Player Discussion Jake DeBrusk VII

[EvilDead]

Jake is better than BOTH Zacha and VRK, why do you want to get rid of talent?

The numbers beg to differ.

Hell, DeBrusk is struggling to out perform Trent Frederic. A guy that until last season was just a goon the Bruins presumably wasted a first rounder on. If he can't get higher point totals than his own line mates and is going to possibly overtaken stat wise by Trent Frederic, what does that say about Jake DeBrusk other than that the past two seasons were a fluke? If he can't maintain a 20-25 goal pace, there's no point in wasting a roster spot on him when T-Fred looks like he could slot right in to where DeBrusk is and produce potentially better numbers becoming that long missing power forward winger the Bruins have been dying to have for ages.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

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The numbers beg to differ.

Hell, DeBrusk is struggling to out perform Trent Frederic. A guy that until last season was just a goon the Bruins presumably wasted a first rounder on. If he can't get higher point totals than his own line mates and is going to possibly overtaken stat wise by Trent Frederic, what does that say about Jake DeBrusk other than that the past two seasons were a fluke? If he can't maintain a 20-25 goal pace, there's no point in wasting a roster spot on him when T-Fred looks like he could slot right in to where DeBrusk is and produce potentially better numbers becoming that long missing power forward winger the Bruins have been dying to have for ages.

Well, there’s more than just numbers. And Marchand doesn’t have 5 years left so it’s not like you have to pick between Frederic and Debrusk anyway - that’s a false choice. With the amount of cap space we have, we’d want both. Who wouldn’t want both?

The one season that was a “fluke” was his Covid year and people don’t want to let that go. The three years prior to that he produced at a level like he has the last two. Not to mention he scores at a higher rate in the playoffs than in the regular season.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Examples….


Catastrophic is probably overselling it a little.

Do people really think they’re selling at the deadline? At most they will do nothing. The team is in first place.


But really what does Loui Eriksson have to do with anything? They’re not the same style of player, Debrusk is four years young than Eriksson was when he signed that last deal, and I’d be surprised if Jake got a max term deal from anyone as players of his calibre don’t seem to get those deals as much anymore, especially as free agents.

Use google

 

[EvilDead]

Well, there’s more than just numbers. And Marchand doesn’t have 5 years left so it’s not like you have to pick between Frederic and Debrusk anyway - that’s a false choice. With the amount of cap space we have, we’d want both. Who wouldn’t want both?

Anyone that has eyes can see that DeBrusk needs to play with elite players to make him better because he can't create offense on his own. He's no different to Jonathan Cheechoo or Devin Setoguchi during their time with the Sharks when they played around Joe Thornton. When DeBrusk was playing with Bergeron and Marchand, his numbers were up and he looked halfway decent. Now that he's playing with Zacha and Van Riemsdyk, he's an offensive anchor who drags that line down production wise.

The one season that was a “fluke” was his Covid year and people don’t want to let that go. The three years prior to that he produced at a level like he has the last two. Not to mention he scores at a higher rate in the playoffs than in the regular season.

If 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons were flukes than riddle me this. Why couldn't DeBrusk post the kind of numbers he did last season without Bergeron and Marchand being moved to the second line with him? Why couldn't he put those kinds of numbers up when David Krejci, Taylor Hall, Craig Smith or Charlie Coyle were his line mates? It seems to me that, much like the aformentioned Cheechoo and Setoguchi, he can't put up meaningful numbers unless he is playing with top tier talent.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Anyone that has eyes can see that DeBrusk needs to play with elite players to make him better because he can't create offense on his own. He's no different to Jonathan Cheechoo or Devin Setoguchi during their time with the Sharks when they played around Joe Thornton. When DeBrusk was playing with Bergeron and Marchand, his numbers were up and he looked halfway decent. Now that he's playing with Zacha and Van Riemsdyk, he's an offensive anchor who drags that line down production wise.



If 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons were flukes than riddle me this. Why couldn't DeBrusk post the kind of numbers he did last season without Bergeron and Marchand being moved to the second line with him? Why couldn't he put those kinds of numbers up when David Krejci, Taylor Hall, Craig Smith or Charlie Coyle were his line mates? It seems to me that, much like the aformentioned Cheechoo and Setoguchi, he can't put up meaningful numbers unless he is playing with top tier talent.

Every player that Debrusk plays with this year sees their effectiveness go up versus without him. Have you actually watched him the last 10 games or so? Because comparing him to somewhat obscure players from over a decade ago seems like you haven’t. You just hate the player and are trying to find evidence to back into your opinion but you’re not doing a very good job of it, considering reality (like his productivity his first 3 years without playing with Bergeron and Marchand).

 

[wintersej]

Alex Killorn at 32 years old got 4x6.25m as a UFA last summer.

Similar production, but DeBrusk is 5 years younger. Also, the cap will be higher AND a lot more teams will have money.

6.25m is the floor for a contract that isn't "another Boston steal".

Anyone that has eyes can see that DeBrusk needs to play with elite players to make him better because he can't create offense on his own. He's no different to Jonathan Cheechoo or Devin Setoguchi during their time with the Sharks when they played around Joe Thornton. When DeBrusk was playing with Bergeron and Marchand, his numbers were up and he looked halfway decent. Now that he's playing with Zacha and Van Riemsdyk, he's an offensive anchor who drags that line down production wise.



If 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons were flukes than riddle me this. Why couldn't DeBrusk post the kind of numbers he did last season without Bergeron and Marchand being moved to the second line with him? Why couldn't he put those kinds of numbers up when David Krejci, Taylor Hall, Craig Smith or Charlie Coyle were his line mates? It seems to me that, much like the aformentioned Cheechoo and Setoguchi, he can't put up meaningful numbers unless he is playing with top tier talent.

This post is completely divorced from reality.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

For me.

Swayman, Ullmark and Freddy are must signs extensions wise.

Jake is basically right there as well, if he's looking for 7 or 7+ maybe you back off. You do not trade him though, if he goes it's still worth being the best team in the league this year.

 

[EvilDead]

Every player that Debrusk plays with this year sees their effectiveness go up versus without him. Have you actually watched him the last 10 games or so? Because comparing him to somewhat obscure players from over a decade ago seems like you haven’t. You just hate the player and are trying to find evidence to back into your opinion but you’re not doing a very good job of it, considering reality (like his productivity his first 3 years without playing with Bergeron and Marchand).

Apparently making comparisons and drawing a parallel are foreign concepts to you. Additionally, I'm not going to look at a sample size as small as ten games and ignore the bigger picture. And the bigger picture is that at one point DeBrusk looked to be a promising player in black and gold and then he got injured. When he came back, he lost some of the aggression he showed at the start of his career which translated into his numbers going down. How did that get turned around? He was put on the same line as two of the cornerstones of the franchise Patrice Bergeron and Brad Marchand. Now that he isn't regularly playing with Marchand and Bergeron anymore, his numbers aren't as good as they were at roughly the same point last season. Gee...I wonder what changed?

This post is completely divorced from reality.

No. What's divorced from reality are the people who still defend Jake DeBrusk and think he is still the same player from the first two years of his career.

 

[NDiesel]

No. What's divorced from reality are the people who still defend Jake DeBrusk and think he is still the same player from the first two years of his career.

he is literally pacing to have more points than his first two years and by your own admission is doing it without elite players. Add in that he is playing a more well rounded and I guess you're actually right, he isn't the same player as his first 2 years, he's better.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

No. What's divorced from reality are the people who still defend Jake DeBrusk and think he is still the same player from the first two years of his career.

He's not the same player from the first 2 years of his career. He's a much better player. He is now a consistently good 200 foot player, who has stretches where he is a dominant player

His first 2 years he was never close to the best player on the ice. He is that at times now

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

$6M per year would make Debrusk the 82nd highest paid forward in the league before this off season’s signings push him down further. Context matters.

 

[Hookslide]

The exact amount and term for Jake is probably a work in progress for management. Have to believe 100% they want to sign him, but difficult to predict his value, given his history here, and inconsistency in his production at times. Wouldn't doubt they're revaluating Jake on a game by game bases, and will take as much time as they need to make the right offer for them.

Overall, he produces well enough now with potential for more, and plays a responsible all round game. Definitely would not lump him into the category, if he's not producing what is he doing type of player. Because of that, think he'd be a fairly hard player to replace.

Saying this, it's all up to Jake if he wants to be here. Maybe he just wants to move on from the history, clean slate. Although, think it would be best if he did stay, as time goes on, he'll have every opportunity to be successful, and be a leader on this Bruin's team if he really wants it.

Pierre Luc DuBois......478 gms..138 gls 183 .....321 pts asst great... size ,skill, no heart , Attitude must be questioned , only 25 years old, why at his age on his third team...........salary 8.5 million a year.........

DeBrusk..... 430games..131 gls...120 assists251 pts....Size, speed, playing all 3 zones , can play on special teams, liked by teammates, has played only on one team , has consistency issues , ..........27 years old..........Contract????????
What do you do .........

 

[22Brad Park]

Examples….


Catastrophic is probably overselling it a little.

Do people really think they’re selling at the deadline? At most they will do nothing. The team is in first place.


But really what does Loui Eriksson have to do with anything? They’re not the same style of player, Debrusk is four years young than Eriksson was when he signed that last deal, and I’d be surprised if Jake got a max term deal from anyone as players of his calibre don’t seem to get those deals as much anymore, especially as free agents.

It's simple to me.Loui had just scored 30 goals and had value but they choose to keep him,missed playoffs and watched him walk away for nothing.Boston cannot let DeBrusk gain the upper hand in negotiations and be able to go where he wants.Anyhow we will all know soon.

 

[The Murph]

Pierre Luc DuBois......478 gms..138 gls 183 .....321 pts asst great... size ,skill, no heart , Attitude must be questioned , only 25 years old, why at his age on his third team...........salary 8.5 million a year.........

DeBrusk..... 430games..131 gls...120 assists251 pts....Size, speed, playing all 3 zones , can play on special teams, liked by teammates, has played only on one team , has consistency issues , ..........27 years old..........Contract????????
What do you do .........

Remember slightly he had a dominate playoffs one year, he was making some noise, but overall haven't watched enough of PLD. Obviously on paper he doesn't look good. Big contract for a guy with attitude history, and not playing well this year.

DeBrusk for PLD, which is what I think you're asking? Would not make that switch, everything considered, without deep diving into it.

 

[22Brad Park]

Pierre Luc DuBois......478 gms..138 gls 183 .....321 pts asst great... size ,skill, no heart , Attitude must be questioned , only 25 years old, why at his age on his third team...........salary 8.5 million a year.........

DeBrusk..... 430games..131 gls...120 assists251 pts....Size, speed, playing all 3 zones , can play on special teams, liked by teammates, has played only on one team , has consistency issues , ..........27 years old..........Contract????????
What do you do .........

There is no way Boston is paying Jake that.Just no way.Dubois a centre so that adds value .

 

[The Murph]

There is no way Boston is paying Jake that.Just no way.Dubois a centre so that adds value .

If he's comparing PLD for Jake's next contract, don't think that's a good comparable. To me on paper, lot of differences there.

 

[Yeti34]

i don’t know if i have ever seen a player with such a massive gap between his peak and floor, transition between the two as many times as this kid has

He goes from absolute garbage to sure fire stud, back to garbage, then returns to stud status. Rinse and repeat. And repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

Pick one!

Michael Ryder

 

[TD Charlie]

Michael Ryder

Ryder didn't have as high of a ceiling IMO. I'm sure I'd be surprised by his stats (because I have a feeling they are a bit higher in total than Debrusk) but Debrusk has a far more complete game and higher potential. Ryder was a shooter. Nothing more. Debrusk, with all of his skill on display, should be a lock for 30+ every season with pk responsibilities.

 

[Roll 4 Lines]

Michael Ryder

I doubt I would ever use the terms "Absolute garbage" or "Absolute stud" to describe either Jake or Ryder.

 

[FrankerC]

Ryder didn't have as high of a ceiling IMO. I'm sure I'd be surprised by his stats (because I have a feeling they are a bit higher in total than Debrusk) but Debrusk has a far more complete game and higher potential. Ryder was a shooter. Nothing more. Debrusk, with all of his skill on display, should be a lock for 30+ every season with pk responsibilities.

Yeah but can DeBrusk do this?

 

[Hookslide]

Remember slightly he had a dominate playoffs one year, he was making some noise, but overall haven't watched enough of PLD. Obviously on paper he doesn't look good. Big contract for a guy with attitude history, and not playing well this year.

DeBrusk for PLD, which is what I think you're asking? Would not make that switch, everything considered, without deep diving into it.

No, that is not what I am asking, I more unless trying get some ideas on what people think DeBrusk is worth on his next contract and if should get one from the Bruins.........Sometimes you look around and what you have looks better in some cases.........Full disclosure have always like Jake, but must admit did think he being moved might be better for the player and the team, fresh start, change of scenery type of move... I also must admit when I have always liked PLD, but not so sure anymore, I guess I was wrong on that one...........

 

[Hookslide]

There is no way Boston is paying Jake that.Just no way.Dubois a centre so that adds value .

I was not advocating that at all I was just pointing out that we are all not sure on Jake what is worth, but then you look at the headache LA has........ And you are right playing center does add value.

 

[PB37]

No. What's divorced from reality are the people who still defend Jake DeBrusk and think he is still the same player from the first two years of his career.

He's a better player than he was his first two years of his career, especially his commitment to playing a two way game and his battle factor around the net.

 

[The Murph]

No, that is not what I am asking, I more unless trying get some ideas on what people think DeBrusk is worth on his next contract and if should get one from the Bruins.........Sometimes you look around and what you have looks better in some cases.........Full disclosure have always like Jake, but must admit did think he being moved might be better for the player and the team, fresh start, change of scenery type of move... I also must admit when I have always liked PLD, but not so sure anymore, I guess I was wrong on that one...........

That part in bold, think is a problem many of us have both ways when evaluating players. Most watch their favorite team players way more than other team's players, and it causes over/under valuing, sometimes to an extreme.

Am with you on the fresh start for DeBrusk, and that for management and Jake, it has got to be somewhat part of the equation when it comes to a new deal, that will most likely have term. Hasn't been the smoothest of ride for DeBrusk and the Bruin's, but if a new deal, with most likely longish term, is going to be in place, hopefully both parties move forward like it's another fresh start here in Boston. Although, personally think between management and teammates, it's already been that way. Problem remains mostly with the fans.

 

[EvilDead]

he is literally pacing to have more points than his first two years and by your own admission is doing it without elite players. Add in that he is playing a more well rounded and I guess you're actually right, he isn't the same player as his first 2 years, he's better.

Bullshit. DeBrusk isn't even going to get near 50.