Value of: Jake Guentzel as a rental

[SensontheRush]

Lol. Horvat averages 28 goals, 58 points for 82 games over his career. Came close to 40 goals once. Never even sniffed 80 points let alone 100.

Bo Horvat in 2014-15 is for all intents and purposes an entirely different human from today's Horvat. Makes no sense to lump them together. The premise is just purely disingenuous.

 

[Zbynek]

Horvat had close to 40 goals before that trade and was Canucks best center. Not sure what you are talking about when you say he was a 50 point guy. NYI were thinking they have a 100 point center when they traded for him.

What I'm talking about is his 56 point per season average which is what he's posted over his career so far. Jake has posted 76 points per season. There's a huge gap here but for whatever reason you're just not seeing it.

Also if Bo Horvat ever scores 100 points in a season, I'll close down my account and never post on HFboards again.

 

[M2Beezy]

I can see the Canucks having interest in him. And knowing their prospect group theyd hate to give up on Klimovich but I can see it being necessary:

To Vancouver: Guentzel, 2024 3rd

To Pittsburgh: Klimovich, Brisebois, DiGiuseppe, 2025 4th

 

[wej20]

I can see the Canucks having interest in him. And knowing their prospect group theyd hate to give up on Klimovich but I can see it being necessary:

To Vancouver: Guentzel, 2024 3rd

To Pittsburgh: Klimovich, Brisebois, DiGiuseppe, 2025 4th

What a terrible offer.

 

[crowi]

I can see the Canucks having interest in him. And knowing their prospect group theyd hate to give up on Klimovich but I can see it being necessary:

To Vancouver: Guentzel, 2024 3rd

To Pittsburgh: Klimovich, Brisebois, DiGiuseppe, 2025 4th

Klimovich is not the major problem in your trash proposal. He is actually a warm contract going the other way and has no value, much like Brisebois or DiGiuseppe.

Why is asking a 40G scorer so dumb these days? I understand there's homers, but even they wouldn't say this shit.

 

[StickShift]

Guentzel will get a 1st even as a rental. And probably a good prospect too. And probably a roster-player going back to balance the salary.

It’s very rare that players who have demonstrated they are capable of a Conn Smyth-caliber playoff run—and who are still in their prime—become available.

Scoring goals is hard-AF in the playoffs and Guentzel has a track record of doing exactly that. That alone is more valuable than him being a winger, or center, or how much term or not is left on his contract. There’s a higher probability of him being a difference maker than your typical TDL acquisition. If he is made available he probably becomes the premium asset at the TDL.

And that’s coming from a non-Pittsburgh fan.

 

[centipede2233]

It’s refreshing to see dubie learned on the job in Toronto and NOW he is a tough negotiator…you can’t make this up

 

[Vasilevskiy]

I can see the Canucks having interest in him. And knowing their prospect group theyd hate to give up on Klimovich but I can see it being necessary:

To Vancouver: Guentzel, 2024 3rd

To Pittsburgh: Klimovich, Brisebois, DiGiuseppe, 2025 4th

troll post

 

[Ulf5]

Guentzel will get a 1st even as a rental. And probably a good prospect too. And probably a roster-player going back to balance the salary.

It’s very rare that players who have demonstrated they are capable of a Conn Smyth-caliber playoff run—and who are still in their prime—become available.

Scoring goals is hard-AF in the playoffs and Guentzel has a track record of doing exactly that. That alone is more valuable than him being a winger, or center, or how much term or not is left on his contract. There’s a higher probability of him being a difference maker than your typical TDL acquisition. If he is made available he probably becomes the premium asset at the TDL.

And that’s coming from a non-Pittsburgh fan.

.44 career goals per game regular season.
.586 career goals per game playoffs.
Some delusional Nucks fans in here.

 

[BillyOcean]

It’s refreshing to see dubie learned on the job in Toronto and NOW he is a tough negotiator…you can’t make this up

67

 

[Zbynek]

I can see the Canucks having interest in him. And knowing their prospect group theyd hate to give up on Klimovich but I can see it being necessary:

To Vancouver: Guentzel, 2024 3rd

To Pittsburgh: Klimovich, Brisebois, DiGiuseppe, 2025 4th

This is it folks! The trade that will once and for all restore the Penguins prospect cupboard.

What a load of absolute shit lmao.

 

[Bankerguy]

Best Vancouver could offer would be Kuzmenko +
Pens would need to find value in the extra cost-controlled year Kuzmenko brings. If they're committed to a full rebuild then there wouldn't be any value in that extra year, like in that case why not just get 1st and prospects now and start the build.

However, something tells me that the older crew there in Pitts might be like "we'd like to take a shot and go for it next year too" and if that is the case then they might find value in Kuzmenko's contract that has him locked up cheap nxt year and then pick up a young piece in the process

likely some other team can beat that offer

 

[chethejet]

dubas will need to be overwhelmed in any offer. It is highly unlikely he is trading jake unless the Pens are just not in the hunt by the TDL. But Dubas will want a really good package as Jake is the best player on the market.

 

[StickShift]

.44 career goals per game regular season.
.586 career goals per game playoffs.
Some delusional Nucks fans in here.

To be fair to Nucks fans—I consider myself one of them too

 

[SEALBound]

Best Vancouver could offer would be Kuzmenko +
Pens would need to find value in the extra cost-controlled year Kuzmenko brings. If they're committed to a full rebuild then there wouldn't be any value in that extra year, like in that case why not just get 1st and prospects now and start the build.

However, something tells me that the older crew there in Pitts might be like "we'd like to take a shot and go for it next year too" and if that is the case then they might find value in Kuzmenko's contract that has him locked up cheap nxt year and then pick up a young piece in the process

likely some other team can beat that offer

I think Kuzmenko+1st makes sense. I could see it being conditional on him resigning. Or they could add a prospect or player like Podkolzin and make it a 2nd.

If something like this goes down, I would prefer it go down about two weeks before the TDL, so end of Feb-ish. This would give the Penguins some time to flip Kuzmenko as well. Worst case, they keep him for next year too. Might just depend on what the market it like for various top 6 wings with an extra year. They would have Smith as a trade chip too if needed. Depending on the returns, they could eat a portion of the cap.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think Kuzmenko+1st makes sense. I could see it being conditional on him resigning. Or they could add a prospect or player like Podkolzin and make it a 2nd.

If something like this goes down, I would prefer it go down about two weeks before the TDL, so end of Feb-ish. This would give the Penguins some time to flip Kuzmenko as well. Worst case, they keep him for next year too. Might just depend on what the market it like for various top 6 wings with an extra year. They would have Smith as a trade chip too if needed. Depending on the returns, they could eat a portion of the cap.

Kuzmenko has another year already after this one.

Or are you talking Jake?

 

[SEALBound]

Kuzmenko has another year already after this one.

Or are you talking Jake?

I was talking about Kuzmenko and Smith in that post. Both have another year.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I can see the Canucks having interest in him. And knowing their prospect group theyd hate to give up on Klimovich but I can see it being necessary:

To Vancouver: Guentzel, 2024 3rd

To Pittsburgh: Klimovich, Brisebois, DiGiuseppe, 2025 4th

Oof that’s bad for Pittsburgh
It’s going to take one of Willander or Raty to be in the mix.

 

[JKG33]

dubas will need to be overwhelmed in any offer. It is highly unlikely he is trading jake unless the Pens are just not in the hunt by the TDL. But Dubas will want a really good package as Jake is the best player on the market.

Doesn't take much to overwhelm dubas.. just get a few fans to yell at him during a game

 

[SomeDude]

Doesn't take much to overwhelm dubas.. just get a few fans to yell at him during a game

This is a calmer, gentler, Dubas. No reports of any harmed plastic water bottles so far. Then again, he got his retirement contract so he likely doesn’t care that much anymore.

 

[jackjohnson]

What I'm talking about is his 56 point per season average which is what he's posted over his career so far. Jake has posted 76 points per season. There's a huge gap here but for whatever reason you're just not seeing it.

Also if Bo Horvat ever scores 100 points in a season, I'll close down my account and never post on HFboards again.

I dont think you understood my post, maybe poor reading comprehension. I specifically told you that NYI was looking only at his stat that he produced during the trade year, i dont think they cared about his career stat. NYI saw potential of his game improving based on one year of stat. ONE YEAR not career average stats. Did you get my point or are you still going to argue about his career average stats??

 

[jackjohnson]

I can see the Canucks having interest in him. And knowing their prospect group theyd hate to give up on Klimovich but I can see it being necessary:

To Vancouver: Guentzel, 2024 3rd

To Pittsburgh: Klimovich, Brisebois, DiGiuseppe, 2025 4th

That wont work due to cap reasons. I think it would be Kuzmenko and maybe a 4th. It would solve canucks cap situation while Pittsburgh could have a potential top line winger instead of a 3rd liner and 2 average prospects which might not amount to much in the NHL. I think even Pens fans would agree with me regarding kuzmenko. Not sure why people here are undervaluing Kuznenko so much after 30 games? He will turn it around since he has the skills

 

[Peter Griffin]

I think Kuzmenko+1st makes sense. I could see it being conditional on him resigning. Or they could add a prospect or player like Podkolzin and make it a 2nd.

I would seriously consider this if Vancouver feels they can fit Guentzel in long term. Would largely depend on what Pettersson signs for but acquiring a sniper like Guentzel may encourage him to take less.

 

[Golden_Jet]

That wont work due to cap reasons. I think it would be Kuzmenko and maybe a 4th. It would solve canucks cap situation while Pittsburgh could have a potential top line winger instead of a 3rd liner and 2 average prospects which might not amount to much in the NHL. I think even Pens fans would agree with me regarding kuzmenko. Not sure why people here are undervaluing Kuznenko so much after 30 games? He will turn it around since he has the skills

It will take more than your offer, to get Guentzal, I feel no penguin’s fans would agree with you..

 

[jackjohnson]

It will take more than your offer, to get Guentzal, I feel no penguin’s fans would agree with you..

Guentzel is a UFA and wants big money. So that naturally brings his value down.