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Player Discussion Jake DeBrusk VII

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MarchysNoseKnows said:
A top 6 winger with a good all around game and streaky but good production - what do you think that’s worth, especially one who can PK?
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Not the numbers being thrown around here. PK is only a challenge in Toronto. That should be requirement for any winger
 
goldnblack said:
If there's anything Sweeney has shown here, it's patience. There's a spicy list of wingers coming in 2025.

Next year he can give Bertuzzi a one year deal. Let him earn a longer contract after. There are options here.
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Would love to see Bert again on a 1-2 year "re-prove it" deal. He and Pasta fed off each other very well.
 
MarchysNoseKnows said:
Not $9M that’s not what I’m saying. People are holding him to that he’s only worth 6x$6M+ if he plays like he has the last 10 games. Which is the rate of a $9M player.

You’re not resigning him for 4 years, you’re not resigning him without any trade protection. If you’re lucky you can get him at $6M.
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I'd agree that the idea of Jake being streaky is overblown. What I think is more interesting and important is whether last season was an anomaly or closer to his new long-term level as a mature player. Before 2022-23, take out his one genuinely bad season and he was consistently a .500-.600 player. Then last year he goes up a gear and hits .781, and tops that off with a more rounded game and a respectable playoff performance.

Now this season his production is back down to .555 but the versatility in his game is generally still there and he's trending upwards offensively. His compete level is mostly good but there is still the occasional night where it's not quite where it needs to be. All of which makes the correct value and term of his next contract pretty difficult to work out - where exactly is his performance in the next 5 years going to fall between the .550 guy who's solid enough at both ends but a bit inconsistent and not a regular 'big time' performer, and the .750+ player with a more complete 200 foot game and the ability to frequently turn important games with his own stick? Your answer to that, working with inconclusive evidence, is going to tell you a lot about much you think Jake is worth.
 
Aussie Bruin said:
I'd agree that the idea of Jake being streaky is overblown. What I think is more interesting and important is whether last season was an anomaly or closer to his new long-term level as a mature player. Before 2022-23, take out his one genuinely bad season and he was consistently a .500-.600 player. Then last year he goes up a gear and hits .781, and tops that off with a more rounded game and a respectable playoff performance.

Now this season his production is back down to .555 but the versatility in his game is generally still there and he's trending upwards offensively. His compete level is mostly good but there is still the occasional night where it's not quite where it needs to be. All of which makes the correct value and term of his next contract pretty difficult to work out - where exactly is his performance in the next 5 years going to fall between the .550 guy who's solid enough at both ends but a bit inconsistent and not a regular 'big time' performer, and the .750+ player with a more complete 200 foot game and the ability to frequently turn important games with his own stick? Your answer to that, working with inconclusive evidence, is going to tell you a lot about much you think Jake is worth.
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Sure. But the real question is if Bettman suddenly came down and declared Jake a free agent right now, but every team had the cap space they’re going to have in the summer, what kind of deal would he get on the open market? Start there and pull back a bit for the stay where you are discount…
 
MarchysNoseKnows said:
Petterson is RFA. I’d trade the next four first round picks we have and give him $14M but it’s not happening. Henrique can’t hold Debrusks jock. Bertuzzi either. Guentzel is a good player but he’ll either resign or get traded where he will - that’s the game now. He’s not going to hit UFA. And how much do you think he gets? How much term? What trade protection?
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Petterson is on a completely different level than DeBrusk. If we could land him, I'd be willing to overpay slightly.

Dellstrom said:
Would love to see Bert again on a 1-2 year "re-prove it" deal. He and Pasta fed off each other very well.
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I 100% think Bert comes back to Boston.
 
MarchysNoseKnows said:
Sure. But the real question is if Bettman suddenly came down and declared Jake a free agent right now, but every team had the cap space they’re going to have in the summer, what kind of deal would he get on the open market? Start there and pull back a bit for the stay where you are discount…
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Well the two questions compliment each other. The answer to mine on the part of all the GMs heavily influences the answer to yours. But yes, for sure DeBrusk's FA value is the ultimate determining factor, depending on how far he and his agent are willing to push a boat out into those waters and then negotiate accordingly.

I'm not great with numbers on contracts so I'm not going to propose what a 'fair' figure might be. It'll be more I'll know what's IMO too much when I see it, equally I'll know what's a steal if it goes the other way. Bottom line for me is I'm definitely on the side of the Bruins retaining Jake, and for fair value, whatever that is exactly, but not at any cost. If he really wanted to push for the absolute top money/term he can get, I'd probably let him go.
 
Alicat said:
He's not going to continue to score at the pace he is now. We've seen it over a number of seasons. Has a hot streak and then goes back to the freezer and then partially thaws in the playoffs. A desperate team will over pay him but the Bruins better not. We have enough cap space to bring in better players in free agency. I'll stop here before someone accuses me of bullying him since that's usually what happens.
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He's not exactly playing with studs in Zacha and JVR so there is no way he will continue to score as he has been lately, add to that the lack of PP time. However even when he isn't scoring he dosen't hurt you as he very responsible defensively. I think 6 mil/year is fair for a guy who will score between 20-30 goals a year and is a good fit with his teammates.
 
Nothingbutglass said:
Why does he have to be replaced 1 for 1? He's a mid-line winger with good all around game and streaky production. Im not paying $6+ for that. You can get JVRs every year. Use the money for C and D.
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How many years do JVR type signings end up working? For every JVR there is also a slew of vets who sign cheap and don't do shit. You can't rely on those type of guys in the top 9 on a yearly basis IMO
 
SPLBRUIN said:
He's not exactly playing with studs in Zacha and JVR so there is no way he will continue to score as he has been lately, add to that the lack of PP time. However even when he isn't scoring he dosen't hurt you as he very responsible defensively. I think 6 mil/year is fair for a guy who will score between 20-30 goals a year and is a good fit with his teammates.
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If it's 20g, then 6M is going to sting.

We've seen we know how to find guys who can score 15g a season for cheap. Sweenius knows how. If it's 30g, you have my attention.
 
NDiesel said:
How many years do JVR type signings end up working? For every JVR there is also a slew of vets who sign cheap and don't do shit. You can't rely on those type of guys in the top 9 on a yearly basis IMO
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Plenty. Either way, Im not giving term and big money to DeBrusk level player. He's not a core player and is easiest to replace. Save the powder for better targets.
 
MarchysNoseKnows said:
He is worth that, and if you don’t give him that someone else will. But you’re not going to then acquire someone else who will be able to fill that role without those kind of terms, if you can even find a guy like that. And that leaves aside the huge cap jump coming.
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and thats why we should trade him now
 
I think we agree they'll sign him or deal him. There's no scenario where he can walk. Has to be sorted before the deadline right? Not gonna be a Pasta situation I'd think.

Freddy and Sway I think they can do in the offseason however.
 
goldnblack said:
I think we agree they'll sign him or deal him. There's no scenario where he can walk. Has to be sorted before the deadline right? Not gonna be a Pasta situation I'd think.

Freddy and Sway I think they can do in the offseason however.
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Yes, it would be catastrophic IMO to let him walk for nothing...you decide by deadline what to do with him.
 
jake is too streaky. I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I have seen a lot of hockey, and Jake's gliding type is generally not worth the money. I think playing for the Bruins has helped Jake much more than he has helped the Bruins. Put him elsewhere and you are looking at a 4o-45 point tweener. Edit: and I since he is not much of a passer, i am being charitable about the 45 points.
 
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MarchysNoseKnows said:
A top 6 winger with a good all around game and streaky but good production - what do you think that’s worth, especially one who can PK?
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For me, it’s a $6.25M/yr deal. And I’m leaning toward being okay with that.

His motor has been running all season, but his effectiveness in driving offense has only recently spiked.

But he’s now different than someone like Ryder who was invisible (at best) when he wasn’t scoring. DeBrusk still does a lot of great things when he’s not putting up numbers. Always a net benefit on the ice. To me, that’s worth signing up for.
 
Nothingbutglass said:
Plenty.
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Examples….

NDiesel said:
Yes, it would be catastrophic IMO to let him walk for nothing...you decide by deadline what to do with him.
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Catastrophic is probably overselling it a little.

Do people really think they’re selling at the deadline? At most they will do nothing. The team is in first place.

22Brad Park said:
They better is right.That Loui Eriksson memory is still fresh in my mind regardless how it all turned out for him because he scored 30 at the time.
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But really what does Loui Eriksson have to do with anything? They’re not the same style of player, Debrusk is four years young than Eriksson was when he signed that last deal, and I’d be surprised if Jake got a max term deal from anyone as players of his calibre don’t seem to get those deals as much anymore, especially as free agents.
 
The exact amount and term for Jake is probably a work in progress for management. Have to believe 100% they want to sign him, but difficult to predict his value, given his history here, and inconsistency in his production at times. Wouldn't doubt they're revaluating Jake on a game by game bases, and will take as much time as they need to make the right offer for them.

Overall, he produces well enough now with potential for more, and plays a responsible all round game. Definitely would not lump him into the category, if he's not producing what is he doing type of player. Because of that, think he'd be a fairly hard player to replace.

Saying this, it's all up to Jake if he wants to be here. Maybe he just wants to move on from the history, clean slate. Although, think it would be best if he did stay, as time goes on, he'll have every opportunity to be successful, and be a leader on this Bruin's team if he really wants it.
 
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