Proposal: Jack Eichel to Anaheim 4 Fair Value

[Zach716]

I can’t even take you seriously with your lack of judgement on what constitutes a blue chip prospect. If you truly believe a 3rd overall pick and another potential top 5 pick aren’t blue chip prospects please find another sport you can educate yourself on so you can hopefully understand it because it seems like hockey is a lost cause for you given your current knowledge and ability to assess a player’s trade value

He’s not a bluechip prospect. Did you also consider Kotkaniemi a bluechip when he was drafted?

Every draft has different tiers. Stutzle for example, also picked #3, is a bluechip. MacTavish is not.

 

[Trojans86]

No, it's not. Hoven, a known connected So Cal hockey insider has already said Adams turned down an offer from Anaheim. In other words, he isn't budging, nor should he. Eichel has 5 yrs on his contract, prime years, and once the injury is addressed, they should be very good years.

Many fans are under the misconception the injury is career ending, it's not. Many are under the impression the ask from Adams is to much, it's not.

Buffalo can and will sit on Eichel until the price is met or he returns to the roster following injury treatment. And in case no one has noticed, Buffalo has the time, as the new management and coaching staff assemble and develop the next round of young players for the rebuild.

In short, Kyven Adams holds all the cards, and he knows it.

Lmao, buffalo is in a HORRIBLE spot with Eichel. The market has no interest in paying what they want so Buffalo is stuck with a player with a serious injury that has been very open about wanting out. That is not good for a young rebuilding team. If the surgery goes south a bit his value could drop to zero because of the cap hit.

 

[Trojans86]

He’s not a bluechip prospect. Did you also consider Kotkaniemi a bluechip when he was drafted?

Every draft has different tiers. Stutzle for example, also picked #3, is a bluechip. MacTavish is not.

We have no idea where mctavish ends up and ill trust arguably the best drafting team in the league over some guy on hfboards. Top 3 pucks are always blue chip prospects until they prove otherwise, especially when the best drafting team pucks him. When kk was drafted he absolutely was a blue chip. He just didnt pan out, which happens sometimes.

 

[Zach716]

We have no idea where mctavish ends up and ill trust arguably the best drafting team in the league over some guy on hfboards. Top 3 pucks are always blue chip prospects until they prove otherwise, especially when the best drafting team pucks him. When kk was drafted he absolutely was a blue chip. He just didnt pan out, which happens sometimes.

He’s not. Hell even another Sabres fan in this thread is saying he doesn’t believe Owen Power is a bluechip, which I can agree with. You don’t inherently get that status from draft position alone. Of course, bluechip is subjective though. If you ask Rangers fans you’ll be dumbfounded that a large amount of their fans call certain prospects bluechip.

 

[Trojans86]

He’s not. Hell even another Sabres fan in this thread is saying he doesn’t believe Owen Power is a bluechip, which I can agree with. You don’t inherently get that status from draft position alone. Of course, bluechip is subjective though. If you ask Rangers fans you’ll be dumbfounded that a large amount of their fans call certain prospects bluechip.

I guess it just depends on your definition. Imo a blue chip has a decent chance to become an all star and I would say Power and McTavish both have a good shot at that. A #1 overall not being a blue chip sounds like the dumbest thing ive ever heard, even in a weaker draft.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

He’s not. Hell even another Sabres fan in this thread is saying he doesn’t believe Owen Power is a bluechip, which I can agree with. You don’t inherently get that status from draft position alone. Of course, bluechip is subjective though. If you ask Rangers fans you’ll be dumbfounded that a large amount of their fans call certain prospects bluechip.

But I think the point is Buffalo isn’t getting a blue chip for eichel(at least by what you consider a blue chip) granted I think you underrate mctavish badly

 

[thewookie1]

But I think the point is Buffalo isn’t getting a blue chip for eichel(at least by what you consider a blue chip) granted I think you underrate mctavish badly

I'd guess Buffalo will get him a surgery prior to giving him away for mediocre pieces. What we cannot do is have another ROR trade.

 

[Voight]

Yes, his inclusion would only make sense if Buffalo intended to flip him. If the Ducks retained 50%, the Sabres could do the same and get his cap hit down under 1M for the year. Rakell for under 1M would draw quite a bit of interest one would think.

Sabres could get a first for him at minimum

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'd guess Buffalo will get him a surgery prior to giving him away for mediocre pieces. What we cannot do is have another ROR trade.

I agree with that…. I think a package will include 2 1sts + good prospect(15-30 range) and another prospect with upside

 

[ManofSteel55]

Ducks are not trading away a unprotected 2022 1st round pick. People need to stop asking for something like that.

For a top 10 centre in the game, the Ducks will need to include that and more. If they Ducks aren't willing to gamble on a possible 1st overall pick, they need to move on from expecting Eichel.

 

[AirGut]

Proposals like this just make no sense and aren't based in reality whatsoever when ANA just drafted McTavish 3rd overall THIS YEAR.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I guess it just depends on your definition. Imo a blue chip has a decent chance to become an all star and I would say Power and McTavish both have a good shot at that. A #1 overall not being a blue chip sounds like the dumbest thing ive ever heard, even in a weaker draft.

To me, a blue chip prospect is someone expected to play multiple all-star games. Like at least 3+.

 

[dracom]

For a top 10 centre in the game, the Ducks will need to include that and more. If they Ducks aren't willing to gamble on a possible 1st overall pick, they need to move on from expecting Eichel.

lol no team is going to gamble a possible 1st overall for a broken disgruntled Eichel.

 

[bsu]

To me, a blue chip prospect is someone expected to play multiple all-star games. Like at least 3+.

So basically someone the Sabres aren't going to get unless they get a draft pick and hit the pick themselves. Name a single young prospect that is "blue chip" that you think a team would trade for a disgruntled, broken Eichel. They will definitely get a high draft pick but the other pieces won't be "3+ time all-stars" that are 17-20 years old. Please list all the blue chip prospects you think a team is going to trade for Eichel.

 

[Ducks in a row]

For a top 10 centre in the game, the Ducks will need to include that and more. If they Ducks aren't willing to gamble on a possible 1st overall pick, they need to move on from expecting Eichel.

No trade between the Ducks and Sabres have been made because the Ducks aren't willing to trade a kings ransom for a in need of surgery Eichel (who wants a surgery his team doesn't want him to get) and I doubt thats changing. Ducks aren't a Eichel away from being a constant playoff team so he wouldn't be a savior for the Ducks just like he hasn't been for the Sabres so Ducks would be crazy to trade a kings ransom for Eichel.

I personally don't want Ducks to trade for him at all.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

I guess it just depends on your definition. Imo a blue chip has a decent chance to become an all star and I would say Power and McTavish both have a good shot at that. A #1 overall not being a blue chip sounds like the dumbest thing ive ever heard, even in a weaker draft.

Ever heard of Nail Yakupov, Ryan Murray and Alex Galchenyuk?

 

[Trojans86]

Ever heard of Nail Yakupov, Ryan Murray and Alex Galchenyuk?

You are comparing a prospect to a guy that we that didnt pan out. Two totally different things. Those guys were blue chips when they were drafted but never panned out. That happens all the time.

 

[Trojans86]

To me, a blue chip prospect is someone expected to play multiple all-star games. Like at least 3+.

Dont you think Power has a chance of becoming that? No gaurantee obviously but he could very easily be 3+ asg type player.

 

[bsu]

Please send a list of blue chip prospects that are on track to make 3+ all star games you want for disgruntled, injured Eichel... that are realistic please.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

So basically someone the Sabres aren't going to get unless they get a draft pick and hit the pick themselves. Name a single young prospect that is "blue chip" that you think a team would trade for a disgruntled, broken Eichel. They will definitely get a high draft pick but the other pieces won't be "3+ time all-stars" that are 17-20 years old. Please list all the blue chip prospects you think a team is going to trade for Eichel.

Amazingly, I’m realistic with the trade return for Eichel. I’ve accepted in these other 67 Eichel trade threads that 3rd overall, Comtois, Dostal, Thrun or Lacombe, and Henrique is an acceptable return (obviously pre-draft). And also pointed out that if the Sabres received Zegras or Drysdale instead of the 3rd overall, then Comtois, a lower prospect (ie Colangelo or someone on his level in the organization) and Henrique is acceptable.

To me, for the Ducks, Zegras and Drysdale have the chance to play 3+ times in the all star game. McTavish once, everyone else is a maybe or a never.

Although if you thought I meant AS1 or AS2, I can see the confusion and I should have worded it better.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Dont you think Power has a chance of becoming that? No gaurantee obviously but he could very easily be 3+ asg type player.

No. If it came to having to trade him or Dahlin away, then Power is gone.

Please send a list of blue chip prospects that are on track to make 3+ all star games you want for disgruntled, injured Eichel... that are realistic please.

Prospects that are realistic? None. But players I’d want back where the rest is lesser?

Zegras, Drysdale, Vilardi, Byfield, Stutzle, Lafreniere, Byram. And obviously 1st overall in 2022 (assuming it ends up being Wright) and 1 & 2 in 2023 (Bedard & Michkov).

 

[Dr Quincy]

I'd guess Buffalo will get him a surgery prior to giving him away for mediocre pieces. What we cannot do is have another ROR trade.

So is the plan to keep him for the next 5 years?

 

[Kublakhan]

So is the plan to keep him for the next 5 years?

yup... Now quit posting in these dumb Eichel threads Sabres fans ....

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Who knows what's realistic. The 4 1sts isn't though. That's just a high starting ask. An offer of roster players without a good prospect is too far the opposite way. Adams has an eye toward the future. The Sabres won't be competing soon. It has to be based around a prospect or 1sts. The quality of the prospect he can get isn't known.

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

The real takeaway from this saga is knowing that TheJackAttack won't defend Eichel's value at his most pivotal time.