanderson he is somewhere in the middle of these two players. He has the upside to be the best and most balanced of the three. It's truly unreal the sens have 3 guys this good and dynamic. Elite D cores are a true sign a team can be a perennial contender.

Having Chabot 26, Chychrun 24, Sanderson 20, Zub 27 and Brannstrom 23 means this team is going to be very competitive for another 6 to 8 seasons. Sustainable success.

 

[sennysensen]

What do you mean by defensive rating?

It's from those advanced stats player cards you see here all the time. Jake is 83% defense. Power is 13%. Guhle was 6%. I'll attach it.

 

[Flamingo]

Chabot carries the puck and moves it way better than Chychrun. Chychrun would have a similar role to Norris. He would not be better than Chabot in that position. He's got a better shot and is a rangier/heavier d man but if he was that mobile and dynamic offensively he would be a top 3 d man in hockey. They have different skillsets.

Chabot is getting massively underrated around here. I find it all very strange how posters can't just be happy with multiple good d men. Its been so long or maybe never in alot of sens fans lifetimes the team has had more than one or 2 really good d men. It's allowed believe it or not.

In regards to Sanderson he is somewhere in the middle of these two players. He has the upside to be the best and most balanced of the three. It's truly unreal the sens have 3 guys this good and dynamic. Elite D cores are a true sign a team can be a perennial contender.

Having Chabot 26, Chychrun 24, Sanderson 20, Zub 27 and Brannstrom 23 means this team is going to be very competitive for another 6 to 8 seasons. Sustainable success.

Worth more than just a like. Amen to this. Well said.

 

[SlapJack]

I noticed Sanderson only has 6 penalty minutes this year, and only had 6 and 4 in his 2 seasons at North Dakota.

It is very unusual for a defenseman to have so few PIM. It's part of the job to take penalties, like is a guy has you beat to prevent a goal, etc. I'm not even mad when defenders take penalties in their own end, it just happens a lot.

If the average PP scores 1 in 5 times, Sandy is saving a lot of goals by being so accurate and efficient with the way he checks; quickness, good stick, instincts, instant transition.

Put that with the 83% defensive rating as a rookie which is unheard of, D is hard to play in the NHL all rookies are supposed to struggle defensively. Good players Guhle is at 6%, Power 13%. Scary how good Jake will defend in a couple years when he's in his prime.

Sometimes it looks easy the way he takes the puck away from players / contains them / makes the right play to get puck to a teammate to start transition.

Pretty unique player, plus speed and good not great offensive instincts, such potential.

I noticed Jake's 6 PIMs and looked at a couple of things for comparison:

- He has the lowest PIM to TOI ratio in the league. He plays 204 mins for every singular PIM (which works out to 408 mins between each minor 2 min penalty). Next on the list is Slavin at 156 mins/PIM. Only 14 D in the NHL have a number higher than 100 here. Arber Xhekaj is at the bottom with just under 8 mins of ice time before he gets a PIM

- he has only taken one penalty in the last 49 games or 1054 mins of playing time

- his 3 penalties were 2 for tripping, one for high-sticking

- Jakob Chychrun has 4 mins with Ottawa already

The most incredible stat out of all of this is the fact that Ottawa has a PK% of 0 when Sanderson is in the box. Yes you're reading that correctly, the opposing team has scored EVERY time Jake was in the box. Small sample size and all but Ottawa is 5th in the NHL on the penalty kill - they could've killed one without him, jeez...

Ottawa also leads the league in PK time per AND PP time per game. It's nice we get calls going our way now, but this almost proves the whole make-up call theory.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Ottawa also leads the league in PK time per AND PP time per game. It's nice we get calls going our way now, but this almost proves the whole make-up call theory.

Or that we are fast and skilled (draw penalties) while also scrambly and a step behind when defending? Reaching in etc.

I get your theory but not sure it “proves” it.

Interesting stat on PK though, poor Jake has to be aware we will be scored on if he takes a penalty lol

 

[SlapJack]

Or that we are fast and skilled (draw penalties) while also scrambly and a step behind when defending? Reaching in etc.

I get your theory but not sure it “proves” it.

Interesting stat on PK though, poor Jake has to be aware we will be scored on if he takes a penalty lol

I forgot the /sarcasm tag on the PP/PK correlation

I was surprised at the PK time numbers since Ottawa was first in PP time and that has probably lessened the complaints about unfair ref conspiracy theories. Your summation is probably accurate as to why we lead in both. Stützle and Tkachuk draw a LOT of penalties (for completely different reasons), and we are disorganized af at times

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

Love that he barely takes penalties. Will be great to have a top pairing guy who is never in the box.

 

[Cosmix]

Oh man cant wait for Norris to be back. The fact that we are playing our best hockey even in absence of our 1B centre… we are gunna be so good next year it blows my mind

Add Formenton too.

 

[DanyHeatley]

slowly becoming DJs favourite pet

 

[Icelevel]

Add Formenton too.

Why?
You must have heard something we don’t know.
Tell

 

[HSF]

Oh man cant wait for Norris to be back. The fact that we are playing our best hockey even in absence of our 1B centre… we are gunna be so good next year it blows my mind

Norris is probably a 2C on a playoff team....not a 1b ...Hopefully he continues to develop though might be hard with the time missed

 

[OD99]

Norris is probably a 2C on a playoff team....not a 1b ...Hopefully he continues to develop though might be hard with the time missed

I added commentary in another thread but wanted to add some context here as I am not sure you appreciate what Norris has done at a young age (and yes, with significant time missed).

Last season he played 66 games and finished in C rankings as follows:

33rd in P/PG (I removed 5 players who had 10 games or less ranked ahead of him)
12th in goals (3 behind being 8th with 12 less games played)
2nd in Power Play Goals (behind only Draisaitl)
22nd in Power Play Points (6 away from 8th with 12 less games)

He did all of that while being a #1C, facing the toughest match-ups while playing with other, young, inexperience players.

He is good in the dot, on the PK, has some jam and I think his speed/skating is very under rated as well. He could be the most under rated Senator of all time due to Covid seasons, injuries, etc...

 

[bert]

Norris is probably a 2C on a playoff team....not a 1b ...Hopefully he continues to develop though might be hard with the time missed

He was on pace for 40 + goals while being good defensively. That's a 1A on some teams and absolutely a 1B. Show me all the 2 C's putting away 40.

 

[Dionysus]

slowly becoming DJs favourite pet

As he should, a coaches dream. Amazing player. His gap control and skating and moving the puck from to offense is sublime.

 

[HSF]

He was on pace for 40 + goals while being good defensively. That's a 1A on some teams and absolutely a 1B. Show me all the 2 C's putting away 40.

I dont consider him a 40 goal scorer until he does it. I want to see him be more than a trigger man on the PP. He needs to be a line driver while being above a PPG for me to consider him a top C for a playoff team. Pretty much what Stuztle is doing right now. Thankfully we have Stuztle so we just need Josh to come play and be avaliable to play on the 2nd line.

Injuries are also concerning in key development years


Anyways Sanderson is awesome and we can continue this convo in the Norris thread

 

[Ice-Tray]

I dont consider him a 40 goal scorer until he does it. I want to see him be more than a trigger man on the PP. He needs to be a line driver while being above a PPG for me to consider him a top C for a playoff team. Pretty much what Stuztle is doing right now. Thankfully we have Stuztle so we just need Josh to come play and be avaliable to play on the 2nd line.

Injuries are also concerning in key development years


Anyways Sanderson is awesome and we can continue this convo in the Norris thread

Lol…. Jesus

 

[DanyHeatley]

As he should, a coaches dream. Amazing player. His gap control and skating and moving the puck from to offense is sublime.

Can literally deploy him anywhere. PP, PK, O zone, D zone, centre ice
As complete as it gets. Prime Jay Bouwmeester/Duncan Keith ceiling

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Makar was dominating early and Sanderson took that as an alpha dog challenge and took over the rest of the way. What a fkn beast.

He was the backbone of the team.

 

[NB613]

How did we manage to get both Stützle AND Sanderson in same draft… they are the “gamebreakers” of this team moving forward. Always thought it would be Tkachuk and Chabot. We are so damn lucky.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Was at the game last night and my scouting report on Sanderson: he’s really good.