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Player Discussion Jake DeBrusk VII

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DiggityDog said:
If Jake does what he did last season, I think he’s easily looking at that on the open market should he and the Bruins not find common ground.
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While I almost entirely agree with your point, I don't think him missing ~20 again will help him approach 2/3 of Pastrnak's AAV.
 
BlackFrancis said:
Can't be paying UFAs for pace or what they might do in the future.

Well, you can, but you won't be employed long.
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Mentioning pace feels especially important for someone like DeBrusk. Since joining the team, he's played a lower percentage of games than any other core forward. Now, not every game has been missed due to injury, but you're signing him with the expectation that you're probably getting 10+ missed games a year from him.
 
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BlackFrancis said:
Can't be paying UFAs for pace or what they might do in the future.

Well, you can, but you won't be employed long.
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I mean, would you be opposed to paying him like a 30 goal scorer just because he was 3 goals short, but only played 60 games? Be a tough argument to make in negotiations IMO.

Smitty93 said:
Mentioning pace feels especially important for someone like DeBrusk. Since joining the team, he's played a lower percentage of games than any other core forward. Now, not every game has been missed due to injury, but you're signing him with the expectation that you're probably getting 10+ missed games a year from him.
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He has played 85% of all possible regular season games in his career so far, and that's including covid years where players had zero choice in how long they sat out. Not to mention has he missed many playoff games?
 
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Since DeBrusk has been central in recent discussions, I'm curious as to how he's valued among the LF.

How much is TOO much for a potential DeBrusk contract extension? Not what you'll think he gets or what he deserves. But how much would it take for you to say "time to move on"?
 
Mr. Make-Believe said:
Since DeBrusk has been central in recent discussions, I'm curious as to how he's valued among the LF.

How much is TOO much for a potential DeBrusk contract extension? Not what you'll think he gets or what he deserves. But how much would it take for you to say "time to move on"?
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I think somewhere between 6 and 7 million is realistic, anything over $7M would be tough.
 
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Mr. Make-Believe said:
Since DeBrusk has been central in recent discussions, I'm curious as to how he's valued among the LF.

How much is TOO much for a potential DeBrusk contract extension? Not what you'll think he gets or what he deserves. But how much would it take for you to say "time to move on"?
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I think as of today Between 6 and 7 mil is what I would give currently.

The risk is if you wait for the season and he steps his game up big time, I could see his price going up past 7 mil, although the opposite can occur I'd lock him up before the season for this reason.
 
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Mr. Make-Believe said:
Since DeBrusk has been central in recent discussions, I'm curious as to how he's valued among the LF.

How much is TOO much for a potential DeBrusk contract extension? Not what you'll think he gets or what he deserves. But how much would it take for you to say "time to move on"?
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$5.5m to $6m is where I fall. About half a Pastrnak.

I like the player, and have liked him even during his difficulties. He brings some elements to the table this team is desperate for - speed, some PK and goals that rely on individual effort rather than an entire line's effort.

But if he makes more than that, I start musing over what kind of player might be acquired in his stead. Adding a $7m defenseman who can give you 20 minutes? A specialist who can make your PP clockwork? A big winger who can issue the People's Elbow and instill a bit of opponent timidity? If the team starts fading, does it click that a 1st round pick can often be acquired by eating $6m for one season?

Like I said, I like DeBrusk and he definitely has a spot in my lineup. But the more money he makes, the more I'd be considering my options.
 
Mr. Make-Believe said:
Since DeBrusk has been central in recent discussions, I'm curious as to how he's valued among the LF.

How much is TOO much for a potential DeBrusk contract extension? Not what you'll think he gets or what he deserves. But how much would it take for you to say "time to move on"?
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If a FA right now probably 8.5

Bruins have a deep left wing group coming up behind him - Freddie, Looch, Beecher can play LW. We are very deep so if he leaves I’m sure someone can play LW and get 25 goals
 
DKH said:
If a FA right now probably 8.5

Bruins have a deep left wing group coming up behind him - Freddie, Looch, Beecher can play LW. We are very deep so if he leaves I’m sure someone can play LW and get 25 goals
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If Freddie improves from last year I could see him getting 20, but Looch or Beecher lol, not too sure if the whole post is sarcasm.
 
Mr. Make-Believe said:
Since DeBrusk has been central in recent discussions, I'm curious as to how he's valued among the LF.

How much is TOO much for a potential DeBrusk contract extension? Not what you'll think he gets or what he deserves. But how much would it take for you to say "time to move on"?
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Over 7.5 is too much today. I would be annoyed not pissed at 7. Over 7 I’d feel like Sweeney got beat but at 7.5 I’d be pretty upset about it.
 
MarchysNoseKnows said:
What do you think he’d get if he was UFA next year?
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Sorry I thought he was a UFA after this season. That’s why I think he’s probably worth 6.5-7. The question of the walk away number drove me higher.

Given that he’s an RFA I guess I should lower it all but I don’t have a clue how much. I want to keep the improving young and dynamic wing. I would even overpay before walking away.
 
HustleB said:
Sorry I thought he was a UFA after this season. That’s why I think he’s probably worth 6.5-7. The question of the walk away number drove me higher.

Given that he’s an RFA I guess I should lower it all but I don’t have a clue how much. I want to keep the improving young and dynamic wing. I would even overpay before walking away.
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I believe he is a UFA. :dunno:
 
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HustleB said:
Okay, so we are talking an extension into his ufa years. Then I stand by my original numbers and again point to the original premise of the walk away point. Presumably we won’t walk away mid season while he’s under contract.
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Not "walk away point." But you have to make a decision if you're going to pay him, trade him, or lose him to free agency.

My limit (and I mentioned this in another thread) is if his contract has an AAV that starts with a 7. And I would hate to lose him for nothing.

The point of this exercise was to answer the question "why are we talking about trading Jake DeBrusk"? I love the guy and want to see him in Boston long-term. And I don't think my contract expectations for him are unrealistic.

He's just closer to a Marco Sturm level of impact to me than he is a... I don't know. Brad Marchand. If he's looking for $7M+/yr on the open market, I'd rather move him and let that team's fan base argue whether or not he's worth the money year-after-year.
 
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My drunken thought was they should see what kings ransom they could get at the trade deadline but what if the Bruins kinda overperform in way and aren't in the selling range.. last time they won the Cup was the year after another giant letdown.

Oh yeah the Ufa thing. Wouldn't be a 'kings ransom. :laugh:
 
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Mr. Make-Believe said:
Not "walk away point." But you have to make a decision if you're going to pay him, trade him, or lose him to free agency.

My point (and I mentioned this in another thread) is if his contract has an AAV that starts with a 7. And I would hate to lose him for nothing.

The point of this exercise was to answer the question "why are we talking about trading Jake DeBrusk"? I love the guy and want to see him in Boston long-term. And I don't think my contract expectations for him are unrealistic.

He's just closer to a Marco Sturm level of impact to me than he is a... I don't know. Brad Marchand. If he's looking for $7M+/yr on the open market, I'd rather move him and let that team's fan base argue whether or not he's worth the money year-after-year.
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I did use inconsistent language but I also considered “walk away point” to be synonymous with “time to move on”. Either way 7.1 is too high but doesn’t irk me. I prefer the proven goal scorer and I know it is one thing you have to overpay for sometimes. I like the trajectory even if it has not been linear. 7.5 has me thinking he’s more valuable if he were traded for other assets; but at that point you better bring back ready to play talent and futures.
 
HustleB said:
I did use inconsistent language but I also considered “walk away point” to be synonymous with “time to move on”. Either way 7.1 is too high but doesn’t irk me. I prefer the proven goal scorer and I know it is one thing you have to overpay for sometimes. I like the trajectory even if it has not been linear. 7.5 has me thinking he’s more valuable if he were traded for other assets; but at that point you better bring back ready to play talent and futures.
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Sounds like a poor teams' Seguin type of trade in a way.
 
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