stokes84
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Wait, you think Eichel is piss poor defensively? He could honestly be in Selke contention this year...
Jack Eichel is quietly becoming a top-5 player in the league
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Wait, you think Eichel is piss poor defensively? He could honestly be in Selke contention this year...
I said even if he was, meaning his offense alone is just that good.
Panthaz89
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Considering the Sabres PP has been utter crap the past month.....he should be able to produce more points with assists if the Sabres PP unit actually starts scoring at a normal rate again.
If you're gonna get all 'mathy'; sample size for shooting % statistical significance should be based on SHOTS not games.
To be fair to the meme poster you point doesn't make sense. Statistical significance is determined by a number of trial outcomes; in this instance shots.
a mangy Meowth
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Since the Nucks and Sabres are expansion cousins and for whatever other reasons there are a ton of Sabre fans on our forum CDC, me included. Its nice to see Jack coming into his own and seeing both teams with at least two legit young superstars in Jack and Rasmus and Quinn and Petey. All four have the skill to takeover games and none have even reached their peak yet. Throw in Bo, Brock and Miller for the Nucks and Sam Olofson and the future looks really good for our awesome cup starved fan bases.
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To be honest the Avs PP have also been dog**** too it doesn't help that Makar is hurt so "muffin shot" Girard is taking his place. Either way this will be an interesting race between our stars
Anyone calling Eichel piss poor defensively should just back the hell out of this thread.
Did you miss where I’ve repeatedly said in this thread including just a few posts before your own at the bottom of page 17 that Mackinnon is ahead of Eichel and should be the Hart favourite too?
Who knows if he will keep that, he’s always been dominant in offensive possession and transition even when not top five in league scoring so it’s just a matter of puck luck and confidence really.
Well then good sir, It’s a great thing we’re not just relying on this 20 percent of the season where he’s scored a point in every game in a row then for consistency. And why? Glad you asked.
He’s been pretty consistent since the start of his second season. Wouldn’t you agree? I mean...
16-17 —- 57 Pts in 61 games (following high ankle sprain, 19-20 years old finished a point back of top ten in points per game in the entire league in just his second year)
17-18 —-64 Pts in 67 games l(league worst offense, league worst team following high ankle sprain to other foot)
18-19 —-82 pts in 77 games (only player in the top 25 in scoring who didn’t have any teammate get over 65 points)
19-20 —-46 pts in 33 games (15 game point streak, 1st in even strength goals, off possession, end to end rushes, second overall in goals, fifth in points, top ten in assists, 3rd in total offensive zone entries from anywhere, and 2nd place out if who had the highest plus minus of the top ten scorers in league right now which is all notable because he plays for BUFFALO....)
Infact all of these numbers are a testament to how great he’s really always been. (Spraining both ankles aside) always having to play against every top shutdown guy every single shift of his career. Never having a true number one in net where you could take more chances, has never had a legit superstar to play with on his wing. Skinner or a star, (last year when they played together) but i mean superstar. A lot of the centres have them. Draisaitl for instance, how many more points would Eichel have this season if he had draisaitl or Pastrnak, or rantanen, or Marner on his wing?
See, you think about that and you think five to ten points at least. Well if that’s the case look who would hypothetically lead the league in scoring. ...
But yeah...just a hot streak....
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Let's not get carried away. He isn't a liability in any sense of the word, but he sure as hell isn't anywhere near Selke contention.
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Nothing in your message contradicts my statement. I think you need to google the meaning of "sample size". If you are too busy to do it, then all you need to know is that the generally accepted sample size in case of NHL is 82. It's not 15.
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Sabresruletheschool
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On a bad hair day lol. But I'm sure he's not hurting when it comes to getting the ladies.
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Just need him to keep playing just the way he is now for the whole year. If he plays out his career playing like this, he'll be a top two or three center in the NHL.
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Man, you’re just losing a battle that never really should if started. It’s clear you have issues with Eichel destroying the league but you have to really check what you’re saying.
What are you even talking about, it’s 82 and not 15? So he has to go in an 82 game point streak? And even if that’s not what you mean with your whole sample size talk i literally just posted out a sample size greater the. 82. Did you not just see me post like 240ish games where he’s not Been consistent as hell since he start of his second season.
Your literally talking like the guy is on a 15 game point streak, and he hasn’t been productive until now because fifteen is a small sample size. Can you not see he’s leading the league in a ton of offensive statistics and is basically top five to ten in everything else. I’m pretty sure you can at this point, given I just wrote out a huge sample size and yet you still come back with (15!) as if I didn’t say 240 games, which is a a bit higher then the 82 you’re asking. So I think we all know what’s going on here. Its there its just that you don’t want to see it. So all good. Have a nice night.
Honestly I don’t know what’s better right now, watching a guy I slays knew was one of the most underrated/talented players in the league play so well or seeing all the posters still try and devalue or throw shade on whatever they can. It sounds desperate at this point. Lol
It’s really awesome to see you saying this considering the conversation/debates we’ve had the past few years on this topic (edit- I thought I quoted what you said about Superior to Matthews) anyway... and I always went back and forth with who I thought was better even though I always stood up for Jack obviously. I just settled for being convinced Matthews was the better goal scorer and Eichels the better playmaker. And I STILL think Matthews is the better goal scorer but is that really going out on a limb, he has like what, three less goals? Lol
Honestly all I ever wanted to express (but it turned into long posts -mostly by me yes) was that I was one of the few who actually watched BOTH players. Some (don’t think you) laughed at the thought Eichel had a higher offensive ceiling and kept getting BASED on what!?, replies to that, and kept getting thrown per 60/, minutes and crap like that I was just trying to say, when you watch players enough you tend to know what they’re capable of. I think because I’m such a fan, that blinded a lot of people who don’t watch him or at least Influenced them into thinking I was JUST a huge homer. I mean I am but I wasn’t declaring all those things about him based solely out of bias and hope. I saw what was there, and I saw what was there out of the players who I’m being told were tiers ahead by some. At the end of the day though it doesent matter who’s better, they’re both making their way into top 5 center company and should remain there for at least a decade.
Agreed, through it I’d rather amazing seeing him with a much higher plus minus then both Mackinnon and Barkov ....yeah just plus minus hit still...when you consider he’s on a worse team with worse goalies. Not sure if the goalies numbers are worse this year because I knew bobz was struggling but if you still ask anyone who has the worst goalies of the three teams buffalo would be named. And there’s other great numbers.
Being first in transition is actually an underrated component to being good defensively because you’re literally taking the puck out of the danger zone into the scoring zone, and you’re doing it better and more often then anyone in the league. So I get the fact about people talking about his defensive prowess improving or being strong there at least the last two seasons. His mobile skating style allows for useful back checking, with those strides, easy to adapt to possession changes with those glides in the neutral zone, has a very good sense for where it will go as most stars do. In saying that though.....
You’re absolutely right, selke and Eichel shouldn’t be put together. lol I think that guy was probably just thinking of the past month when talking selke he really should never be talked about in that sense as of right now and probably forever....Just like Matthews when he played great defensively for a couple months a season or two ago Ferraro was a moron to say he should be a finalist. But as I said above those transition numbers, his skating ability, crazy contrast in plus minus (when team numbers haven’t altered much) and effort he’s putting in on a consistent basis definitely has people impressed. I don’t think people understand how amazing that is that a 23 year old who sprained BOTH his ankles (high ankle sprains are no joke) in the last few years is first place in the best league in the world in transition. I find it even more impressive he was first at the age of just turning twenty a mere months after spraining his ankle in his second season. I remember the articles about how he was just ahead of mcdavid in that department in 16-17.
I always find it kind of arrogant (maybe?) when fans nominate players for the selke on their own team because it’s like...there are 30 other teams you’re not watching (most fans anyway) and you’re declaring a guy on your team is better then all the others you don’t consistently see...lol
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Nobody should really be surprised,this kid had all the tools and showed flashes very early...It only took a little time for him to find his comfort zone...Any other draft has him 1st OA without question
A lot of players don't play 82 games in a season. I would say you are dead WRONG.
Also do you have that link where it says sample size in the NHL is 82 games? You said it is generally accepted.
Also by its own definition sample size would never never never be the ENTIRE season. That defeats the whole point of the term SAMPLE SIZE
Generally accepted sample size of anything out of anywhere no matter what would mean a part of the whole. I mean that is what the term means.
I am getting away from my initial point.
If sample size is 82 games and players miss a game here or there and play 78 then according to you that player fails to meet the threshold of games played to determine if he is consistent or not.
Matthews hasn't played 82 games since his rookie season, I guess we cannot determine if he is consistent the last 3 years since he didn't play 82 games.
Landeskog hasn't played 82 games in 5 years
Victor Hendman has never played 82 games so we couldn't even use him in your formula.
Brad Marchand hasn't played 82 games in like 6 years.
Shall I go on or do you want to google it?
So again I would say that it is NOT generally accepted that a sample size is 82 games. I am not sure where you even pulled that number out of and why you said it is generally accepted.
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Islanders are kind of heavy and can target Eichel. Games like these highlights the issues of having a soft coach/gm. No one can protect him or give him space. Meanwhile Martin and Clutterbuck are out there looking for a big hit.
Dubas style GM's and european coaches (adhering to european hockey) will never work in this league.
Dubas style GM's and european coaches (adhering to european hockey) will never work in this league.
Eichel and Matthews are at the same level now with Eichel threatening to push ahead and become the better overall player, wouldn’t of predicted this after their rookie years. Eichel keeps progressing and is an elite player.
