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Kaberle was the best at playing keep away, he was just fantastic when he had the puck. What will always separate the two is Gardiner will never have the passing ability Kaberle had. His first pass was absolutely elite.
TSN: Jake Gardiner or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Advanced Stats
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67Cup
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Gardiner reminds me more of Bret Hedican, a defender whose game is based primarily on superb skating ability. Hedican played more than 1000 NHL games, so there is nothing wrong in being compared to him. Gardiner has been mishandled much of his early career so I think, however, that he may still develop into a significantly more skilled puckhandling defenseman
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Truce?
I agree with the Hedican comparison, although I think Gardiner has more offense. Still, a good young top 4 defenseman on any team is great. I couldn't be happier with the result of the Beauchemin trade (save resigning Lupul).
Always did, would just fake shot and think himself out of a shooting chance. Seems like he's just letting it rip this year.
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He's leading Toronto defensemen in even-strength ice-time per-game; he's 51st in SA HSCFRel% (league-wide among defensemen with 125+ MP); he's 7th in SA SCFRel%; he's 4th in SA CFRel%; he's 5th in SA FFRel%; he's 4th in SA GFRel%; he's 11th in dCorsi60 among defensemen with 5+ GP, and he's 23rd in dFenwick60 among defensemen with 5+ GP.
He's doing well.
Up and down since the injury. A great game against the Penguins parenthesised by rough outings against the Rangers and the Stars.
Nithoniniel
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I thought he was great against the Stars. Had a blunder, but otherwise he solved their forecheck very well and had beautiful outlet passing, setting up pretty much all our rushes.
Haha.
Plainly speaking, he's been played like a top pairing guy even strength and has excelled in his puck possession game in that role.
It seems that most that have watched the games have been happy with his play. Don't mean that to sound derogatory, it's just that so many skip watching nowadays so you can never really know if people watch or not.
I think Jake has been more consistent so far, when he makes a mistake, it seems they are bad ones, but he is making less per game this year.imo.
He looked great last night, in my opinion. Other than the whiffed slap-shot (Nichushkin breakaway/penalty shot), I can't think of a single poor play he made.
It's not so much that I think he stood out negatively or made many glaring mistakes other than the one that led to the penalty shot against, but rather that he wasn't his usual self with regard to transitioning. I realise that time spent in his own zone, scoring chances against and scoring chances for cannot be credited to a single player. Nevertheless, in this instance I think Gardiner played his part in the Leafs' struggles. (And I say struggles because even though the Leafs won, and I'm happy they did, I don't think they played well.)
He looked great last night, in my opinion. Other than the whiffed slap-shot (Nichushkin breakaway/penalty shot), I can't think of a single poor play he made.
And fwiw, his statline from last night doesn't look like it usually does either: CF% 43.6, FF% 41.2, HSCF 4 and HSCA 8, SCF 7 and SCA 14. At even strength CF% 42.4, FF% 41.4, HSCF 3 and HSCA 7, SCF6 and SCA 12.
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Odd. War on ice has him at CFRel% 2.9, FFRel% -4.0 and SFRel% 3.0. It doesn't really matter though. That only tells us that he did better than (or not as bad as) his teammates. On this team it's unfortunately very possible for Gardiner to play below his standard and still be better than many of his teammates.
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The first comment in this thread was me talking about how underrated he was.
Now all of you understand why trading him for a 2nd rounder was the dumbest thing possible. (Many were suggesting they trade him asap for whatever return possible)
Now all of you understand why trading him for a 2nd rounder was the dumbest thing possible. (Many were suggesting they trade him asap for whatever return possible)
Is that all situations, or even-strength? Is it score adjusted? I use naturalstattrick for single game tracking, but the discrepancy is odd considering they all (I believe) scrape the events from NHL's play-by-play tracking.
Also, with short samples (which one game obviously is), QoC and zone-starts have a significant impact on results, so with Gardiner starting the majority of his shifts away from the offensive zone, and the Stars absolutely dominating possession, his raw percentages were inevitably sub-par.
Kid Is looking
So much for he stopped growing lol
Hope Kadri and Gardiner seasons so far are giving people a good lesson in development
InB4 Gardiner critics say I knew he would be great all along!
So much for he stopped growing lol
Hope Kadri and Gardiner seasons so far are giving people a good lesson in development
InB4 Gardiner critics say I knew he would be great all along!
56% Corsi paired with either Harrington, a low potential rookie, and Phaneuf, typically a poor possession player.
I think he's been excellent. Him and Rielly should be the point-men on the top PP unit.
I think he's been excellent. Him and Rielly should be the point-men on the top PP unit.
