Player Discussion Jacob Trouba

[Levitate]

Difference with Trouba is Pronger carried his stick like a club. He would hit guys sticks so hard it would vibrate their hands. Today he would get many more stick on stick slashing calls.

Trouba goes right up to the line without crossing it 95% of the time. Barry Beck would try to hit guys as hard as he could but would let up if he felt the guy was in a vulnerable position and would get hurt. Guys like Stevens didn't let up.

Without Trouba this team would be tissue paper soft. We would be the Kleenex Rangers.

Stevens specifically targeted hitting players up high with his shoulder, often in the head, and it was no accident. It also wasn't illegal at the time. He probably would have played differently if it was.

I'm not sure how much a suspension from 6 years ago impacts their decision but it's part of his disciplinary record which the DoPS rules on.

The 5k fine was in 2020, by the way.

They take it into consideration but a suspension 6 years ago and a fine 3 years ago probably aren't weighted that heavily.
If a physical player known for big hits and playing "tough" is only discplined once every 3 years then in the eyes of the NHL he's a pretty clean player.
In this case it seems likely the NHL reviewed it and deemed it not intentional and therefor he doesn't get suspended. Honestly his fine from 2020 was "worse" in its intention IMO.
His suspension was "just" a bad line on a hit attempt but was still your regular Trouba hit with arms down, lead with the shoulders, didn't leave his feet, etc.

 

[nyr2k2]

I know it kills other fans to admit it (well, they won't admit it) but Trouba is the model for what a truly feared hitter should look like in the modern game. He's not flying around out there looking to kill people; rather, he picks his spots and when you put yourself in a bad position he will make you pay. The popular term people use now is "predatory." His hits are legal and literally by the book, so if that's "predatory," then we just have to accept the NHL is a league that embraces predatory play (which is stupid to think).

If the DoPS is looking at Trouba they're probably looking at him as a pretty clean player, given the amount of enormous hits he lays compared to how many are even worth a fine. He's really good at what he does. If you play that way from time to time you're going to take a bad angle or let an elbow come out and end up in disciplinary trouble, but he has done a terrific job avoiding that stuff throughout his career.

I strongly doubt they gave much consideration to his past suspension or fine when evaluating this situation.

 

[Levitate]

Yeah I mean, Trouba isn't an angel...he'll mix it up and throw punches and slash legs in scrums, but that stuff is all considered "normal" in the NHL as well. His hits are performed perfectly legal however and until the NHl changes what it allows in hitting, he's been following the rules very well and generally doesn't have many "oops accidentally got him too much in the head there" (really just the 2017 suspension)

and yeah I woudl rather have that than a guy like wilson who built a reputation and career on charging and leaping into guys who were along the boards

 

[NickyFotiu]

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I strongly doubt they gave much consideration to his past suspension or fine when evaluating this situation.

Which is why they landed on a 5k fine instead of a suspension. I get it. I just expected him to be suspended considering all things involved.

The mitigating factors are also not talked about enough by these other fanbases either because they don't see it, or (more likely) they don't want to see it.

 

[duhmetreE]

does anyone have the call from Jack Daniels Edwards? I'd love to hear it

 

[DialUp]

Which is why they landed on a 5k fine instead of a suspension. I get it. I just expected him to be suspended considering all things involved.

The mitigating factors are also not talked about enough by these other fanbases either because they don't see it, or (more likely) they don't want to see it.

The mind of non-Ranger fans are already made; it's a personality trait of them at this point.
A game or two suspension, which would have been fair and just, would be complained about. A 5-6 game, complained about, 10+ complained about. Etc, ad nauseum.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I think it was really good to see Trouba say while it was not intentional that he has to be in control of his stick. I think the fine was fair. If the player was injured than I would have said a suspension would be on the table.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

does anyone have the call from Jack Daniels Edwards? I'd love to hear it

Doesnt seem from the YouTube clip like Edwards even reacted to it. Guess he was refilling his beverage.

 

[Synergy27]

Trouba is worth his salary if for no other reason than all of the crying he has caused my (many) Penguins fans to do. The dude doesn’t live rent free in their heads, he has taken root in their psyche and is currently doing some Inception shit.

 

[romba]

You can see it wasn’t ‘intentional’, off balance, the angle his stick took, lack of follow through etc. Still reckless and penalty and fine was warranted

 

[eco's bones]

Difference with Trouba is Pronger carried his stick like a club. He would hit guys sticks so hard it would vibrate their hands. Today he would get many more stick on stick slashing calls.

Trouba goes right up to the line without crossing it 95% of the time. Barry Beck would try to hit guys as hard as he could but would let up if he felt the guy was in a vulnerable position and would get hurt. Guys like Stevens didn't let up.

Without Trouba this team would be tissue paper soft. We would be the Kleenex Rangers.

Schneider once in a while blasts somebody but Trouba intimidates to a degree. If you're not aware of him when he's on the ice you're kind of taking your health for granted. The thing with Trouba is it doesn't matter who it is.....it can be Crosby or Jujhar Khaira. The game he nailed Kadri and Dube he almost caught Lucic too. You can be an elite player, a 4th liner or a legit tough guy. It doesn't matter to him. Trouba's got a throwback style of defending but he plays it the same against everyone. If an opponent leaves an opening he's going to get crushed.

 

[NickyFotiu]

 

[mrmovies779]

Trouba has been lights out so far this year.He is definitely earning his paycheck..even if a bit overpaid.

 

[McRanger92]

I hope Ranger fans at large begin to appreciate this guy for what he has brought to the team. Brooksie wrote an article the other day, and every long time Ranger fan knows the point he made. The organization hasnt had a guy leading them with this kind of toughness and grit in a long time. I wonder how differently the Wilson incident would have played out if Trouba was not injured at the time. Not to mention he is just a really good player when the coach isnt using his tie as a napkin on the bench.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Love the guy and he walks the walk like a true leader always does. Great for our young guys to see.

 

[McRanger92]

Love the guy and he walks the walk like a true leader always does. Great for our young guys to see.

He had a choppy start to his captaincy last year but the wrecking ball act and helmet toss against Chicago, plus the less remembered center ice captain v captain fight with Tkachuk shortly after showed me that he understood the assignment.

 

[CasusBelli]

Like I said in the Wings GDT, this guy is the Pronger. He just needed the right coach.

 

[will1066]

Trouba has been lights out so far this year.He is definitely earning his paycheck..even if a bit overpaid.

Sir, this is a paradox.

 

[Levitate]

Pronger was way way way better than Trouba

And he's still not "worth" $8 mill

But he's a lot better than he gets credit for especially this year

 

[McRanger92]

Pronger was way way way better than Trouba

And he's still not "worth" $8 mill

But he's a lot better than he gets credit for especially this year

He kinda is worth 8 mil when guys like Seth Jones, Douglas Hamilton and Darnell Nurse are all making 9mil+. The contract was bad when he signed it but hes gotten better and the contract looks better comparatively around the league. Trouba is tradeable in a hypothetical scenario and those guys probably arent. Maybe Hamilton because of the offense.

 

[xsniper11x]

I personally feel when Trouba looks like this, he’s worth every penny. Completely exclude the unique physical attributes to his game along with the leadership intangibles. What do you think that Dman costs today? I’d say $6-6.5mm, especially for a righty.

Now add in the other factors. What is the unique physicality and elite hitting worth? $1mm at least. The leadership intangibles, maybe another $500K-$1mm? It’s not hard to justify Trouba as earning right in line with his market value.

 

[nyr2k2]

There are 46 defensemen in the NHL making more than $6m+ and 32 defenseman making between $6m-$8m. If you look at the latter group, which is basically from Trouba down to the $6m players, there are some guys that are better than Trouba and there are some guys that are worse than Trouba. I'd personally argue he belongs closer to the 6 than the 8, but at the end of the day it's not a huge difference and this version of Trouba is probably fairly close to market value.

 

[Levitate]

He was also signed to that contract before COVID and the cap freeze. Would look a bit different if the cap was $10 mill higher or whatever it should be

 

[zlev]

he's even worse defensively than he was last year, which was pretty bad. i don't know what you guys are watching. he throws big hits and blocks shots because the team doesn't have the puck when he's on the ice. he's terrible in his own zone when he's not laying on the ice to block a shot.

He kinda is worth 8 mil when guys like Seth Jones, Douglas Hamilton and Darnell Nurse are all making 9mil+. The contract was bad when he signed it but hes gotten better and the contract looks better comparatively around the league. Trouba is tradeable in a hypothetical scenario and those guys probably arent. Maybe Hamilton because of the offense.

dougie hamilton is about the same defensively and lightyears better offensively. i would trade trouba for him in 1 second. a miller-hamilton pair would be unbelievable.

you could argue that nurse is better in both zones as well and last year even seth jones on an absolutely terrible team was way better than trouba.