Post-Game Talk: Jack Campbell is a Toronto Maple Leaf. Leafs win.

[meefer]

I called him horrible right now. Where do I fit in the embarrassment spectrum?

I take it that you're unable to appreciate the nature of my comment, or you're simply attempting to get a rise out of me. If the former, let me know and we can chat. If the latter, what's the point in me attempting to answer a silly question?

 

[meefer]

I feel you but very few of us are making millions to deliver these performances...salary is tied to expectation, if he was a league minimum goalie he’d have a lot more leash from the fan base but he isn’t...let’s not pretend they aren’t paid handsomely for the abuse they take from the fan base (honestly who cares what a bunch of non NHL’ers think about your play) I work direct with the public and take a good share of vitriol from them for 1/1000 of what he makes so you’ll have to excuse me for not really caring if it hurts his feelings...want the salary perform to expectations or find a new job (and this is coming from a guy who isn’t against Freddie in the slightest)

I don't understand the salary argument at all. By all means criticize, I'll never suggest otherwise. But, to call people worthless, dogshit, losers, etc., whilst claiming to be fans, is imo immature and absolutely contrary to what it means to be a fan of a team. They earn what they earn because of their special skills and because people are willing to pay good money to watch those skills. The expectations they hold are fine, the expressions of their frustrations can go beyond what can be considered acceptable.

Sorry to hear about the crap you're taking from the public.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

I don't understand the salary argument at all. By all means criticize, I'll never suggest otherwise. But, to call people worthless, dogshit, losers, etc., whilst claiming to be fans, is imo immature and absolutely contrary to what it means to be a fan of a team. They earn what they earn because of their special skills and because people are willing to pay good money to watch those skills. The expectations they hold are fine, the expressions of their frustrations can go beyond what can be considered acceptable.

Sorry to hear about the crap you're taking from the public.

I appreciate it, it just comes with the territory lol...some of it can go overboard I don’t disagree with you but special skills or not there are expectations tied to salary (in my business or in yours) if you aren’t holding up your end of the bargain then you get fired in the real world not given time off to “get your head right” I don’t argue Freddie isn’t a phenomenal goalie because he most certainly is (thus why he is in the best league in the world) I am only arguing against their precious feelings being hurt...they chose this line of work and everything that comes with it good and bad so I have difficulty giving sympathy to a bunch of people who will never have to worry about the basic necessities of life for the entirety of theirs going forward...can I empathize...of course but sympathy just isn’t there...maybe that’s a product of what I’ve gone through in life or maybe I’m just a jerk but it is what it is lol

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I take it that you're unable to appreciate the nature of my comment, or you're simply attempting to get a rise out of me. If the former, let me know and we can chat. If the latter, what's the point in me attempting to answer a silly question?

I take it that you're unable to appreciate the nature of my comment, or you're simply attempting to get a rise out of me. If the former, let me know and we can chat. If the latter, what's the point in me attempting to answer a silly question?

I was being genuine. Curious if you think me calling Freddy horrible in his present form falls into the category of fans "hurting the team" or if I'm an "embarrassment to the fan base".

Oh, and for the record, yes, I have a job where I get criticized on a daily basis by contractors, plans examiners, other consultants, you name it. My approach has been to ignore it and let the client decide who's being the professional. Works very well since I probably don't want to work for a client that's too stupid to see who the antagonist is.

 

[meefer]

I appreciate it, it just comes with the territory lol...some of it can go overboard I don’t disagree with you but special skills or not there are expectations tied to salary (in my business or in yours) if you aren’t holding up your end of the bargain then you get fired in the real world not given time off to “get your head right” I don’t argue Freddie isn’t a phenomenal goalie because he most certainly is (thus why he is in the best league in the world) I am only arguing against their precious feelings being hurt...they chose this line of work and everything that comes with it good and bad so I have difficulty giving sympathy to a bunch of people who will never have to worry about the basic necessities of life for the entirety of theirs going forward...can I empathize...of course but sympathy just isn’t there...maybe that’s a product of what I’ve gone through in life or maybe I’m just a jerk but it is what it is lol

We apparently look at things differently (maybe not so differently), but I appreciate the humor at the end of your comment. It really can be as simple as that, disagree but smile when doing it. Cheers.

 

[meefer]

I was being genuine. Curious if you think me calling Freddy horrible in his present form falls into the category of fans "hurting the team" or if I'm an "embarrassment to the fan base".

Oh, and for the record, yes, I have a job where I get criticized on a daily basis by contractors, plans examiners, other consultants, you name it. My approach has been to ignore it and let the client decide who's being the professional. Works very well since I probably don't want to work for a client that's too stupid to see who the antagonist is.

Fair enough, friend, and I apologize for thinking otherwise. No, saying Fred is a horrible goaltender doesn't bother me at all, your comment being directed towards his form. Perhaps my initial post was less than clear, my disappointment is with fans attacking the person, not the person's performance.

I commend you on your approach to dealing with the criticism you receive, it's not an easy thing to do and you're position is quite rational. To connect it to my earlier point, your decision to not want to work for a client that's that stupid is why I think what fans say in frustration and anger is wrong. I know this is just a 'hockey board' and things get wound up, I just hate seeing people attacking people...criticize the performance, not the person. Idealistic, sure, but sometimes... Cheers.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

We apparently look at things differently (maybe not so differently), but I appreciate the humor at the end of your comment. It really can be as simple as that, disagree but smile when doing it. Cheers.

Cheers meefer keep fighting the good fight

 

[meefer]

Cheers meefer keep fighting the good fight

I think I should change my handle to Don Quixote

 

[JayfromNB1219]

I think I should change my handle to Don Quixote

Be careful those windmills are tricky...almost as tricky as Martin Marincin trying to dangle someone

 

[Confucius]

I feel you but very few of us are making millions to deliver these performances...salary is tied to expectation, if he was a league minimum goalie he’d have a lot more leash from the fan base but he isn’t...let’s not pretend they aren’t paid handsomely for the abuse they take from the fan base (honestly who cares what a bunch of non NHL’ers think about your play) I work direct with the public and take a good share of vitriol from them for 1/1000 of what he makes so you’ll have to excuse me for not really caring if it hurts his feelings...want the salary perform to expectations or find a new job (and this is coming from a guy who isn’t against Freddie in the slightest)

This year Hutch didn't have a very long leash one bad start, 1/2 a period 2 goals and its ok you are out of here, see ya around. LOL

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Fair enough, friend, and I apologize for thinking otherwise. No, saying Fred is a horrible goaltender doesn't bother me at all, your comment being directed towards his form. Perhaps my initial post was less than clear, my disappointment is with fans attacking the person, not the person's performance.

I commend you on your approach to dealing with the criticism you receive, it's not an easy thing to do and you're position is quite rational. To connect it to my earlier point, your decision to not want to work for a client that's that stupid is why I think what fans say in frustration and anger is wrong. I know this is just a 'hockey board' and things get wound up, I just hate seeing people attacking people...criticize the performance, not the person. Idealistic, sure, but sometimes... Cheers.

Agreed all around.

 

[willmma]

its called the you are too dumb to remember freddy making close to 40 saves including this one to STEAL a game for the leafs cause you're nothing but a whine and moan piss and bitch fan with no real clue what the grind is like playing behind Alexei Marchenko, Roman Polak, Matt Hunwik, Ron Hainsey, Jake Gardiner, Martin Marincin and still putting up top 3 wins in the last 6 years with a .922 against the Bruins who were clearly better than a rebuilding young leafs team that had no business making the playoffs but Frederik Andersen dragged your shit team in to the post season anyway.

Oh man, I hate the Boston Bruins. Filthy disgusting players.

 

[Lightsol]

Why Andersen received no 'serious criticism' after the fiasco in Boston series, is beyond me. Andy and his pal Rielly were the reason for the loss. While Kadri got all the heat. And now Andersen makes me miss 07-08 Toskala.

Well, THERE's some serious rewriting of Leafs history...

 

[Gary Nylund]

Read your posts. You're the one attacking everyone as biased.

So now I'm "attacking everyone". Sleep it off Zeke.

There was a time when goalies shared duties far more than today. Nothing wrong with such an approach.

At this point, the default goalie should be Campbell until he goes cold. He is 4-0 and has two of our three shutouts (Hutch has the other).

This sort of sharing doesn't happen often but it absolutely can work. And agree 100% with the bolded. Gotta give the man a chance, would be unfortunate if he was our saviour but never got a chance to show it. Give that man his chance!

.922 versus the Bruins in 7 games. .936 vs the Blue Jackets.

Freddy let in 1 goal in the first 2 games vs CBJ and the Leafs only won the game where he got a shutout.

Lets not forget the time Freddy STOLE A GAME vs the Bruins. near 40 save night including this 10 beller.



You are TOO dumb so see what is clearly in front of you. GO watch another sport or another team. Freddy ain't going no where.

Indeed! Freddie was a borderline top 10 goalie his first 3 years here and the most baffling narrative in these parts is that "he's never stolen a game for us".

Andersen was a top 10 goalie for sure during that stretch. Problem is that he's fallen so far off that cliff that I have no faith he can recover from it.

Since Keefe took over we've been one of the best teams at limiting shots and high danger chances yet Andersen's SV% has absolutely tanked during that time. He's been horrendous on the PK and has let in the first shot of the game 8 times in the last year and a half.

It's scary how bad he's been.

How many games is that?

I think it says it all that in trying to defend Andersen saying how he steals games in the playoffs you could only find one instance of him making a big save in one. Whereas on the other end of the spectrum you could have a whole lowlight reel of terrible goals he’s allowed in elimination games, including a bunch of short side ones at or near the goal line.

You really think he can't find another one if he wanted to? Come on now.

Thank you for posting this.

I am not defending Freddy for his recent play. It has not been good enough. But a player for our team who has historically been above average, has played to the best of his abilities, who has played more than any other goalie in the league over the past 5 years, faced more shots, while supporting a defensively suspect team, does not deserve the shit that people are hurling his way. He's a Maple Leaf. I support my team and its players. Criticism is fine, abuse is not.

I wonder how many here have a public position of responsibility, a job that presents the daily critique that is an ever present concern for an NHL player. How many of these people would put up with the constant barrage of analysis, or the outright vitriol directed towards them for the job they are doing? I suspect few. And yet, here they are, constantly insulting and berating a member of the team they profess to love. Madness, and to speak forthrightly, insulting.

If you think I'm speaking about you, I probably am. To those who are simply observing fact, and commenting on how this is hurting the team, my comments are not directed towards you. To those of you who go out of your way to demean a player, to outright call him "dogshit", which I've seen twice in the last day or two, grow up. You're an embarrassment to this fan base.

Well said. That's a succinct summary of everything I've been saying for a while now. He hasn't been good, not last season (except for the playoffs which is where it really counts) and certainly not this season and it's hard to have much faith in him any more. But FFS, he should NOT take 100% of the blame for every loss we suffer and he is NOT to blame for every goal we allow and some of stuff I've been reading here lately sounds like it's written by 9 year olds in a shitty mood.

I support my team and ALL it's players. GLG!!

 

[sxvnert]

The media wing of Andersen apologists are kicking it into high gear this morning.
"Campbell has no track record as a starter!" unlike Jordan Binnington a few years back.

 

[zeke]

The media wing of Andersen apologists are kicking it into high gear this morning.
"Campbell has no track record as a starter!" unlike Jordan Binnington a few years back.

Not a few years back - just one cup back.

A few years back is Murray.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

its called the you are too dumb to remember freddy making close to 40 saves including this one to STEAL a game for the leafs cause you're nothing but a whine and moan piss and bitch fan with no real clue what the grind is like playing behind Alexei Marchenko, Roman Polak, Matt Hunwik, Ron Hainsey, Jake Gardiner, Martin Marincin and still putting up top 3 wins in the last 6 years with a .922 against the Bruins who were clearly better than a rebuilding young leafs team that had no business making the playoffs but Frederik Andersen dragged your shit team in to the post season anyway.

The 2 hander from Marchand on Rielly at the end is pretty brutal too. Of course a non call

 

[zeke]

Thank you for posting this.

I am not defending Freddy for his recent play. It has not been good enough. But a player for our team who has historically been above average, has played to the best of his abilities, who has played more than any other goalie in the league over the past 5 years, faced more shots, while supporting a defensively suspect team, does not deserve the shit that people are hurling his way. He's a Maple Leaf. I support my team and its players. Criticism is fine, abuse is not.

I wonder how many here have a public position of responsibility, a job that presents the daily critique that is an ever present concern for an NHL player. How many of these people would put up with the constant barrage of analysis, or the outright vitriol directed towards them for the job they are doing? I suspect few. And yet, here they are, constantly insulting and berating a member of the team they profess to love. Madness, and to speak forthrightly, insulting.

If you think I'm speaking about you, I probably am. To those who are simply observing fact, and commenting on how this is hurting the team, my comments are not directed towards you. To those of you who go out of your way to demean a player, to outright call him "dogshit", which I've seen twice in the last day or two, grow up. You're an embarrassment to this fan base.

All this "poor fred" stuff is so tiring, especially when Fred has been and is still treated better than so many of our other players.

Stop crying about hurt feelings.

Fred has been very bad this year, and the weakest part of the team - by a large margin. He was below average last year too....and that poor play actually extended a good way into the previous season as well.

And yet through all of this, we have played Fred as an unquestioned heavy workload #1 starter game in and game out, no matter how poorly he has played. We have media refusing to do their jobs and point out that he's playing badly, instead blaming a defense that has played very very well all year long.

The idea that Fred is somehow hard done by is silly and tiresome.

 

[Cor]

All this "poor fred" stuff is so tiring, especially when Fred has and is still treated better than so many of our other players.

Stop crying about hurt feelings.

Fred has been very bad this year, and the weakest part of the team - by a large margin. He was below average last year too....and that poor play actually extended a good way into the previous season as well.

And yet through all of this, we have played Fred as an unquestioned heavy workload #1 starter game in and game out, no matter how poorly he has played. We have media refusing to do their jobs and point out that he's playing badly, instead blaming a defense that has played very very well all year long.

The idea that Fred is somehow hard done by is silly and tiresome.

I did a comparison of Jon Quick and Freddy in the trade rumors thread. Whatever people's thoughts of Quick are over the past two seasons, should be the same for Freddy. They are almost absolutely identical.

When you look at GSAA and GSAx, Quick is better in some cases.

 

[81Leafs50]

I think it says it all that in trying to defend Andersen saying how he steals games in the playoffs you could only find one instance of him making a big save in one. Whereas on the other end of the spectrum you could have a whole lowlight reel of terrible goals he’s allowed in elimination games, including a bunch of short side ones at or near the goal line.

I pointed to something this stupid fan base say Andersen never does in the playoffs. Steal games. Video evidence. Statistical evidence. NOW SIT DOWN.

Vasilevski's career playoff SAV% is .918. He won a cup with a .927 SAV% last year. Freddy puts up .922 and .936 in back to back years and hes the issue in this town. RIGHT

clowns in this town have to trade someone every year. Freddy is just the flavor of the month. Hey I wonder how Kappinen is doing in PITT, or Kadri in COL.....

ALSO, talking about your low lite reel.....every player has one. that is why career numbers matter. At the end of the day you are who your stats say you are.

LAST season Adrei Vasilevski had a 20 game stretch where he posted a .901 SAV%.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Same game basically as past few da team has played ... only 1 real difference and it was change of goaler ... very simple Watson ... there were really only 2-3 chances in game and we got those saves for a change ... let's hope Soupy can stay injury free and I think we are fine ... but his injury history has been staggering so it is a big worry ... Soupy goes down in playoffs and kiss season good bye as Freddy and Hutch OMG bad

 

[Ziggdiezan]

At this point it would be crazy to start Freddy over Campbell. If Freddy is injured, especially a groin injury, your not going to make it any better giving him a ton of starts. However you also don't want to rush Campbell as we need him healthy.

Ride the hot goalie and rehab Andersen If Campbell is able to play a decent workload. Leafs shouldn't have a problem making the playoffs and shouldn't be scared of any team so slipping into the final seed isn't terrible. Rather have a healthy Matthews for the playoffs than him playing through thay wrist injury too.

Andersen had a few very good years for a young leaf team and kept them in a ton of games they had no buisness being in. For whatever reason he hasn't been the same the last while and sometimes you gotta just move on.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

Isn’t it anti-Dubas to say Freddie has been terrible for years? In that case the GM should be the first person to know and then deal with the situation.

I’m not anti dubas so my perspective is that he was declining and mediocre last regular season, very good for the play in, and now really bad this season (possibly exasperated by a groin injury and confidence issues).

 

[Jmo89]

All this "poor fred" stuff is so tiring, especially when Fred has been and is still treated better than so many of our other players.

Stop crying about hurt feelings.

Fred has been very bad this year, and the weakest part of the team - by a large margin. He was below average last year too....and that poor play actually extended a good way into the previous season as well.

And yet through all of this, we have played Fred as an unquestioned heavy workload #1 starter game in and game out, no matter how poorly he has played. We have media refusing to do their jobs and point out that he's playing badly, instead blaming a defense that has played very very well all year long.

The idea that Fred is somehow hard done by is silly and tiresome.

Even if Freddy was the best goalie in the league a few years back (he wasn't), he's been bad two seasons in a row now. Price was the best goalie in the league at one point, but we likely wouldn't touch him.

It's time to move on. And considering he's failed to get the team out of the first round, it likely won't be a huge loss.

 

[sxvnert]

At this point it would be crazy to start Freddy over Campbell. If Freddy is injured, especially a groin injury, your not going to make it any better giving him a ton of starts. However you also don't want to rush Campbell as we need him healthy.

Ride the hot goalie and rehab Andersen If Campbell is able to play a decent workload. Leafs shouldn't have a problem making the playoffs and shouldn't be scared of any team so slipping into the final seed isn't terrible. Rather have a healthy Matthews for the playoffs than him playing through thay wrist injury too.

Andersen had a few very good years for a young leaf team and kept them in a ton of games they had no buisness being in. For whatever reason he hasn't been the same the last while and sometimes you gotta just move on.

Leafs could give Campbell the next 3-4 starts followed by a Hutch start. They could play up the injured narrative and now that campbells back he can fully "rest".

Put Andersen back in on Apr 4 or 5th vs the Flames. That would give Andersen two full weeks of rest and no excuses.