Player Discussion Jacob Trouba

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McRanger92

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he's even worse defensively than he was last year, which was pretty bad. i don't know what you guys are watching. he throws big hits and blocks shots because the team doesn't have the puck when he's on the ice. he's terrible in his own zone when he's not laying on the ice to block a shot.



dougie hamilton is about the same defensively and lightyears better offensively. i would trade trouba for him in 1 second. a miller-hamilton pair would be unbelievable.

you could argue that nurse is better in both zones as well and last year even seth jones on an absolutely terrible team was way better than trouba.

Hamilton would be the most hated man on the team playing Trouba's role at that cap hit, as would Nurse, as would Seth Jones.
 

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he's even worse defensively than he was last year, which was pretty bad. i don't know what you guys are watching. he throws big hits and blocks shots because the team doesn't have the puck when he's on the ice. he's terrible in his own zone when he's not laying on the ice to block a shot.



dougie hamilton is about the same defensively and lightyears better offensively. i would trade trouba for him in 1 second. a miller-hamilton pair would be unbelievable.

you could argue that nurse is better in both zones as well and last year even seth jones on an absolutely terrible team was way better than trouba.


Trouba has more points than Jones and Nurse.
Jones is a -7 and Nurse a +1..
Trouba is a plus 8

Hamilton is an offensive defenseman so its hard to compare to Trouba, but Hamilton again at even strength has been on the ice for more points against than points for..

I think Trouba is overpaid but he is still a solid defenseman
 

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he's even worse defensively than he was last year, which was pretty bad. i don't know what you guys are watching. he throws big hits and blocks shots because the team doesn't have the puck when he's on the ice. he's terrible in his own zone when he's not laying on the ice to block a shot.



dougie hamilton is about the same defensively and lightyears better offensively. i would trade trouba for him in 1 second. a miller-hamilton pair would be unbelievable.

you could argue that nurse is better in both zones as well and last year even seth jones on an absolutely terrible team was way better than trouba.

He's got the highest DFZ% on the team for defensemen. Of course his stats aren't going to tell the whole story - he's always matched up against the oppositions top line(s), starting 55%+ in his own end, out there at the end of every game playing with a lead, etc...

I mean, Dougie Hamilton as a defender? No, I don't see it. He brings offense, but Trouba brings head-on-a-swivel for every opposing F in the O zone and is a MUCH better defender than Hamilton.
 

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Trouba has more points than Jones and Nurse.
Jones is a -7 and Nurse a +1..
Trouba is a plus 8

Hamilton is an offensive defenseman so its hard to compare to Trouba, but Hamilton again at even strength has been on the ice for more points against than points for..

I think Trouba is overpaid but he is still a solid defenseman

plus/minus? really?

Hamilton is an offensive defenseman and he's still similar or better defensively than Trouba. the big discrepancy between points for/against is probably because the Devils have two goaltenders with a GAA above 3.
 

zlev

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i didn't want to post aDvAnCeD StAtS because the bro intellectuals have a bit of trouble with science and numbers but if we're going to start using f***ing plus/minus to argue points then I guess i have to.

i mean, come on lol






Trouba being good defensively is a myth. He literally never has been.
 
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Jim Ramsay

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Ya seem like you got an axe to grind for whatever reason. Trouba also leads the League in blocked shots, which again is an important stat that you will prolly overlook or chalk it up to something else.

He is overpaid but I would take him over Jones and Nurse, but I could understand someone takin them over Trouba at the same time
 

zlev

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i have no axe to grind, i like Trouba as a person and i think he's a good leader, but his play on the ice is absolutely not worth his current contract. and then we got people in here saying they'd rather have him than Dougie Hamilton.
 

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i didn't want to post aDvAnCeD StAtS because the bro intellectuals have a bit of trouble with science and numbers but if we're going to start using f***ing plus/minus to argue points then I guess i have to.

i mean, come on lol






Trouba being good defensively is a myth. He literally never has been.
I like Trouba but have agreed with this since we traded for him, he's never, ever been good defensively at ES and he still isn't.
 

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plus/minus? really?

Hamilton is an offensive defenseman and he's still similar or better defensively than Trouba. the big discrepancy between points for/against is probably because the Devils have two goaltenders with a GAA above 3.
Hamilton is nowhere near Trouble defensively. Not even close.
 

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i didn't want to post aDvAnCeD StAtS because the bro intellectuals have a bit of trouble with science and numbers but if we're going to start using f***ing plus/minus to argue points then I guess i have to.

i mean, come on lol






Trouba being good defensively is a myth. He literally never has been.

Someone will have to explain to this bro intellectual how one guy has a 30th percentile defense pull his overall average down 4 percentiles and another guy has 21st percentile defense pull his overall average down 30 percentiles.

@Machinehead,

Actually this is actually a legit question. Unless there is some exponential growth in the higher percentiles or an exponential drop for defense in the 20s percentile or both.
 
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plus/minus? really?

Hamilton is an offensive defenseman and he's still similar or better defensively than Trouba. the big discrepancy between points for/against is probably because the Devils have two goaltenders with a GAA above 3.
What? Have you watch Hamilton play defense ? He's terrible.
 

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I like Trouba but have agreed with this since we traded for him, he's never, ever been good defensively at ES and he still isn't.

So then why is he worth his contract again? Defensive defensemen who are better than him at ES by a good margin get paid half as much, and he doesn’t get the featured offensive role here to justify the extra bucks. We use him to suck up all the defensive zone starts and he sucks at it. He’s actually weighing down Miller at this point.

Someone explain the plan here because it’s mind boggling.

We are paying him $8m a year to be big and be the captain. Kreider could be the captain for less and he’s actually good.
 

McRanger92

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So then why is he worth his contract again? Defensive defensemen who are better than him at ES by a good margin get paid half as much, and he doesn’t get the featured offensive role here to justify the extra bucks. We use him to suck up all the defensive zone starts and he sucks at it. He’s actually weighing down Miller at this point.

Someone explain the plan here because it’s mind boggling.

We are paying him $8m a year to be big and be the captain. Kreider could be the captain for less and he’s actually good.

Trouba isn’t actually good now? The haters have lost the plot
 

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Trouba isn’t actually good now? The haters have lost the plot

If we're comparing Trouba to Hamilton the usage is way different. Hamilton gets 57% offensive zone starts. Trouba 44% offensive zone starts. Hamilton barely sees the penalty kill. Trouba's averaging 3 and a half minutes a game. Those stats also tell me that Trouba sees more top line opponents in defensive situations than Hamilton does even at even strength. Hamilton's game does have more offensive pizzaz. He almost never goes a game without at least one shot on goal and quite often he has several. He's a little bigger than Trouba though but he's not nearly as physical. The Devils seem to be giving Luke Hughes a lot of power play minutes and I think that is somewhat why Hamilton's production is down this year.
 

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Trouba isn’t actually good now? The haters have lost the plot

He is not good at defense, no. I’ve been saying this for years now and there’s no measurement that proves otherwise.

His contract is based on him being a PP contributor and offensive force but we don’t use him that way because we have Fox who laps him in that respect as well because Fox is a Norris winner.
 
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McRanger92

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He is not good at defense, no. I’ve been saying this for years now and there’s no measurement that proves otherwise.

His contract is based on him being a PP contributor and offensive force but we don’t use him that way because we have Fox who laps him in that respect as well because Fox is a Norris winner.

Agree to disagree. As my original point was, maybe the people who can’t look past the contract will learn to appreciate him because he’s been a great Ranger
 

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