Because, as Mougenel very pointedly observed, Lysell appears to believe he can do it all himself. When, demonstrably, he can't. However, Merk has impressed and appears to be next man up.
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Because, as Mougenel very pointedly observed, Lysell appears to believe he can do it all himself. When, demonstrably, he can't. However, Merk has impressed and appears to be next man up.
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The Bruins are not going to give away Jake DeBrusk for a bag of pucks and a seventh-round selection. Nor are they going to pay a player who has been unable to sustain consistent production thoroughout his career. He's 27. This is who he is.
Yes, Jake has produced in the past, but it appears last season was an anomaly.
If they can't move him in season for decent return, they should keep him for the rest of the year and let him go. He has produced in the playoffs, so he might contribute on that score.
It wouldn't surprise if DeBrusk lights it up immediately upon finding a new home, but imho, the pattern has been established and he will go dark periodically, probably for long stretches.
You simply can't pay big money for a player like that. Frankly, at this point I wouldn't pay even 4 million at short term, because ultimately it's not worth it. The player is unreliable, and you can't have that.
One way or another, it's time for Jake to move on. I suspect the Bruins have concluded as much.
You wait on DeBrusk . Trading him at present would be trading an asset at his lowest value. The talent is there. Lets see where the Bruins and DeBrusk are at the trade dead line.
I would not trade him now, and neither will the Bruins.
The talent is there, but it goes missing on a consistently inconsistent basis.
FWIW, Sweeney prefers to deal before the deadline, an approach I endorse. If a decent deal is there, he'll take it. Otherwise, ride out the season.
MattFromFranklin
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I don't think Sweeney has much interest in trading him. A few years ago, Friedman said on his podcast that part of the reason why Brad Treliving held on to Sam Bennett for so long was because Bennett was his first draft pick as Calgary's GM, and he had an attachment to the player. I think this is a similar situation. Granted, DeBrusk wasn't Sweeney's first draft pick as GM, but he was in his first draft. Given how that 1st round was an epic failure, you can't help but wonder if Sweeney is hesitant to trade the last remaining player from that 1st round.
Why should his feelings have any effect on his logical analysis of the player, the roster and what he needs to assemble a winning team? So Treveling had "an attachment to a player". If Sweeney has similar feelings he should discount them already and focus on what DeBrusk can bring to this team and what he can return in a trade to move the team forward.
Colt.45Orr
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I get it but I don't think that's the case at this point. That was almost 10 years ago, and everyone knows how that draft turned out.
Don Sweeney does not strike me as a sentimental person, at least as a general manager. He will move on from Jake and get something in return, or let him go in free agency.
He's not going to give x money and y term to an unreliable player. If his judgment has been clouded by pride in the past, I doubt that is the case now.
UncleRico
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When it comes down to it you have to think of it through Sweeney’s mind. For better or worse it’s the best forward he’s ever drafted. He’s more likely to overpay for Debrusk than to let him go because he doesn’t want to let his best drafted forward just walk.
That’s what scares me most is that Sweeney will overpay for give him $5m or more a year.
That’s what scares me most is that Sweeney will overpay for give him $5m or more a year.
Gonzothe7thDman
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Considering Sweeneys handling of the Miller fiasco both pre and post I would not be surprised if he was stubborn holding onto Debrusk. If he lets him walk for nothing he’s just going to get hammered on 2015 draft all over again in the Boston media.
MattFromFranklin
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I just think it's a possibility. When Friedman made those comments about Treveling having an attachment to Bennett and holding on to him longer than he probably should have it made me think about Sweeney and DeBrusk. Fluton wrote an article 2 years ago where he basically said that Sweeney and company were afraid to trade DeBrusk. I really don't think Sweeney has any interest in trading him. DeBrusk's stock has been higher than it is right now and Sweeney didn't trade him.
ODAAT
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good post, and right now, his trade value has to be super low, the return would be negligible I would suspect
wintersej
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He should have held on to Bennet longer, it turns out.
MattFromFranklin
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I wish we went after him. Would be a good 2nd line Center.
I understand your reasoning, but I don't see it.
Sweeney has succumbed to magical thinking before, swinging for the fences (Rick Nash) and whiffing in expensive fashion.
Generally speaking, however, he's a pragmatist. If Jake is unable to score at this point, when the need is dire, when will he score? It makes little sense to hand him a handsome contract and hope for the best.
Inconsistency of this kind is a killer. Sweeney doesn't need the headache. He'll either deal Jake before the deadline or let him walk in free agency. DeBrusk is looking for a major payday. He's not going to find it in Boston.
The don godfather
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Kinda redeemed himself with that zacha for haula fleecing. Zacha was 6th overall pick in that draft and is a solid 2c.
Oates2Neely
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Meh Zacha makes 1.6m more per season and only outscored Haula by 15 points last season. Zacha was skating with much better talent. Haula received Selke votes. This season they both have 8 goals scored. “Fleecing” is slight hyperbole.
Gonzothe7thDman
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He’s on a 60 pt pace playing with one of the best RWs in the game and Marchand the majority of the time.
Same amount of points as Charlie Coyle who is playing with lesser linemates.
When Haula was with Hall and Pastrnak he put up good points too.
Not really a fleecing when it looks to be working out for both teams.
The don godfather
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If devils Gm called me up and said you wany haula for zacha I'd sign that deal even though has scotch and eggs for dinner. Zacha is like 26 and oodles of more potential still to see wouldn't surprise me he hits 80 points one year.
Donnie Shulzhoffer
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If I am a GM just called you saying this I would say no planning ahead for your next three hangovers to get you to say yes.
Babajingo
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I think they are just trying to say it wasn't a "fleecing" It was a good trade.
Remember Pavel was on borrowed time with NJ. He probably wasn't going to re-sign. From what I remember, he was miserable there. I could be wrong.
Still, it was a good trade, just not robbery.
The don godfather
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Ok a slight fleece job. I'll do that trade 100 out of a 100 . I think the entire hf hockey boards would. Love to see a poll on this.
All this frustration and disappointment is predicated on the idea that he's going to get 6.5million plus. If his projection is a middle sixer who can play up the lineup in the right circumstances ok? pay him the contract Zacha has (4x4.75) and what's the issue? How many players do we salivate over who are middle six talents who get a ton of goals on the PP? or are super streaky? or are center dependent?
Accept players for what they are and stop expecting them to be what they aren't. If he's a 5mill a year player who has a role to play here (aka Coyle) that is a big part of a successful team and can pop in offense from time to time then I say great as long as they are paid appropriately.
Accept players for what they are and stop expecting them to be what they aren't. If he's a 5mill a year player who has a role to play here (aka Coyle) that is a big part of a successful team and can pop in offense from time to time then I say great as long as they are paid appropriately.
No need for a poll, you have my approval on your post.....hahaha
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To me that was one of his best games of the year.
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