Player Discussion Jake DeBrusk VII

[ODAAT]

To me that was one of his best games of the year.

agreed

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

This guy stinks. We should trade him for Trenin, who is on pace for 20 points in 82 games

 

[Hookslide]

This guy stinks. We should trade him for Trenin, who is on pace for 20 points in 82 games

Yeah that's a must do trade. Good grief.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

to those who are willing to walk away from Debrusk at $5.5 million, that's at least a defensible position, I'm not saying you're absolutely wrong, but you better be prepared for the possibility that he signs elsewhere and finds another gear.

Zach Hyman averaged 43 points per 82 games in his career with Toronto. He signed a 7 year deal for $5.5m a year with Edmonton at 29 years old and is now a point per game player who has shown that he can be really productive with elite players. He never scored more than 21 goals in a season before he signed that deal.

Debrusk will be 27 at the end of this contract and has already scored over 25 goals 3 times. He has also shown that he can be productive with high end players. If the biggest knock on him is that he's only consistent when paired with elite players, then put him on Pasta's line and leave him there, problem solved.

Debrusk is definitely a guy who often leaves you wanting more and is really streaky, but he has shown enough that I'm extremely wary about moving on from him knowing that he could easily turn into a consistent 30+ goal guy in the right situation. Taking him at face value, warts and all, I think extending him for any cap hit that starts with a 5 is basically market value and something I can live with, but also has the potential to be a massive bargain if he finds his groove ala Hyman.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

to those who are willing to walk away from Debrusk at $5.5 million, that's at least a defensible position, I'm not saying you're absolutely wrong, but you better be prepared for the possibility that he signs elsewhere and finds another gear.

Zach Hyman averaged 43 points per 82 games in his career with Toronto. He signed a 7 year deal for $5.5m a year with Edmonton at 29 years old and is now a point per game player who has shown that he can be really productive with elite players. He never scored more than 21 goals in a season before he signed that deal.

Debrusk will be 27 at the end of this contract and has already scored over 25 goals 3 times. He has also shown that he can be productive with high end players. If the biggest knock on him is that he's only consistent when paired with elite players, then put him on Pasta's line and leave him there, problem solved.

Debrusk is definitely a guy who often leaves you wanting more and is really streaky, but he has shown enough that I'm extremely wary about moving on from him knowing that he could easily turn into a consistent 30+ goal guy in the right situation. Taking him at face value, warts and all, I think extending him for any cap hit that starts with a 5 is basically market value and something I can live with, but also has the potential to be a massive bargain if he finds his groove ala Hyman.

I don’t think even his biggest detractors haven’t acknowledged the “risk” of him singing elsewhere and putting up really good numbers.

But what I know is that this has been the mantra for much of his early career because of how often he disappears. I think for a team that is going to be trying to round out a meaningful forward core for the next number of years, real consideration has to be given to if they want to take the risk of making Jake a permanent fixture and a key piece of the future of this team given his inability to consistently produce.

It just may be that this particularly down year keeps his contract number down and signing him just makes sense. He drives me insane, but a 3 year contract at 5 per? I’d be intrigued. At the end of the day, it doesn’t seem like whether or not it’s a contract year affects his play so I’m really not worried about him regressing from where he is now.

It’s when we start to climb above the 5 marker that I get uneasy. And there’s 31 other teams in the league, a few of which are likely willing to take the risk going higher.

 

[NeelyDan]

to those who are willing to walk away from Debrusk at $5.5 million, that's at least a defensible position, I'm not saying you're absolutely wrong, but you better be prepared for the possibility that he signs elsewhere and finds another gear.

Zach Hyman averaged 43 points per 82 games in his career with Toronto. He signed a 7 year deal for $5.5m a year with Edmonton at 29 years old and is now a point per game player who has shown that he can be really productive with elite players. He never scored more than 21 goals in a season before he signed that deal.

Debrusk will be 27 at the end of this contract and has already scored over 25 goals 3 times. He has also shown that he can be productive with high end players. If the biggest knock on him is that he's only consistent when paired with elite players, then put him on Pasta's line and leave him there, problem solved.

Debrusk is definitely a guy who often leaves you wanting more and is really streaky, but he has shown enough that I'm extremely wary about moving on from him knowing that he could easily turn into a consistent 30+ goal guy in the right situation. Taking him at face value, warts and all, I think extending him for any cap hit that starts with a 5 is basically market value and something I can live with, but also has the potential to be a massive bargain if he finds his groove ala Hyman.

Probably worth remembering that hyman plays with either Drai or McJesus on the reg

 

[JEM28]

to those who are willing to walk away from Debrusk at $5.5 million, that's at least a defensible position, I'm not saying you're absolutely wrong, but you better be prepared for the possibility that he signs elsewhere and finds another gear.

Zach Hyman averaged 43 points per 82 games in his career with Toronto. He signed a 7 year deal for $5.5m a year with Edmonton at 29 years old and is now a point per game player who has shown that he can be really productive with elite players. He never scored more than 21 goals in a season before he signed that deal.

Debrusk will be 27 at the end of this contract and has already scored over 25 goals 3 times. He has also shown that he can be productive with high end players. If the biggest knock on him is that he's only consistent when paired with elite players, then put him on Pasta's line and leave him there, problem solved.

Debrusk is definitely a guy who often leaves you wanting more and is really streaky, but he has shown enough that I'm extremely wary about moving on from him knowing that he could easily turn into a consistent 30+ goal guy in the right situation. Taking him at face value, warts and all, I think extending him for any cap hit that starts with a 5 is basically market value and something I can live with, but also has the potential to be a massive bargain if he finds his groove ala Hyman.

That last part sounds a little like the girlfriend you keep because you don't want her to date another guy.

Like...he might not be great for us, but omg what IF he does well elsewhere, we'll look foolish. So let's keep/overpay him.

I think you deal/build contract offers based on the player you have and think you will have going forward, as opposed to what he might do elsewhere, and f it if he does better somewhere else provided you've made your own team better through the decision that was made.

Think you bring up a good point about who he's skating with, so that can factor in, if the right line will generate more productivity, then do it - - - but that's on the coach largely. I suppose Monty can help the FO in that regard from an evaluation standpoint, but feel like they've got a good amount of history here to base the next move on.

Cost is def going to be a factor here. I like Jake, but he def frustrates. I suck at predicting what will happen, but this is one of the more interesting situations, would be great to know what's in the heads of those involved.

 

[Raleighfern]

he's got the 12th most goals in that draft (more than barzal in 40 less games) and is 18th in points. he's over .5 pts per game for his career. he was drafted 14th. it looks like he's a great teammate and good in the room. he's paid 4 mil a year. i've probably seen 95% of his nhl shifts. he is a much improved defender and can play on the kill. considering how many kids are actual busts in the 1st round, i think the bruins did pretty well there.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I’d prefer Bertuzzi at 5.5m next summer over DeBrusk

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

he's got the 12th most goals in that draft (more than barzal in 40 less games) and is 18th in points. he's over .5 pts per game for his career. he was drafted 14th. it looks like he's a great teammate and good in the room. he's paid 4 mil a year. i've probably seen 95% of his nhl shifts. he is a much improved defender and can play on the kill. considering how many kids are actual busts in the 1st round, i think the bruins did pretty well there.

And only 158 less points than Barzal.

And 106 less goals than Kyle Connor.

And 218 less points than Aho.

 

[TD Charlie]

I’d prefer Bertuzzi at 5.5m next summer over DeBrusk

He's been pretty disappointing as well. Not sure either of them are worth 5.5 at the moment.

4 is fine.

 

[Raleighfern]

And only 158 less points than Barzal.

And 106 less goals than Kyle Connor.

And 218 less points than A

And only 158 less points than Barzal.

And 106 less goals than Kyle Connor.

And 218 less points than Aho.

i know that. is there something specific in my post that you disagree with?

 

[Oates2Neely]

He's been pretty disappointing as well. Not sure either of them are worth 5.5 at the moment.

4 is fine.

At 28 years old Bertuzzi has averaged 22G (54 points) per season. I liked his game as a Bruin. 7 playoff games, 5G 5A 10P. Small sample size but impressive nonetheless. I’d do 5m to 5.5m deal for him over DeBrusk given the choice.

With that said I’d make an offer for Nylander first at 10m per.

 

[TD Charlie]

At 28 years old Bertuzzi has averaged 22G (54 points) per season. I liked his game as a Bruin. 7 playoff games, 5G 5A 10P. Small sample size but impressive nonetheless. I’d do 5m to 5.5m deal for him over DeBrusk given the choice.

With that said I’d make an offer for Nylander first at 10m per.

I much prefer Bertuzzi, as I think his game suited this team very well. I don't know if I would go 5.5 on him next year, but I'd table a better offer to him as opposed to Jake.

Nylander is on another level

 

[bearcountry17]

Bertuzzi was dynamite offensively but absolute dog shit defensively in the playoffs. Also a very inconsistent player with only 4 goals and 14 points in 29 games before being traded to Boston last year, and again this year with only 6 goals and 14 points in 32 games. If Bruins fan’s are upset with Debrusk at 4.1 I can’t imagine them being happy with Bertuzzi at 5.5 or more.

 

[TD Charlie]

Bertuzzi was dynamite offensively but absolute dog shit defensively in the playoffs. Also a very inconsistent player with only 4 goals and 14 points in 29 games before being traded to Boston last year, and again this year with only 6 goals and 14 points in 32 games. If Bruins fan’s are upset with Debrusk at 4.1 I can’t imagine them being happy with Bertuzzi at 5.5 or more.

Statistically they're roughly the same guy, just one is paid a buck and a half more.

The upside on Bertuzzi is really appetizing though. If I thought there was a chance of Debrusk channeling that playoff Jake attitude where he's scoring goals, bangin bodies, and pounding the spoked B on his chest as he skates by the bench, then I'd be on board with keeping him.

I think that kid is long gone. It's crazy how much he's fallen off since that series

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Probably worth remembering that hyman plays with either Drai or McJesus on the reg

yes and as I noted we also have a top 5 forward in the world in Pastrnak. There's no reason we couldn't let Jake ride shotgun with Pasta regularly and maximize his output. He'd help him defensively too. Only thing stopping them from doing this is their ADHD coach.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

That last part sounds a little like the girlfriend you keep because you don't want her to date another guy.

Like...he might not be great for us, but omg what IF he does well elsewhere, we'll look foolish. So let's keep/overpay him.

I think you deal/build contract offers based on the player you have and think you will have going forward, as opposed to what he might do elsewhere, and f it if he does better somewhere else provided you've made your own team better through the decision that was made.

Think you bring up a good point about who he's skating with, so that can factor in, if the right line will generate more productivity, then do it - - - but that's on the coach largely. I suppose Monty can help the FO in that regard from an evaluation standpoint, but feel like they've got a good amount of history here to base the next move on.

Cost is def going to be a factor here. I like Jake, but he def frustrates. I suck at predicting what will happen, but this is one of the more interesting situations, would be great to know what's in the heads of those involved.

you kind of almost came around to this, but my point isn't that I would be jealous if he produced elsewhere. the issue is that he has shown the talent to produce. If he goes somewhere else and becomes a 35 goal guy it probably means we didn't make the best use of him here when we had the chance.

The coaches have absolutely been part of the problem. Obviouisly his relationship with Bruce was bordering on toxic. Monty seems to have a better relationship with him, but Monty's problem is this obsession with constantly juggling lines. Jake's most productive stretch this year was with Zacha and Pastrnak and Monty eventually broke them up for no good reason.

I know Monty's gotta have some freedom to mix things up and it has served him well thus far, but there are times when he needs to recognize when a combo is working and stick with it and he hasn't figured that out yet.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

i know that. is there something specific in my post that you disagree with?

I'm guessing the fact that it was intellectually dishonest to only post one set of numbers to make it seem like he is in the same elite category is a top guys of his draft.

If you offered DeBrusk for Barzal, you get dialtone.

 

[Raleighfern]

I'm guessing the fact that it was intellectually dishonest to only post one set of numbers to make it seem like he is in the same elite category is a top guys of his draft.

If you offered DeBrusk for Barzal, you get dialtone.

i posted his place in his draft class for goals and points, and my own observations. i have no interest in every post being a beef. dishonest lol.

 

[GordonHowe]

At 28 years old Bertuzzi has averaged 22G (54 points) per season. I liked his game as a Bruin. 7 playoff games, 5G 5A 10P. Small sample size but impressive nonetheless. I’d do 5m to 5.5m deal for him over DeBrusk given the choice.

With that said I’d make an offer for Nylander first at 10m per.

I could be wrong but I don't believe the Bruins will ever pay $10 million for a free agent. They'll give Charlie and David big bucks, but those guys have been and likely will remain career Boston Bruins.

Would you really pay Nylander that kind of money, as inflated as the free agent market is? Imho, not at all worth it. Plus, he's a Leaf through and through. That's not a compliment.

Everyone wants a center long-term, and they should.

How about a winger for the short term?

Pick up @ 14:53,

 

[GordonHowe]

Bertuzzi was dynamite offensively but absolute dog shit defensively in the playoffs. Also a very inconsistent player with only 4 goals and 14 points in 29 games before being traded to Boston last year, and again this year with only 6 goals and 14 points in 32 games. If Bruins fan’s are upset with Debrusk at 4.1 I can’t imagine them being happy with Bertuzzi at 5.5 or more.

The good ship Bertuzzi has sailed. For the reasons mentioned above, but also because I rather doubt Don Sweeney was pleased with the way Bert's camp handled free agency the last time. Not a good look.

 

[JEM28]

you kind of almost came around to this, but my point isn't that I would be jealous if he produced elsewhere. the issue is that he has shown the talent to produce. If he goes somewhere else and becomes a 35 goal guy it probably means we didn't make the best use of him here when we had the chance.

The coaches have absolutely been part of the problem. Obviouisly his relationship with Bruce was bordering on toxic. Monty seems to have a better relationship with him, but Monty's problem is this obsession with constantly juggling lines. Jake's most productive stretch this year was with Zacha and Pastrnak and Monty eventually broke them up for no good reason.

I know Monty's gotta have some freedom to mix things up and it has served him well thus far, but there are times when he needs to recognize when a combo is working and stick with it and he hasn't figured that out yet.

yeah i gotcha, I hate to harp on the coaches normally, especially given the success they've had but both Butch and Monty have their own issues that don't seem to help matters at all.

I guess I don't fear Jake's future success, but your point is a good one - - - if he excels elsewhere it does become a sign that the Bs are not getting the most out of him...and potentially others...which would be concerning, and while it might be revisionism, might have us flashing back to what could have been if perhaps coaching has played as much of a role in reg season success as it has in post season failure.

 

[quietbruinfan]

The good ship Bertuzzi has sailed. For the reasons mentioned above, but also because I rather doubt Don Sweeney was pleased with the way Bert's camp handled free agency the last time. Not a good look.

Thank God it has sailed; the guy is mediocre through and through.

 

[GordonHowe]

Thank God it has sailed; the guy is mediocre through and through.

Seriously, is there anyone you like? Was Bobby good enough?

I'm having fun, but you are a notoriously tough grader.

As for Bert, I thought he brought something to the Bruins. He's certainly had his injury and production issues.

TO was the worst place for him to sign. I'm sure he'll take the dough, but to paraphrase Morrison, no one there gets out alive.