Proposal: Jacob Chychrun to New York Rangers

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

it would still be a mistake
Chych = even better D
replacing Strome w/players who offer mo upside, better overall game is smart move; get rid of this crutch

sooner Drury accepts this reality the better off NYR will be

You are entitled to that opinion, but you're wrong.

 

[Fisticuffer]

The value pendulum of 1st rd picks has swung here lately.

 

[AvroArrow]

We need to come up with an equally bad Devils trade proposal.

To NJ:

Chychrun


To ARZ:

NJ 1st in 2022, NJ 1st in 2023, TWO of Hughes, Hughes, Holtz, Mercer (Arizona choice)

 

[bernmeister]

Bern you can't tell me we have to get rid of Lindgren for cap issues and then tell me we add Chychrun. Save that garbage. This isn't a video game. If you want to tell me someone eventually surpasses him as Fox's partner on the first pair, fine. But we don't need to add a guy who makes twice as much. That's not truth. That's your opinion.

In your haste to jump on me, you ignored what I actually said.
Chych makes 4.6, which is not "twice" as much as Lindy's 3 per.
Howev, I emphasized we'd get Chych at max retained half, which = 2.3, which is actually less than Lindy

dat's da fact, jack

 

[bernmeister]

Chytil is playing himself onto another team.

should get more not less time
won't be first/last mistake by NYR mgmt if they go there

 

[bernmeister]

You are entitled to that opinion, but you're wrong.

in your also subjective opinion
that Chych is arguably better than Lindy, who is not chopped liver, is not in dispute

Strome is a dif of op
I stand by it

 

[pld459666]

should get more not less time
won't be first/last mistake by NYR mgmt if they go there

Hes not that good. I like him, but hes not tjat good. No vision

 

[Schemp]

To NJ:

Chychrun


To ARZ:

NJ 1st in 2022, NJ 1st in 2023, TWO of Hughes, Hughes, Holtz, Mercer (Arizona choice)

Naw, NJ's 1st ( currently 5th OA) and Bahl should do it. More intuned to what GMBA is trying to build.

 

[PainForShane]

Naw, NJ's 1st ( currently 5th OA) and Bahl should do it. More intuned to what GMBA is trying to build.

That's... actually true. Do I do that if I'm Jersey? I don't know, but I'd have to think about it. They have enough young top end forward talent, maybe it's time to get a superstar young D. Also Chychrun and Hamilton would be a fun 1st pair to watch, they'd average like 6 shots per shift.

Just came in here to say that I think if a deal's made, imo Chychrun and Fox would probably be the D best pair in the NHL over the next decade-ish. Not sure if it's worth an overpayment (or how much of one) but I could see you guys making something happen if you want to try to manufacture a cup window while guys like Panarin / Kreider / Zib / Trouba etc are still in their primes or close to it.

Earlier in the year I though NYR wasn't really ready for a cup run compared to teams like TB, COL, FLA etc -- now I think who knows, Shesterkin gives you a chance against any team. If he plays lights out in the playoffs I don't think anyone would be surprised if he wins a series or two by himself just like King Henrik did for however playoff runs.

Something to think about for NYR fans. Imo an overpayment might be worth it honestly, Chychrun is actually a good player and easily become a perennially dominant D if he plays on a good team (he hasn't had that chance yet). Up to you guys

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Chychurn is so overrated, I can't possibly fathom how people believe he's worth these massive packages. Hes had 1 breakout season, the rest of his metrics including this season aren't great, yet half the league seem to be clamoring for him. Hes proven nothing yet is worth huge packages from other teams. Whoever pays that price will ruin there team long term.

 

[Schemp]

That's... actually true. Do I do that if I'm Jersey? I don't know, but I'd have to think about it. They have enough young top end forward talent, maybe it's time to get a superstar young D. Also Chychrun and Hamilton would be a fun 1st pair to watch, they'd average like 6 shots per shift.

Just came in here to say that I think if a deal's made, imo Chychrun and Fox would probably be the D best pair in the NHL over the next decade-ish. Not sure if it's worth an overpayment (or how much of one) but I could see you guys making something happen if you want to try to manufacture a cup window while guys like Panarin / Kreider / Zib / Trouba etc are still in their primes or close to it.

Earlier in the year I though NYR wasn't really ready for a cup run compared to teams like TB, COL, FLA etc -- now I think who knows, Shesterkin gives you a chance against any team. If he plays lights out in the playoffs I don't think anyone would be surprised if he wins a series or two by himself just like King Henrik did for however playoff runs.

Something to think about for NYR fans. Imo an overpayment might be worth it honestly, Chychrun is actually a good player and easily become a perennially dominant D if he plays on a good team (he hasn't had that chance yet). Up to you guys

I really don't want to trade Chychrun, but the way it seems, a team might overpay for him. The best offer may end up being the highest #1 offered.

 

[Schemp]

Chychurn is so overrated, I can't possibly fathom how people believe he's worth these massive packages. Hes had 1 breakout season, the rest of his metrics including this season aren't great, yet half the league seem to be clamoring for him. Hes proven nothing yet is worth huge packages from other teams. Whoever pays that price will ruin there team long term.

So you're saying you don't watch his play and just trust advance stats?

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I really don't want to trade Chychrun, but the way it seems, a team might overpay for him. The best offer may end up being the highest #1 offered.

I hope Arizona keeps him, don't want to see any team over pay for him considering he's had 1 breakout season, 1 terrible season this year, and a lot of meh his previous seasons.

 

[PainForShane]

So you're saying you don't watch his play and just trust advance stats?

He also doesn't believe in more traditional stats (like goals scored) or Norris voting, and also believes that 23 year old defensemen need to have multiple years of elite production before they can be considered good (otherwise it's just a career year, anyone can have those). Curious what he thinks about Adam Fox

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

So you're saying you don't watch his play and just trust advance stats?

I've watched him play, he's nowhere near any of the top 10 league wide. Hes terribly overrated. Hes young so he can improve but he's currently not worth anywhere near these asking prices.

 

[keppel146]

JC isn’t Eichel.. no one would ever pay that much

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

He also doesn't believe in actual stats (like goals scored) or Norris voting, and also believes that a 23 year old defenseman needs to have multiple years of elite production before they can be considered good (otherwise it's just a career year, anyone can have those). Curious what he thinks about Adam Fox

Chychurn isn't anywhere close to fox, and you accuse me of not watching players play.

 

[Schemp]

He also doesn't believe in more traditional stats (like goals scored) or Norris voting, and also believes that 23 year old defensemen need to have multiple years of elite production before they can be considered good (otherwise it's just a career year, anyone can have those). Curious what he thinks about Adam Fox

Well we now know! Curious how he came up with you comparing Chychrun to Fox, because I don't see it! He'll probably mention stats too! So much for the eye test.

 

[One Winged Angel]

He also doesn't believe in more traditional stats (like goals scored) or Norris voting, and also believes that 23 year old defensemen need to have multiple years of elite production before they can be considered good (otherwise it's just a career year, anyone can have those). Curious what he thinks about Adam Fox

Adam Fox was tremendous as a rookie.

 

[PainForShane]

Adam Fox was tremendous as a rookie.

Agree. To be clear, I am not slamming Fox, Adam Fox is absolutely fantastic.

I am slamming @Hockey 4 Life and his inability to use basic logic (that he himself came up with in another thread earlier today)

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Adam Fox was tremendous as a rookie.

He was, and has just gotten better since.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Agree. To be clear, I am not slamming Fox, Adam Fox is absolutely fantastic.

I am slamming @Hockey 4 Life and his inability to use basic logic (that he himself came up with in another thread earlier today)

Show me the stats that you believe make Chychurn a top 10 d league wide. You can't because they don't exist.

 

[Schemp]

Adam Fox was tremendous as a rookie.

See what a good Harvard education gets you! Kidding aside, Chychrun is a month younger and has played over 330 games already.

 

[Manhattan]

No.

Yes. And yes again.

 

[PainForShane]

Show me the stats that you believe make Chychurn a top 10 d league wide. You can't because they don't exist.

I already did -- top 10 in Norris voting last year / led the league in goals on a completely awful AZ team without forwards who could score (i.e., even tougher to generate offense). Looks like the stats exist