Jacob Trouba Elbow On Rodrigues (Fined 5,000 Dollars)

[clmetsfan]

Are you guys talking about the same play. I’m seeing them bitching about a Lomberg elbow on Vesey, but it wasn’t the same play where Lomberg hit him shoulder to shoulder knocking him out of game.

No, there are actually two Lomberg hits on Vesey. There's the one that knocked Vesey off his feet and out of the game, and then there's also this one: https://packaged-media.redd.it/os6c...=5625c0b1770b284020899e16549d64163611756c#t=0

This one linked here is actually way more dirty, but like the Rodrigues attempted elbow on Wennberg, there's minimal contact. Still, if we listen to most posters in this thread, we should be penalizing and suspending based on intent rather than outcomes.

 

[Ratsreign]

No, there are actually two Lomberg hits on Vesey. There's the one that knocked Vesey off his feet and out of the game, and then there's also this one: https://packaged-media.redd.it/os6c...=5625c0b1770b284020899e16549d64163611756c#t=0

Right, I was just making the other guy aware that he was talking about a different play than who he replied to was.

 

[Siddi]

Are you guys talking about the same play. I’m seeing them bitching about a Lomberg elbow on Vesey, but it wasn’t the same play where Lomberg hit him shoulder to shoulder knocking him out of game.

Look closer. Predatory blindside elbow to the head. Difference being Vesey is not a little diving bitch like your players.

 

[Ratsreign]

Look closer. Predatory blindside elbow to the head. Difference being Vesey is not a little diving bitch like your players.

Look closer? Wtf are you talking about? Did I say anything at all about it besides, “I think you guys might be looking at two different plays” ??

Edit, I did say, “they are bitching” you can assume any meaning, and draw any conclusions you want from that, I guess.

 

[AvroArrow]

Someone just reminded me that Michael Bunting got a 5 minute major + 3 games for elbowing Cernak

 

[Hunter Gathers]

[MOD]

It’s not that. The fact that there is no outrage against Rodrigues or others on Florida from you all is telling.

Precisely why Rangers fans are incredulous about all of this. The hypocrisy is something else.

 

[Il Stugotz]

Someone just reminded me that Michael Bunting got a 5 minute major + 3 games for elbowing Cernak

Cernak was injured on that hit, bad enough that he missed the rest of the series

 

[AvroArrow]

Cernak was injured on that hit, bad enough that he missed the rest of the postseason

It's an elbow to the head, intent to injure. Plus Trouba has a lengthy history of pulling this crap, $5K fine is a joke.

 

[Ratsreign]

It's an elbow to the head, intent to injure. Plus Trouba has a lengthy history of pulling this crap, $5K fine is a joke.

Trouba didn’t hit him in the head until after hitting his shoulder, though. If it was straight to the head, both he and Erod would probably be missing some games.
You can’t say definitely intent to injure without previous bias towards Trouba. Look at the play with no names and it’s simply a defender caught badly out of position making a desperate (reckless, maybe) attempt to defend his net.
Hockey happened let’s go on to game 4

 

[Siddi]

Trouba didn’t hit him in the head until after hitting his shoulder, though. If it was straight to the head, both he and Erod would probably be missing some games.
You can’t say definitely intent to injure without previous bias towards Trouba. Look at the play with no names and it’s simply a defender caught badly out of position making a desperate (reckless, maybe) attempt to defend his net.
Hockey happened let’s go on to game 4

And what about the Lomberg blindside elbow on Vesey with the puck nowhere in sight?

Was that a play you would call "intent to injure"?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Trouba didn’t hit him in the head until after hitting his shoulder, though. If it was straight to the head, both he and Erod would probably be missing some games.
You can’t say definitely intent to injure without previous bias towards Trouba. Look at the play with no names and it’s simply a defender caught badly out of position making a desperate (reckless, maybe) attempt to defend his net.
Hockey happened let’s go on to game 4

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Trouba didn’t hit him in the head until after hitting his shoulder, though. If it was straight to the head, both he and Erod would probably be missing some games.
You can’t say definitely intent to injure without previous bias towards Trouba. Look at the play with no names and it’s simply a defender caught badly out of position making a desperate (reckless, maybe) attempt to defend his net.
Hockey happened let’s go on to game 4

This is a very, very fair take. Like with the Rodrigues miss on Wennberg, I don't think Rodrigues was trying to decapitate Wennberg. I think he just missed a hit and over-extended. This stuff happens when guys get beat and get desperate.

Had Trouba really injured Rodrigues, I'd be cool with a suspension for the result.

And what about the Lomberg blindside elbow on Vesey with the puck nowhere in sight?

Was that a play you would call "intent to injure"?

I think his take was fair.

 

[Ratsreign]

And what about the Lomberg blindside elbow on Vesey with the puck nowhere in sight?

Was that a play you would call "intent to injure"?

I will call that a shitty play, indeed.
Again though, as I’ve said about Trouba’s elbow, no one here is a mind reader, the whole “intent to injure” area is questionable, at best, to me.

 

[Siddi]

I think his take was fair.

It was. I just wanted his take on the Lomberg elbow and now I will give him the respect he deserves for acknowledging that.

I will call that a shitty play, indeed.
Again though, as I’ve said about Trouba’s elbow, no one here is a mind reader, the whole “intent to injure” area is questionable, at best, to me.

Thank you. Good luck tonight.

 

[AvroArrow]

Trouba didn’t hit him in the head until after hitting his shoulder, though. If it was straight to the head, both he and Erod would probably be missing some games.
You can’t say definitely intent to injure without previous bias towards Trouba. Look at the play with no names and it’s simply a defender caught badly out of position making a desperate (reckless, maybe) attempt to defend his net.
Hockey happened let’s go on to game 4

I mean player history literally matters when we're looking at dirty plays. It's a horrible precedent to set. It's not Trouba's 1st time throwing a dirty elbow like that, which is why context/names matter.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I mean player history literally matters when we're looking at dirty plays. It's a horrible precedent to set. It's not Trouba's 1st time throwing a dirty elbow like that, which is why context/names matter.

It also leads to not suspending a really dirty play for long enough with the "well, he hasn't been suspended for X number of months, so we can't just throw a 10 game suspension at him now" excuse.

I remember that was the excuse of the DoPS for Wilson a while back when he finally did something that warranted a multi-game suspension. They cited his lack of suspensions prior as a reason for only X amount of games rather than Y, not realizing that the reason he hadn't had suspensions is BECAUSE they were so soft on his dirty plays prior to that.

Look at Trouba now. Because this only resulted in a fine, then his next dirty act will be his "first" dirty act according to the DoPS.

 

[HANK30]

[MOD]


Precisely why Rangers fans are incredulous about all of this. The hypocrisy is something else.

I don't think a single Ranger fan that I know says the hit was a clean hit...the debate is whether or not Trouba intended to hit him in the head. Right now the evidence (and confirmed by the NHL essentially) suggests that the principle point of contact was the shoulder and it may (or may not) have grazed the guy's head. And I started a thread on Lomberg's hit on Vesey where he nailed him straight in the head and there was no outrage - before it was closed by a moderator (for whatever reason). That moderator's reasoning was "if you didn't start the thread after game 2, it's not a big deal now and so the discussion gets shut down."

 

[Community]

Cernak was injured on that hit, bad enough that he missed the rest of the series

Not commenting on the Bunting hit because it was more than a year ago, but giving a suspension based on whether or not a player is injured is stupid.

I get it sucks when your player is injured and some of these hits take out a player longer than the suspension does for the opposing player... but it should be based on intent/action and not result.

If a player bounces back up right away and another one gets injured on the same exact dirty hit, they should get equal suspensions. Also would help to discourage players/coaches from feigning injuries if they did it correct and consistently.

 

[Beezeral]

Are you guys talking about the same play. I’m seeing them bitching about a Lomberg elbow on Vesey, but it wasn’t the same play where Lomberg hit him shoulder to shoulder knocking him out of game.

I actually didn't realize it was a different play. If people want that to be a major, sure. I don't really care. I'm not attached to Lomberg and am pretty happy he is out of the lineup tonight.

 

[TheWrongWay]

This hit to the back seriously got posted? And of course, posted using the reverse angle video where it is impossible to see and determine point of contact. Bravo. Well done.

For a little whataboutism: Is Rodrigues' elbow out from earlier in this game anywhere to be found?

Trouba plays up to the line, sometimes crosses it, and can be dirty. This is not news.

Do I love it? No. But there are dirty players on every team in the league and the Rangers have encountered them in every round of these playoffs.

Vesey's out of the current series from a couple of dirty hits from Lomberg. Lindgren's got a notable cut from a missed double-minor high stick and a separate set of stitches on his other cheek from, you guessed it, another missed call. I think Bennet on that second cut, who is far dirtier than anyone in this series imho.

I am sure Florida has its share of guys who likewise received shady hits from NYR players.

That's playoff hockey. Refs let a lot more go, leading to an increase of shit things happening on the ice. It's been like this for a century.

 

[OysterForever]

But there are dirty players on every team in the league and the Rangers have encountered them in every round of these playoffs.

But there are none as blatant repeated offenders as Trouba with the chicken shit elbow that could have ended Necas' career and many more

 

[HANK30]

Apparently our boy Lomberg is a healthy scratch for tonight…Maurice probably took him out before he gets caught for doing something stupid like he’s done all series.

 

[Ratsreign]

This hit to the back seriously got posted? And of course, posted using the reverse angle video where it is impossible to see and determine point of contact. Bravo. Well done.

For a little whataboutism: Is Rodrigues' elbow out from earlier in this game anywhere to be found?

Trouba plays up to the line, sometimes crosses it, and can be dirty. This is not news.

Do I love it? No. But there are dirty players on every team in the league and the Rangers have encountered them in every round of these playoffs.

Vesey's out of the current series from a couple of dirty hits from Lomberg. Lindgren's got a notable cut from a missed double-minor high stick and a separate set of stitches on his other cheek from, you guessed it, another missed call. I think Bennet on that second cut, who is far dirtier than anyone in this series imho.

I am sure Florida has its share of guys who likewise received shady hits from NYR players.

That's playoff hockey. Refs let a lot more go, leading to an increase of shit things happening on the ice. It's been like this for a century.

Lomberg hit on Vesey was no more than an interference minor. Lomberg’s fly by elbow that was posted this morning (not seen before) was greasy as hell.
Bennett’s hit in the corner was clean. Puck was just leaving NY’s stick as Bennett came in to hit him. The Rangers give out their fair share of “stuff”, as you said, It is playoff hockey, a lot will be let go.

 

[HANK30]

I mean player history literally matters when we're looking at dirty plays. It's a horrible precedent to set. It's not Trouba's 1st time throwing a dirty elbow like that, which is why context/names matter.

No it doesn't. You all would make absolutely terrible judges in a court of law and are way too emotional about this. What Trouba did in the past has nothing to do with what his intent was here. You look at what happened in the play in a vacuum and then decide guilt or innocence. When it comes to punishing him, after it reviewing the play, then you can take past acts into account.

 

[TheWrongWay]

Lomberg hit on Vesey was no more than an interference minor. Lomberg’s fly by elbow that was posted this morning (not seen before) was greasy as hell.
Bennett’s hit in the corner was clean. Puck was just leaving NY’s stick as Bennett came in to hit him. The Rangers give out their fair share of “stuff”, as you said, It is playoff hockey, a lot will be let go.

It was the speed Bennet came into the corner with, not the lateness. But... as fans of the opposing teams, I am sure we will see things a bit through our fan-tinted goggles. All good to me.

I just try not to publicly complain on this stuff was my point.

The league and players have to police this crap (or choose not to). I just know me bitching about it on a message board won't change it.

You're a killer excellent fan of the opposing team to chat the games with, by the way. Level-headed and as fair as can be expected. Props