Speculation: Jack Eichel cont'd

[Team Cozens]

next year the NMC kicks in and normally teams trade players who want out,you dont want that kind of attitude in a locker room specially with all those young players

Oh I agree he will be traded before the NMC kicks in but they will always remain in control till the trade happens.

 

[Kranix]

Adams shopped Eichel in the summer, telling teams what, "make me an offer for Jack Eichel, as is where is?" Now he's "working" with Brisson, some teams have the medical records and some of those teams will allow ADR, and Adams is still saying he's in control.

 

[GuerinUp]

What would buffalo think of a return of Fiala+greenway+ one prospect of your choice or next years 1st?

 

[thewookie1]

What would buffalo think of a return of Fiala+greenway+ one prospect of your choice or next years 1st?

Well if its Rossi or Boldy Buffalo would likely say yes

 

[Djp]

next year the NMC kicks in and normally teams trade players who want out,you dont want that kind of attitude in a locker room specially with all those young players

they suspend him before 40 IR games he does not accrue year 7 and the NMC tolls…

no surgery are grounds for suspension

 

[Djp]

Adams: We have clarity now. It's clear to me I am backed into a corner and Jack will soon go to one of the teams he prefers who will let him get ADR

he isn’t.

they still need to meet the ask on a trade.

 

[nbducksfan19]

Oh I agree he will be traded before the NMC kicks in but they will always remain in control till the trade happens.

I am just curious, what do you think is most probable to happen between now and then that would increase his value? Diamond hands is one thing, but knowing when to fold them is the real skill.

IMO there is a much higher probability that Eichel's value only further declines between now and his NMC. I find it highly optimistic to think Eichel will get surgery, come back this season after all that time off, and outperform his $10M contract.

 

[Djp]

What would buffalo think of a return of Fiala+greenway+ one prospect of your choice or next years 1st?

it would be both

they need to bring back enough salary to make the float
And get
A recent 1st round pick
A condition 1st in 2 years based on him pkaying 2 regular season games or 1 playoff games.

 

[Legend123]

Just confirms the Sabres aren't settling for a mediocre package. Diamond Hands Adams.

He should stop saying every time he has a chance to lol

 

[GuerinUp]

it would be both

they need to bring back enough salary to make the float
And get
A recent 1st round pick
A condition 1st in 2 years based on him pkaying 2 regular season games or 1 playoff games.

i can promise you theyll never get both if fiala and greenway are in the package (which theyd need to be)

 

[Bazeek]

it would be both

they need to bring back enough salary to make the float
And get
A recent 1st round pick
A condition 1st in 2 years based on him pkaying 2 regular season games or 1 playoff games.

If this is what Adams is holding out for we're not going to see this resolved any time soon.

 

[Jim Bob]

Great interview with GM Adams this morning on WGR 550 discussing Adams. If someone can post them, that would be great.

Adams - We have to get the right value that will help move our franchise in the right direction. If we don't get that value, then why would we make a move?

 

[Team Cozens]

I am just curious, what do you think is most probable to happen between now and then that would increase his value? Diamond hands is one thing, but knowing when to fold them is the real skill.

IMO there is a much higher probability that Eichel's value only further declines between now and his NMC. I find it highly optimistic to think Eichel will get surgery, come back this season after all that time off, and outperform his $10M contract.

That's exactly what I think is going to happen. Eichel will get his surgery, come back this season in time for the Olympics and perform to his $10M contract. I believe the surgery will happen very soon.

 

[Team Cozens]

i can promise you theyll never get both if fiala and greenway are in the package (which theyd need to be)

Agreed.... Fiala & Rask + prospect.

 

[57special]

What would buffalo think of a return of Fiala+greenway+ one prospect of your choice or next years 1st?

Slow down there, Cowboy. I'm sure as hell not going to offer Fiala + Greenway + Boldy/Rossi/Marat/Beckman/2022 1st . Maybe Fiala + Rask + Beckman/Marat/2022 1st(conditions attached) + 2023 2nd.

 

[nbducksfan19]

That's exactly what I think is going to happen. Eichel will get his surgery, come back this season in time for the Olympics and perform to his $10M contract. I believe the surgery will happen very soon.

Like I said, very optimistic...

Which surgery would he get, who do you think will budge? ... I think Eichel may very well prepared to sit out a year rather than have a neck surgery he is not comfortable with.

 

[GuerinUp]

Slow down there, Cowboy. I'm sure as hell not going to offer Fiala + Greenway + Boldy/Rossi/Marat/Beckman/2022 1st . Maybe Fiala + Rask + Beckman/Marat/2022 1st(conditions attached) + 2023 2nd.

i would, if they retained a little especially

 

[57special]

i would, if they retained a little especially

I think you are underestimating how much it would destroy MN if Eichel's neck turned out to be a chronic problem affecting his play going forward. Guerin is not going to send Fiala and Rossi/Boldy + for him.

O also don't think KA will retain for the next 5 years. If he will retain about 1.5-2M, then you start to think about it, but i don't see it happening.

 

[GuerinUp]

I think you are underestimating how much it would destroy MN if Eichel's neck turned out to be a chronic problem affecting his play going forward. Guerin is not going to send Fiala and Rossi/Boldy + for him.

O also don't think KA will retain for the next 5 years. If he will retain about 1.5-2M, then you start to think about it, but i don't see it happening.

i understand your concern, but if his neck turns out to not be a chronic problem can you say boldy or rossi have shown they will be that caliber of player? I dont think so. We also have prospects (beckman, marat) that are rising fast to the caliber of prospect that those two are at now. So it makes the deal easier for me. Fiala is probably gone after this year anyways barring a shuffle on the roster. So in all honesty this seems like a fair hockey trade.

 

[Team Cozens]

Like I said, very optimistic...

Which surgery would he get, who do you think will budge? ... I think Eichel may very well prepared to sit out a year rather than have a neck surgery he is not comfortable with.

I suspect the Sabres allow his ADR surgery. It's a PR nightmare otherwise with the whole my body my choice - cancel culture out there these days. Zero chance Eichel sits the season. None.

 

[duckpuck]

Not in the Sabres mind and they are the ones in control for 5 years.

As long as they're willing to pay $10M (or uninsured portion thereof) for the privilege of not trading him and deal with all the drama, then I guess you're right. But don't pretend there are no costs to keeping him in the status quo.

 

[57special]

i understand your concern, but if his neck turns out to not be a chronic problem can you say boldy or rossi have shown they will be that caliber of player? I dont think so. We also have prospects (beckman, marat) that are rising fast to the caliber of prospect that those two are at now. So it makes the deal easier for me. Fiala is probably gone after this year anyways barring a shuffle on the roster. So in all honesty this seems like a fair hockey trade.

A lot of ifs here that seem to be ignoring cap implications. I am by no means expecting Boldy or Rossi to be the equal of a healthy Eichel. Fiala is a 24 yo 1st line player with one year of team control left after this one. Still not close to a healthy Eichel, but he's worth something. B + R are on ELC's. That's worth something. Eichel is being paid 10M. That matters.

If MN were assured that they were getting a pre 2020 Eichel with no neck problems you'd do Fiala + B/R + Greenway + quite easily. The problem here is what happens if Eichel ends have chronic neck problems that cause to either sit out, or play at a lower level than you are accustomed to seeing? Then you have added a liability to the team that not only has cost you some good players, but is killing you cap wise. Bottom line is that 2019 Eichel is very good, 2020 Eichel was not, and post surgery Eichel might be a declining asset.

I don't agree that Fiala is gone after this year. Why would they do that? If they are prepared to pay 10M long term for a (potentially) damaged C, then why not pay Fiala 7- 7.5M instead, especially if Rossi is showing signs, and Marat decides to come over after having a strong KHL season?

Until we know how Eichel will heal up and withstand the rigors of the NHL post surgery it's near impossible to say what is the right value for him. The only thing I can say for sure is that KA has goofed up this whole process. He should have quietly let Eichel have the ADR back in June, then moved him for the best possible value as soon as he started skating. He would've been gone by now, and the Sabres might've had a player or two to show for it, as well as a prospect/pick or two, whereas now they have a 10M hole in their bottom line that is sapping the morale and goodwill of the team.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Oh I agree he will be traded before the NMC kicks in but they will always remain in control till the trade happens.

The NMC is now extended until July 13, 2022 which is fairly key

 

[nbducksfan19]

I suspect the Sabres allow his ADR surgery. It's a PR nightmare otherwise with the whole my body my choice - cancel culture out there these days. Zero chance Eichel sits the season. None.

If that is the case, what in the world are the sabres waiting for? LOL you think the Sabres have perspective to avoid a PR nightmare....do you even follow the team?

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Monahan + Valimaki + Zary/Pelletier + 1st + 2nd