Value of: Jake Guentzel as a rental

[Golden_Jet]

Guentzel is a UFA and wants big money. So that naturally brings his value down.

As does Offering Kuzmenko, Tocch doesn’t like his effort.

 

[LiffLaff]

Guentzel is a UFA and wants big money. So that naturally brings his value down.

As far as I know, nothing has come out about what kind of deal Jake is looking for, so where are you getting that he's looking for big money? Besides, when was the last time a near ppg player was traded for a one year wonder that had a unsustainable shooting %? If you don't want Jake, thats fine, but to try to pawn of Kuzmenko as if he is some great asset is nonsencical

 

[wej20]

Guentzel is a UFA and wants big money. So that naturally brings his value down.

Good player wants to get paid, news at 10. Would you rather have a mediocre player who wants to get paid mediocre money?

 

[Zbynek]

Guentzel is a UFA and wants big money. So that naturally brings his value down.

Pretty much everything brings Jake's value down according to you.

 

[SEALBound]

Guentzel is a UFA and wants big money. So that naturally brings his value down.

State your source on that.

 

[jackjohnson]

As far as I know, nothing has come out about what kind of deal Jake is looking for, so where are you getting that he's looking for big money? Besides, when was the last time a near ppg player was traded for a one year wonder that had a unsustainable shooting %? If you don't want Jake, thats fine, but to try to pawn of Kuzmenko as if he is some great asset is nonsencical

If Kuzmenko was a great player that was consistent 40 goal scorer, why would he get traded? Especially when he would have the term and Guentzel is UFA? Think a little please. So you will say we should trade Miller to get UFA Guentzel because pens want a superstar player that has had consistent seasons of being PPG? Please use common sense before posting. Kuzmenko may have his warts but has potential, still young and has contract with term while Guentzel may get 8 mil higher as a UFA. So there is some sense why Pitts may get Kuzy that has 5 mil contract 5 to save 3 mil on Guentzel. Plus you never get superstar players or top end blue chip prospects for a UFA. It's either picks, average prospects or players with potential.

Good player wants to get paid, news at 10. Would you rather have a mediocre player who wants to get paid mediocre money?

If pens can sign him then no reason to trade him. If they can't or want to go to a different direction then he is still a UFA for the trading team. Unless they do a sign and trade.

 

[jackjohnson]

Pretty much everything brings Jake's value down according to you.

Isnt that HFboard always talked about when we traded Horvat?? It's either oh no he is a UFA so they are a rental and not worth much or oh no the term is too long so it's a cap dump lol. What makes Jake so special? Miller and Horvat both better players were always undervalued here when it came to trades with both having 2 different situation, either UFA or having a long term contract.

 

[ColbyChaos]

I can see the Canucks having interest in him. And knowing their prospect group theyd hate to give up on Klimovich but I can see it being necessary:

To Vancouver: Guentzel, 2024 3rd

To Pittsburgh: Klimovich, Brisebois, DiGiuseppe, 2025 4th

Pens may as well throw in their big 4 with that terrible ass offer lol

The 3rd attached to Guentzel is more valuable than everything Vancouver is sending.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

For a rental?
Going price is a first plus a B plus type prospect.
Similar to the Horvat trade. The Nucks first would likely be lower though so maybe throw in a 3rd rounder to even it up.
He’s 29 years old so not sure he’d be in the long term plans.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Canucks fans pretending Kuzemenko

If Kuzmenko was a great player that was consistent 40 goal scorer, why would he get traded? Especially when he would have the term and Guentzel is UFA? Think a little please. So you will say we should trade Miller to get UFA Guentzel because pens want a superstar player that has had consistent seasons of being PPG? Please use common sense before posting. Kuzmenko may have his warts but has potential, still young and has contract with term while Guentzel may get 8 mil higher as a UFA. So there is some sense why Pitts may get Kuzy that has 5 mil contract 5 to save 3 mil on Guentzel. Plus you never get superstar players or top end blue chip prospects for a UFA. It's either picks, average prospects or players with potential.


If pens can sign him then no reason to trade him. If they can't or want to go to a different direction then he is still a UFA for the trading team. Unless they do a sign and trade.

he’s 28 in February he isn’t some 19 yearold with multiple years of development left lmao what he is now is pretty much what he tops out as.

 

[jackjohnson]

Canucks fans pretending Kuzemenko

he’s 28 in February he isn’t some 19 yearold with multiple years of development left lmao what he is now is pretty much what he tops out as.

So you wanted a 19 year old on an ELC that had 39 goals the year before with multiple years of development for UFA Jake?? Talk about delusional

 

[LiffLaff]

If Kuzmenko was a great player that was consistent 40 goal scorer, why would he get traded? Especially when he would have the term and Guentzel is UFA? Think a little please. So you will say we should trade Miller to get UFA Guentzel because pens want a superstar player that has had consistent seasons of being PPG? Please use common sense before posting. Kuzmenko may have his warts but has potential, still young and has contract with term while Guentzel may get 8 mil higher as a UFA. So there is some sense why Pitts may get Kuzy that has 5 mil contract 5 to save 3 mil on Guentzel. Plus you never get superstar players or top end blue chip prospects for a UFA. It's either picks, average prospects or players with potential.


If pens can sign him then no reason to trade him. If they can't or want to go to a different direction then he is still a UFA for the trading team. Unless they do a sign and trade.

Where did I ever say that you should trade Miller? Just because we don't want your healthy scratches, it does not mean we expect to get comparable players with term back.. maybe you should stop putting words in peoples mouths, and actually accept the fact that teams rarely trade ppg wingers for other teams unwanted crap.

So you wanted a 19 year old on an ELC that had 39 goals the year before with multiple years of development for UFA Jake?? Talk about delusional

Im starting to think you might just be trolling, either that or you're intentionally twisting what other posters are saying. Either way, not much sence in trying to have a discussion with you.

 

[Nevins]

With a guarantee to re-sign him, two first and a good prospect.Without the assurance of re-signing him, a first and prospect.

 

[Ulf5]

It will take more than your offer, to get Guentzal, I feel no penguin’s fans would agree with you..

I'm not even sure Dubas would target Kuzmenko. Not really a Sully type of player.

 

[66-30-33]

I'm not even sure Dubas would target Kuzmenko. Not really a Sully type of player.

Jake at 3M for a 5th and a couple 4th line dirty grinders with some speed.

 

[Ulf5]

Jake at 3M for a 5th and a couple 4th line dirty grinders with some speed.

 

[molon labe]

Jake at 3M for a 5th and a couple 4th line dirty grinders with some speed.

If only.

More like Jake for a soft ass defenseman who's brittle and needs several seasons to develop + an awful grinder that pretends to throw a hit every 5 games.

Instead of skill trickling down from the top, this team has AHL inconsistency trickling up from the bottom. Lines 2 3 and 4 look remarkably similar most nights.

 

[LuLover96]

I doubt that Pittsburg wants strictly a futures return for him, Dubas isn’t known for his rebuilding ways. That’s why I could see Vancouver being a really good trade partner, because you get a scorer who would flourish with either of the big two in Kuzmenko, and then a first+ that can be used to reallocate their depth elsewhere. I could see them trying to land Buch in St. Louis to shore up their top end scoring if they decide to sell. Carter would have to go to St. Louis for cap purposes but they would have the draft capital to make it work.

Buch - Crosby - Rakell
Kuzmenko - Malkin - Smith

That’s a hell of a playoff top six and I think every team ends up happy.

 

[LemonSauceD]

My best offer:

Di Giuseppe (cheap top 6 option), Juulsen (solid #4 defenseman), Jett Woo (top pairing potential), and a 2026 4th round pick.

I’d be very reluctant in giving up Sheldon Dries but he could also be included as a sweetener. If not, we can throw in a 2027 1st round pick (supposed to be a deep draft) top 20 protected.

I think that’s more than fair for Guentzel.

 

[ColbyChaos]

So you wanted a 19 year old on an ELC that had 39 goals the year before with multiple years of development for UFA Jake?? Talk about delusional

Did you OD while posting this? Kuzemenko is 28 in February lol not on an ELC, and is on pace for 20 goals. He got his bag and checked out and your own coach is demoting him down the lineup due to poor play.

 

[Thechozen1]

The fact Horvat got that 8.7 mil long term contract shows that NYI was thinking he was close to a 100 point guy. You dont pay someone close to 9 mil per year to put up 50 points lol

See L.A Kings and Dubois as exhibit #2

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

See L.A Kings and Dubois as exhibit #2

Dubois is the modern Chris Gratton. Everyone overpays for him waiting for him to hit his potential

 

[Sorry]

The thing everyone is forgetting is Guentzel brings over the aura of Sid. That alone is worth an extra 1st round pick. High IQ player that learned a lot of tricks from the highest IQ player since Gretzky. He already has a cup. He plays with Sid. Brilliantly. If your were Guentzel would you instantly want to ask that team for all you could get? To do what? End up in San Jose?

I'm dead serious.

 

[jackjohnson]

Did you OD while posting this? Kuzemenko is 28 in February lol not on an ELC, and is on pace for 20 goals. He got his bag and checked out and your own coach is demoting him down the lineup due to poor play.

Did you read my post before replying? I said kuzmenko is the best you can get in response to the poster that said Kuzmenko is too old and not established enough. What do you guys want? 1st and Kuzmenko is not enough for UFA Guentzel??? Seriously underrating our players is pretty biased. Guentzel is a UFA looking to cash out so you wont get a blue chip prospect and a 1st.

The thing everyone is forgetting is Guentzel brings over the aura of Sid. That alone is worth an extra 1st round pick. High IQ player that learned a lot of tricks from the highest IQ player since Gretzky. He already has a cup. He plays with Sid. Brilliantly. If your were Guentzel would you instantly want to ask that team for all you could get? To do what? End up in San Jose?

I'm dead serious.

So you rather waste your career on a rebuilding pens team? Instead of the surging Canucks team? Who said Sharks would trade for him? You?

 

[Zbynek]

Isnt that HFboard always talked about when we traded Horvat?? It's either oh no he is a UFA so they are a rental and not worth much or oh no the term is too long so it's a cap dump lol. What makes Jake so special? Miller and Horvat both better players were always undervalued here when it came to trades with both having 2 different situation, either UFA or having a long term contract.

Man all this talk about 100 point Bo Horvat. I was really expecting a big performance out of him against the Pens last night like a 2G 1A or something based on how much you've been gassing the guy. He did shoot that one airpuck into the rafters so there was that.