Player Discussion Jake "Big Tuna" Virtanen | XVII Nikolaj Who...?

[AwesomeInTheory]

And you continue to lie.

How?

 

[NoShowWilly]

all the excitement for that 2015-2016 season. ' The kids are finally going to get to play!'

 

[y2kcanucks]

And you continue to lie.

Except he just used your whole post history, so no he's not lying. You are.

 

[DL44]

How?

You seemed to subscribe and read all my posts.. apparently all the way back to 2015.
Yet with your agenda driven campaign you convienently missed a couple of posts.

Also your premise that because i wasnt posting about it = i must of had no concern is incredibly flawed... especially the way you laid it out in your post.

You'll just have to take my word that as a chiropractor and with chronic shoulder issues due to 8 yrs of football and rugby under his belt that my concerns of Jake's shoulder issues turning chronic have been a concern since i heaed about his shoulder surgery. Oh well.

 

[Blackjackz]

The team deserves a lot of the criticism for how Jake's development has been handled. Whether he made the team on merit or not is really irrelevant. The reality is that he may have been on the roster, but he wasn't getting any minutes.

The Canucks can't be surprised that a 19-year-old kid who was parked on the bench or the press box, hasn't developed the way they had hoped. Jake should never have been on the club, given the team's philosophy at the time, whether there was merit or not. Willie was not going to play him, and his role could have been filled by a veteran journeyman. Virtanen should have been in Junior logging huge minutes, playing in critical situations, lots of powerplay and penalty kill time.

What resulted is a kid who had his confidence shaken, and hasn't played a lot of hockey during a critical period of his development. People writing him off are way too quick to pull the trigger because there might be a damn good hockey player still to emerge.

I for one think that unless Jake really shines, he should start the season in Utica, and continue to develop. It is pretty obvious that with the Canucks roster, that even in the best case scenario, Jake is going to receive limited minutes. But playing 20+ minutes a night in the AHL is going to produce a much better player than 7 to 10 limited situation mins in Vancouver. It will build better skills, more confidence, and send a message throughout the organization regarding prospect development.

 

[Fatass]

I don't see anything about Jake's past as relevant to his (predicted) future other than weight/fitness. Jake is 30 pounds lighter and finally fit. We have yet to see him like this. If he cannot contribute now, then there are concerns for sure. However, I expect to see a super fast guy, who scores us 20+ goals this season.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Lol good luck with that

 

[FroshaugFan2]

It's totally bizarre to me that some people can think the difference between a 20 point AHLer and a 20 goal NHLer is simply fitness.

 

[NoShowWilly]

I don't see anything about Jake's past as relevant to his (predicted) future other than weight/fitness. Jake is 30 pounds lighter and finally fit. We have yet to see him like this. If he cannot contribute now, then there are concerns for sure. However, I expect to see a super fast guy, who scores us 20+ goals this season.

was he some fat tub of **** all season long but now in the offseason he has suddenly cut 30 lbs? The answer is no.

he had 20 points total last year in 75 games, 65 of which were at the AHL level. Now that he is lighter, he is just going to score 20 goals at the NHL level?

There is a lot more to this sport then just being in shape. Canucks had 25+ players that were in shape and only one actually got to 20 goals last year.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

You seemed to subscribe and read all my posts.. apparently all the way back to 2015.

The search function is pretty good on here and drumming that up took all of about 5 minutes of effort, 4 if the forums didn't limit you on searching. I don't really appreciate you repeatedly calling me a liar (which is what happens whenever anyone points out your hypocritical statements/something that is wrong), so I took the time to source what I was saying.

Yet with your agenda driven campaign you ly missed a couple of posts.

Is Donald Trump a personal hero to you? Because this sort of rhetoric is ridiculous.

Also your premise that because i wasnt posting about it = i must of had no concern is incredibly flawed... especially the way you laid it out in your post.

It's the only basis we have to go on. In that case, I secretly predicted the past 6 Stanley Cup winners, I just never posted about it on here. See how silly that sounds?

We have to go by what people actually post on here, because it's the only real public record and reference we have. Maybe you've held these sentiments but haven't articulated them.

I wasn't able to find you expressing any sort of concern regarding Virtanen's shoulder up until recently when it has become overwhelmingly apparent that Virtanen's past 2 seasons have been a bit of a struggle. That's really the only argument that I've made: you actually expressing your concern re: Virtanen's shoulder is a recent phenomenon.

You'll just have to take my word

lol

EDIT: This probably isn't necessary.

and with chronic shoulder issues due to 8 yrs of football and rugby under his belt that my concerns of Jake's shoulder issues turning chronic have been a concern since i heaed about his shoulder surgery. Oh well.

Virtanen's shoulder injury is concerning. But it is one of many things that are 'concerning' with him and it is also something I haven't really seen you talk about other than in passing -- a cursory search through your post history supports that.

 

[Blackjackz]

I don't see anything about Jake's past as relevant to his (predicted) future other than weight/fitness. Jake is 30 pounds lighter and finally fit. We have yet to see him like this. If he cannot contribute now, then there are concerns for sure. However, I expect to see a super fast guy, who scores us 20+ goals this season.

You expect him to break the top 100 for NHL Goal Scoring next season, just because he lost a bunch of weight? 20 goals is a tough threshold to crack. The Canucks will be lucky (very lucky) if Jake develops into a 20 goal scorer after 3 or 4 more years... I would like to see him score 20 to 25 in the AHL this season, and develop his overall game, that may be a realistic goal for the kid, and would put him back on track to the NHL. And even 20 in the AHL is a lofty expectation.

 

[DL44]

The search function is pretty good on here and drumming that up took all of about 5 minutes of effort, 4 if the forums didn't limit you on searching. I don't really appreciate you repeatedly calling me a liar (which is what happens whenever anyone points out your hypocritical statements/something that is wrong), so I .

Either you suck at searching or you are lying.

I posted prior to april about it. At least twice this yr.
Posted concern when he left a game in Jr over it.

Apologize i didnt write a rant about it in real time every month in between.

I wonder what you posted about Horvats 17 game goaless drought.. hopefully something.. otherwise i will assume you feel the exact opposite of what i think..

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Either you suck at searching or you are lying.

Maybe instead of insulting other users or telling them to "**** off" you could actually refute what is being said. To be charitable, I did go back and searched for any instances of "Virtanen" and "injury", in addition to the "Virtanen" and "shoulder" search I did for posts made by you. Nothing really notable came up.

All 7 posts by you involving the keywords "Shoulder" and "Virtanen": http://hfboards.mandatory.com/search.php?searchid=50318779

Injury/Virtanen search: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/search.php?searchid=50318799

26 posts over 2 years. Most of them aren't directly relating to Virtanen's injury.

That said, digging through your posts did lead to this little gem:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=127645771&postcount=40

I'll be very quick to state that Boeser needs to show that he can last through the grind of an 82 game season, but it's baffling that you're being so dismissive of concerns towards Virtanen while not being convinced Boeser can hack it. It's a really weird dissonance -- I'm not against criticizing our players, but Virtanen isn't exactly a guy I'd be hanging my hat on.

I'll also spell this out very clearly: I am not saying you're wrong or bad for having a different opinion about Boeser. What is baffling for me is how you can have that opinion but disregard similar sentiments towards Virtanen.

I posted prior to april about it. At least twice this yr.
Posted concern when he left a game in Jr over it.

I acknowledged you had talked about Virtanen's shoulder injury in junior, which is why you made the wisecrack of me 'subscribing' to your posts since 2015...when Virtanen was in junior, but I also pointed out you didn't really seem all that concerned as you indicated he was 'physically ready' for the NHL.

Again, you haven't held up Virtanen's shoulder injury as a way of excusing his poor performance up until recently. It's really strange that you're bearish towards Boeser but really like Virtanen's 'attributes' and are really high on him.

Apologize i write a rant about it in real time every month in between.

I don't even know what this means. I'm not apologizing for quoting you.

I wonder what you posted about Horvats 17 game goaless drought.. hopefully something.. otherwise i will assume you feel the exact opposite of what i think..

What does Bo Horvat have to do with the current discussion? Unless you're implying that I've been critical of Horvat or something. I think I've said something along the lines that Vancouver fans overrate Horvat's offensive capabilities but that's all I can really think of regarding criticism of Horvat.

Unless you're just deflecting and trying to change the subject. Which is a step up from name calling and telling people to "**** off"

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

never admit youre wrong never address criticism.

I mean, it's better than your tactic of just making up nonsense and passing it off as factual:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=108338883&postcount=443

My professor just told me the ceo of the college's son played in jnr with johansen.

And johansen is entirely interestedin coming home

Was waiting to see if columbus became a playoff team before signing long at all.

Looking good people

 

[Fatass]

was he some fat tub of **** all season long but now in the offseason he has suddenly cut 30 lbs? The answer is no.

he had 20 points total last year in 75 games, 65 of which were at the AHL level. Now that he is lighter, he is just going to score 20 goals at the NHL level?

There is a lot more to this sport then just being in shape. Canucks had 25+ players that were in shape and only one actually got to 20 goals last year.

It took Jake until the very end of last season to get down to 212 pounds. Likely he was only becoming properly fit too. Now he's 207. This will be the first time as a pro he's light and fit. And we didn't have more than Bo score 20 because we have too many soft perimeter topnine forwards. Jake is like Hansen, but bigger, faster, more skilled, and with a way better shot.

 

[Boose Brudreau]

It took Jake until the very end of last season to get down to 212 pounds. Likely he was only becoming properly fit too. Now he's 207. This will be the first time as a pro he's light and fit. And we didn't have more than Bo score 20 because we have too many soft perimeter topnine forwards. Jake is like Hansen, but bigger, faster, more skilled, and with a way better shot.

with less hockey IQ and a questionable motor.

 

[Paulinvancouver]

Maybe instead of insulting other users or telling them to "**** off" you could actually refute what is being said. To be charitable, I did go back and searched for any instances of "Virtanen" and "injury", in addition to the "Virtanen" and "shoulder" search I did for posts made by you. Nothing really notable came up.

All 7 posts by you involving the keywords "Shoulder" and "Virtanen": http://hfboards.mandatory.com/search.php?searchid=50318779

Injury/Virtanen search: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/search.php?searchid=50318799

26 posts over 2 years. Most of them aren't directly relating to Virtanen's injury.

That said, digging through your posts did lead to this little gem:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=127645771&postcount=40

I'll be very quick to state that Boeser needs to show that he can last through the grind of an 82 game season, but it's baffling that you're being so dismissive of concerns towards Virtanen while not being convinced Boeser can hack it. It's a really weird dissonance -- I'm not against criticizing our players, but Virtanen isn't exactly a guy I'd be hanging my hat on.

I'll also spell this out very clearly: I am not saying you're wrong or bad for having a different opinion about Boeser. What is baffling for me is how you can have that opinion but disregard similar sentiments towards Virtanen.



I acknowledged you had talked about Virtanen's shoulder injury in junior, which is why you made the wisecrack of me 'subscribing' to your posts since 2015...when Virtanen was in junior, but I also pointed out you didn't really seem all that concerned as you indicated he was 'physically ready' for the NHL.

Again, you haven't held up Virtanen's shoulder injury as a way of excusing his poor performance up until recently. It's really strange that you're bearish towards Boeser but really like Virtanen's 'attributes' and are really high on him.



I don't even know what this means. I'm not apologizing for quoting you.



What does Bo Horvat have to do with the current discussion? Unless you're implying that I've been critical of Horvat or something. I think I've said something along the lines that Vancouver fans overrate Horvat's offensive capabilities but that's all I can really think of regarding criticism of Horvat.

Unless you're just deflecting and trying to change the subject. Which is a step up from name calling and telling people to "**** off"

It seems we have a stalker here. That's creepy as ****, dude. Go enjoy life.

 

[Pyromaniac]

It seems we have a stalker here. That's creepy as ****, dude. Go enjoy life.

Looks like someone is worried what is in their own posting history.

 

[Fatass]

with less hockey IQ and a questionable motor.

Arguable on both points. Hard to think quickly when fat and gassed. Hard to have a motor when fat and gassed. The kid was 30 pounds overweight and not at all fit - obviously. Like I said before, if he can't perform at proper weight and fit, then he is likely a missed pick. I believe the guy is going to be really good.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

As long as you're right you can sleep easy.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

It seems we have a stalker here. That's creepy as ****, dude. Go enjoy life.

Yeah, knowing how a search function works and being able to skim through 10 posts is 'creepy.' Things that a child learns how to do in school these days (and is pretty basic rote information for anyone who doesn't live in terror of their computer or anything electronic) is 'creepy.'

This seriously took very little effort to bang out. It's not my fault DL44's contradictory opinions stand out to me. Maybe he should focus on being a little more sensible.

 

[Canucks LB]

It seems we have a stalker here. That's creepy as ****, dude. Go enjoy life.

How is that creepy

 

[ChilliBilly]

You seemed to subscribe and read all my posts.. apparently all the way back to 2015.
Yet with your agenda driven campaign you convienently missed a couple of posts.

Also your premise that because i wasnt posting about it = i must of had no concern is incredibly flawed... especially the way you laid it out in your post.

You'll just have to take my word that as a chiropractor and with chronic shoulder issues due to 8 yrs of football and rugby under his belt that my concerns of Jake's shoulder issues turning chronic have been a concern since i heaed about his shoulder surgery. Oh well.

Sorry a "chiropractor" label doesn't give you some sort of status. My hobby is dealing with pseudosciences ********. Chiropracty is mostly ********. Happy to discuss it, and if anyone wants to investigate what a pile of crap it is, contact me.

Quackwatch.org is run by a person I highly respect. I have only met her a couple of times, but this is a person with integrity. No offense, but when you tell me you are a "chiropractor" you don't legitimize your posts, you make them seem even more ludicrous. If anyone wants to get educated on how unscientific chiropractic is go to quackwatch. Please. Sorry DL44, but you have been made to look look ludicrous in this thread. As many have pointed out, you have been shown to been untruthful by people quoting your own posts.

 

[Paulinvancouver]

Yeah, see...

I know exactly how. It's the motivation to do it that creeps me right the **** out.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

Sorry a "chiropractor" label doesn't give you some sort of status. My hobby is dealing with pseudosciences ********. Chiropracty is mostly ********. Happy to discuss it, and if anyone wants to investigate what a pile of crap it is, contact me.

Quackwatch.org is run by a person I highly respect. I have only met her a couple of times, but this is a person with integrity. No offense, but when you tell me you are a "chiropractor" you don't legitimize your posts, you make them seem even more ludicrous. If anyone wants to get educated on how unscientific chiropractic is go to quackwatch. Please. Sorry DL44, but you have been made to look look ludicrous in this thread. As many have pointed out, you have been shown to been untruthful by people quoting your own posts.

I thought QuackWatch was run by Mark Crislip. But yeah, lmao. DL44 just quit while you are behind man.