We'd be very lucky to have a low first turn into a play as good as Gardiner. He's got to be worth at least his draft position (17th OA). But why should he be traded anyway? He's young and good.
TSN: Jake Gardiner or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Advanced Stats
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We'd be very lucky to have a low first turn into a play as good as Gardiner. He's got to be worth at least his draft position (17th OA). But why should he be traded anyway? He's young and good.
Dustin
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This is literally the perfect GIF for how I feel sometimes when people drop a bunch of advanced stats. I am certainly a proponent of them don't get me wrong but too often I have found myself feeling the exact same way.
My bad. Even strength, score adjusted according to war-on-ice: CF%Rel 9.3, FF%Rel 4.9 and SF%Rel 10.4. The remaining difference is negligible. Sorry for the confusion.
johnny_rudeboy
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After his breakout season when everyone loved him, including me I had come to dislike him. Just thought he lacked hockey IQ and awareness. But perhaps he was just poorly coached and confused, getting mixed messages and very little support? He has looked really good this season and more determined. Glad we have him.
Bomber0104
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Gardiner completely blowing his coverage, letting his man walk in for a chance and goal to open the game.
Is there an advanced stat for that?
Is there an advanced stat for that?
Nithoniniel
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Bomber0104
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In what known universe should a defenceman be between the faceoff dot and hash marks, flat-footed, watching the puck?
All ears.
Nithoniniel
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I said it was more Matthias than Gardiner, not that Gardiner played it perfectly. Matthias had Byfuglien, and then decided to hand him off to no one. Even if Gardiner had been in better position, it was Matthias mistake that created the situation.
Phaneuf loses his man off the face-off, Matthias blows coverage, Gardiner gets a thread bump for the minus.
Heh.
Heh.
Bomber0104
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Yeah, you know what?
It was just a -1 Corsi event for Gardiner.
Nothing important.
Goals are such rare occurrences that plays like that are just a drop in the bucket.
Who cares, right?
Nithoniniel
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Yeah, you know what?
It was just a -1 Corsi event for Gardiner.
Nothing important.
Goals are such rare occurrences that plays like that are just a drop in the bucket.
Who cares, right?
You are good at flaunting ignorance.
Bomber0104
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Who's ignorant?
I'm totally fine with Gardiner, Matthias, and Phaneuf screwing up collectively.
It was just a single minus-1 Corsi event....
These things happen a hundred times a game, and hey, sometimes a goal happens. Pure coincidence.
I'm moving on, as should you.....
Purity*
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Yeah, you know what?
It was just a -1 Corsi event for Gardiner.
Nothing important.
Goals are such rare occurrences that plays like that are just a drop in the bucket.
Who cares, right?
Gardiner has the second best (out of 120 eligible defensemen) GA60RelTM over the last three seasons (2012-15) among defensemen with 2500+ minutes played at even-strength.
Nithoniniel
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Who's ignorant?
I'm totally fine with Gardiner, Matthias, and Phaneuf screwing up collectively.
It was just a single minus-1 Corsi event....
These things happen a hundred times a game, and hey, sometimes a goal happens. Pure coincidence.
I'm moving on, as should you.....
The one who is showing every time it comes up that he has no understanding of this particular subject. Not understanding is ok, so is not being interested in learning. Just can't wrap my head around the flaunting of it though.
Bomber0104
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I'll admit, all the goals against he's directly caused over the years have kind of bugged me, but the GA60Relamacallit you just highlighted here has totally absolved him of all wrong-doing.
I'm pulling for him for the Norris this year.
And waiting on the Leafs 2nd win.
Bomber0104
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Sorry but the only thing I'm not understanding is why you feel it's ok to insult me.
I told you I'm OK with the poor defensive positioning and subsequent goal against.
It was just ONE SINGLE Corsi event and not meaningful at all.
Holy crap, have you seen the guy's GAGORel™ these days?
This kid is NORRIS CALIBER!
It's very simple, but I'll go very slowly just for you: WHEN GARDINER IS ON THE ICE THE OPPOSING TEAM SCORES LESS OFTEN.
Versteht?
Straw Men are fun, aren't they?
Check their record, kid.
So, to be clear, Corsi, Goals and Scoring Chances don't matter?
That must be what you're saying, because Gardiner is good at preventing all of those variables.
Bomber0104
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So despite not turning in a single season in the NHL with a positive even strength goal differential..
You are here suggesting he out-scores the opposition?
The Thin White Duke
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I'm starting to think it'll be easier to convince people that its a spooky ghost that follows Gardiner and disruputs scoring opportunities for the other team when he's on the ice. He's still awful and makes mistakes, it just so happens that we allow less goals/shots when he's on the ice.
You know, because of the ghost.
Nithoniniel
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I'm not insulting you. I'm describing what you are doing, again in this post. Not sure why you are doing this to yourself.
Bomber0104
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If I placed any meaning in these internet blog numbers that you completely rely on to form an opinion, I might give it a second look.
But unfortunately, they don't mean much at the end of the day.
Cute attempt to encapsulate a game of hockey in a simplified way, but sorry, it doesn't pass the smell test.
