Post-Game Talk: Jack Campbell is a Toronto Maple Leaf. Leafs win.

[Leafsfan74]

The thing with Andersen is that he's always been streaky. When he's good, he's amazing. When he's bad, he's Toskala tier.

Which is why, when healthy, I think they should go Andersen 1A, Campbell 1B. When Andersen is looking good, go with him. But Keefe needs the balls to immediately go Campbell when Andersen looks off.

I actually think this is a great situation for the leafs. Andersen is elite tier when he's "on". And when he's off, we finally have a very good 1b to fill in.

If it turns out Andersen just doesn't get his mojo back, then render him the backup.

I don't understand the "divide" in the fanbase. This is a great situation to be in. Hopefully we can have both of them 100% healthy at the same time, which has barely happened all year.

There was a time when goalies shared duties far more than today. Nothing wrong with such an approach.

At this point, the default goalie should be Campbell until he goes cold. He is 4-0 and has two of our three shutouts (Hutch has the other).

 

[DarenX]

The thing with Andersen is that he's always been streaky. When he's good, he's amazing. When he's bad, he's Toskala tier.

Which is why, when healthy, I think they should go Andersen 1A, Campbell 1B. When Andersen is looking good, go with him. But Keefe needs the balls to immediately go Campbell when Andersen looks off.

I actually think this is a great situation for the leafs. Andersen is elite tier when he's "on". And when he's off, we finally have a very good 1b to fill in.

If it turns out Andersen just doesn't get his mojo back, then render him the backup.

I don't understand the "divide" in the fanbase. This is a great situation to be in. Hopefully we can have both of them 100% healthy at the same time, which has barely happened all year.

I'm with you 100% on this one. Unless Jacky get injured again... then we may have some spending.

 

[Notsince67]

Read your posts. You're the one attacking everyone as biased.

You are wasting your time. This is nothing new on a plethora of subjects.

 

[Teeder Keon]

There was a time when goalies shared duties far more than today. Nothing wrong with such an approach.

At this point, the default goalie should be Campbell until he goes cold. He is 4-0 and has two of our three shutouts (Hutch has the other).

Love the possibilities of Jack
But please please no more Hutch the ball hockey Goalie

 

[Zybalto]

Top 10 goaltenders in the NHL by save% (out of the 28 who played at least 6500 minutes from 2016 - Feb. 1st 2019)

1. Gibson: .923
2. Rinne: .921
2. Bobrovsky: .921
4. Vasy: .920
5. Andersen: .919
5. Dubnyk: .919
7. Lehner: .918
8. Rask: .917
8. Bishop: .917
10. Fleury: .916

Out of these goaltenders, Andersen led in TOI, shots faced/60 and had one of the worst D's in front of him.

He was one of the elite goaltenders in the league over this stretch. I think Campbell has earned the right to replace him for now but I'm not gonna crap on all the good Freddie has done for this team. I hope Campbell runs with the job and stays healthy and I hope Andersen gets healthy and is a helluva backup to have in the playoffs if he's ready and rested.

He hasnt always been a "bad" goalie, thats for sure.

Oddly enough, when I look at all goaltenders who have played at least 1000 minutes over that stretch, guess who has the best save% in the NHL?

1. Campbell: .930

Maybe just a great keeper stuck behind a stud like Quick too long?

 

[egd27]

LOL this just keeps getting better and better. I've said many times that he's been bad this season and last (except for last year's playoffs). Every now and then I do stick up for him when people talk as if he's the only one to blame for every game we lose and every goal we allow which is obviously insane. Why does that upset you so much?

Not only have I said that Freddie's been bad, I've also said our #1 priority should be fixing our goalie problem and we shouldn't even think about spending on rentals etc. until we've done that so you're either not reading my posts, not understanding what you're reading or just making stuff up.

Gary, you must know by now that a trying to employ a non black or white approach is a fool's errand.

 

[egd27]

There was a time when goalies shared duties far more than today. Nothing wrong with such an approach.

At this point, the default goalie should be Campbell until he goes cold. He is 4-0 and has two of our three shutouts (Hutch has the other).

I agree, but is it still ok if I don't blame Andersen for every goal he has allowed in the past two weeks ?

 

[Confucius]

I agree, but is it still ok if I don't blame Andersen for every goal he has allowed in the past two weeks ?

There isn't much room for error when it comes to goalies. There is a difference of less than 1 goal a game amongst the top 25 teams in goals allowed. So it doesn't take many bad goals to be considered crap. Less than 1 a game.

 

[Zybalto]

Campbell vs. Andersen this year:

I know the sample size is way outta wack but still:

Campbell:
Games started: 4
Shots Against/60: 28.27
High Danger Shots Against/60: 8.51
Save%: .965 (1st out of 67 NHL goalkeepers with at least 4 starts this year by a whopping .32 )

Andersen:
Games Started: 23
Shots Against/60: 28.27
High Danger Shots Against/60: 7.76
Save%: .897 (Tied for 49th out of 67 NHL goalkeepers with at least 4 starts this year)

Kinda crazy how they both have the exact same shots against down to the decimal.

Gotta let Campbell run with the net right now. It's both a mix of Andersen failing and Campbell really taking off.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Andersen plays with the pressure of being a #1 and expected to win every game ... not the case with Jack as a back up .... let Jaxk take over the #1 for a while before you start comparing numbers

 

[Lightsol]

100% honest take. Years of subpar play before finally the majority is admitting now that he hasn't been good.


And then you post your nonsense claiming all of us say things we never said and hold Fred to standards we never held him to.

4 years actually isn't that bad when it comes to Leaf fans and goalies. It's about what it took for Reimer and Bernier to garner serious criticism for their play.

 

[ICBM]

4 years actually isn't that bad when it comes to Leaf fans and goalies. It's about what it took for Reimer and Bernier to garner serious criticism for their play.

Why Andersen received no 'serious criticism' after the fiasco in Boston series, is beyond me. Andy and his pal Rielly were the reason for the loss. While Kadri got all the heat. And now Andersen makes me miss 07-08 Toskala.

 

[81Leafs50]

i dont mind regular season freddy, but playoff freddy is garbage, untimely soft goals has led to this teams first round losses every year he has been here .... what is the untimely soft goal game on the line stat called?

its called the you are too dumb to remember freddy making close to 40 saves including this one to STEAL a game for the leafs cause you're nothing but a whine and moan piss and bitch fan with no real clue what the grind is like playing behind Alexei Marchenko, Roman Polak, Matt Hunwik, Ron Hainsey, Jake Gardiner, Martin Marincin and still putting up top 3 wins in the last 6 years with a .922 against the Bruins who were clearly better than a rebuilding young leafs team that had no business making the playoffs but Frederik Andersen dragged your shit team in to the post season anyway.

 

[Mr Hockey]

its called the you are too dumb to remember freddy making close to 40 saves including this one to STEAL a game for the leafs cause you're nothing but a whine and moan piss and bitch fan with no real clue what the grind is like playing behind Alexei Marchenko, Roman Polak, Matt Hunwik, Ron Hainsey, Jake Gardiner, Martin Marincin and still putting up top 3 wins in the last 6 years with a .922 against the Bruins who were clearly better than a rebuilding young leafs team that had no business making the playoffs but Frederik Andersen dragged your shit team in to the post season anyway.

I can make 40 low danger stops in a game for free wearing construction boots in net ... He let in soft goals in every playoff series as a Leaf, He was outplayed by the other goalie in every series

 

[81Leafs50]

You stop lying to yourself right now. He blew game 7 in the boston series, blew game 1 and the 3-1 game in the Columbus series. The guy is a loser. Total strawman post.

.922 versus the Bruins in 7 games. .936 vs the Blue Jackets.

Freddy let in 1 goal in the first 2 games vs CBJ and the Leafs only won the game where he got a shutout.

Lets not forget the time Freddy STOLE A GAME vs the Bruins. near 40 save night including this 10 beller.

 

[81Leafs50]

I can make 40 low danger stops in a game for free wearing construction boots in net ... He let in soft goals in every playoff series as a Leaf, He was outplayed by the other goalie in every series

right. you are an athletic freak. the only reason why you are not playing professional sports and bitching on here like little school girl with no power to make any meaning change to the Leafs roster is cuase you have better things to do. LMAO

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Top 10 goaltenders in the NHL by save% (out of the 28 who played at least 6500 minutes from 2016 - Feb. 1st 2019)

1. Gibson: .923
2. Rinne: .921
2. Bobrovsky: .921
4. Vasy: .920
5. Andersen: .919
5. Dubnyk: .919
7. Lehner: .918
8. Rask: .917
8. Bishop: .917
10. Fleury: .916

Out of these goaltenders, Andersen led in TOI, shots faced/60 and had one of the worst D's in front of him.

He was one of the elite goaltenders in the league over this stretch. I think Campbell has earned the right to replace him for now but I'm not gonna crap on all the good Freddie has done for this team. I hope Campbell runs with the job and stays healthy and I hope Andersen gets healthy and is a helluva backup to have in the playoffs if he's ready and rested.

He hasnt always been a "bad" goalie, thats for sure.

Oddly enough, when I look at all goaltenders who have played at least 1000 minutes over that stretch, guess who has the best save% in the NHL?

1. Campbell: .930

Maybe just a great keeper stuck behind a stud like Quick too long?

Andersen was a top 10 goalie for sure during that stretch. Problem is that he's fallen so far off that cliff that I have no faith he can recover from it.

Since Keefe took over we've been one of the best teams at limiting shots and high danger chances yet Andersen's SV% has absolutely tanked during that time. He's been horrendous on the PK and has let in the first shot of the game 8 times in the last year and a half.

It's scary how bad he's been.

 

[Mr Hockey]

right. you are an athletic freak. the only reason why you are not playing professional sports and bitching on here like little school girl with no power to make any meaning change to the Leafs roster is cuase you have better things to do. LMAO

bro, i am not bitching about anything, I responded to your post and no need to insult

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

right. you are an athletic freak. the only reason why you are not playing professional sports and bitching on here like little school girl with no power to make any meaning change to the Leafs roster is cuase you have better things to do. LMAO

I think it says it all that in trying to defend Andersen saying how he steals games in the playoffs you could only find one instance of him making a big save in one. Whereas on the other end of the spectrum you could have a whole lowlight reel of terrible goals he’s allowed in elimination games, including a bunch of short side ones at or near the goal line.

 

[MattySnipes]

Went down a rabbit hole on youtube, and came across this moment. It still gets me emotional seeing Clark defend Dougie, Dougie goin off at Kings bench, Burns pointing his finger and saying if that's how you wanna play...oh boy! What a game 1.

Love playoff hockey but man the 90s were something else.

 

[meefer]

Top 10 goaltenders in the NHL by save% (out of the 28 who played at least 6500 minutes from 2016 - Feb. 1st 2019)

1. Gibson: .923
2. Rinne: .921
2. Bobrovsky: .921
4. Vasy: .920
5. Andersen: .919
5. Dubnyk: .919
7. Lehner: .918
8. Rask: .917
8. Bishop: .917
10. Fleury: .916

Out of these goaltenders, Andersen led in TOI, shots faced/60 and had one of the worst D's in front of him.

He was one of the elite goaltenders in the league over this stretch. I think Campbell has earned the right to replace him for now but I'm not gonna crap on all the good Freddie has done for this team. I hope Campbell runs with the job and stays healthy and I hope Andersen gets healthy and is a helluva backup to have in the playoffs if he's ready and rested.

He hasnt always been a "bad" goalie, thats for sure.

Oddly enough, when I look at all goaltenders who have played at least 1000 minutes over that stretch, guess who has the best save% in the NHL?

1. Campbell: .930

Maybe just a great keeper stuck behind a stud like Quick too long?

Thank you for posting this.

I am not defending Freddy for his recent play. It has not been good enough. But a player for our team who has historically been above average, has played to the best of his abilities, who has played more than any other goalie in the league over the past 5 years, faced more shots, while supporting a defensively suspect team, does not deserve the shit that people are hurling his way. He's a Maple Leaf. I support my team and its players. Criticism is fine, abuse is not.

I wonder how many here have a public position of responsibility, a job that presents the daily critique that is an ever present concern for an NHL player. How many of these people would put up with the constant barrage of analysis, or the outright vitriol directed towards them for the job they are doing? I suspect few. And yet, here they are, constantly insulting and berating a member of the team they profess to love. Madness, and to speak forthrightly, insulting.

If you think I'm speaking about you, I probably am. To those who are simply observing fact, and commenting on how this is hurting the team, my comments are not directed towards you. To those of you who go out of your way to demean a player, to outright call him "dogshit", which I've seen twice in the last day or two, grow up. You're an embarrassment to this fan base.

 

[Notsince67]

I'm ok with replacing a bad goaltender with a better one despite people's reservations. Andersen's body of work was never stellar and definitely sub par the last year and a half. He is a crap goalie who takes valuable cap space. The team has surpassed him. Time to move on.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Thank you for posting this.

I am not defending Freddy for his recent play. It has not been good enough. But a player for our team who has historically been above average, has played to the best of his abilities, who has played more than any other goalie in the league over the past 5 years, faced more shots, while supporting a defensively suspect team, does not deserve the shit that people are hurling his way. He's a Maple Leaf. I support my team and its players. Criticism is fine, abuse is not.

I wonder how many here have a public position of responsibility, a job that presents the daily critique that is an ever present concern for an NHL player. How many of these people would put up with the constant barrage of analysis, or the outright vitriol directed towards them for the job they are doing? I suspect few. And yet, here they are, constantly insulting and berating a member of the team they profess to love. Madness, and to speak forthrightly, insulting.

If you think I'm speaking about you, I probably am. To those who are simply observing fact, and commenting on how this is hurting the team, my comments are not directed towards you. To those of you who go out of your way to demean a player, to outright call him "dogshit", which I've seen twice in the last day or two, grow up. You're an embarrassment to this fan base.

I called him horrible right now. Where do I fit in the embarrassment spectrum?

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Thank you for posting this.

I am not defending Freddy for his recent play. It has not been good enough. But a player for our team who has historically been above average, has played to the best of his abilities, who has played more than any other goalie in the league over the past 5 years, faced more shots, while supporting a defensively suspect team, does not deserve the shit that people are hurling his way. He's a Maple Leaf. I support my team and its players. Criticism is fine, abuse is not.

I wonder how many here have a public position of responsibility, a job that presents the daily critique that is an ever present concern for an NHL player. How many of these people would put up with the constant barrage of analysis, or the outright vitriol directed towards them for the job they are doing? I suspect few. And yet, here they are, constantly insulting and berating a member of the team they profess to love. Madness, and to speak forthrightly, insulting.

If you think I'm speaking about you, I probably am. To those who are simply observing fact, and commenting on how this is hurting the team, my comments are not directed towards you. To those of you who go out of your way to demean a player, to outright call him "dogshit", which I've seen twice in the last day or two, grow up. You're an embarrassment to this fan base.

I feel you but very few of us are making millions to deliver these performances...salary is tied to expectation, if he was a league minimum goalie he’d have a lot more leash from the fan base but he isn’t...let’s not pretend they aren’t paid handsomely for the abuse they take from the fan base (honestly who cares what a bunch of non NHL’ers think about your play) I work direct with the public and take a good share of vitriol from them for 1/1000 of what he makes so you’ll have to excuse me for not really caring if it hurts his feelings...want the salary perform to expectations or find a new job (and this is coming from a guy who isn’t against Freddie in the slightest)

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

Speaking of, is Robidas still stranded on the island like Gilligan?

Sort of. He runs the resort now. Players are sent there to work with him. (He works as a developmental coach for the Leafs. Last I heard anyways).