Tribute Jack Campbell Discussion

[ShaneFalco]

"I'm hearing from sources around the league that if the Leafs want to get Jack Campbell signed to an extension, the number will need to start with a 12."

- Darren Dreger, probably.

'Or he'll go overseas
. He seems himself as a Price comparable "

 

[Dekes For Days]

"I'm hearing from sources around the league that if the Leafs want to get Jack Campbell signed to an extension, the number will need to start with a 12."

- Darren Dreger, probably.

Not sure we can afford that with Sandin, Liljegren, and Kase all getting 8m dollar offer sheets this offseason.

 

[LeafChief]

Not sure we can afford that with Sandin, Liljegren, and Kase all getting 8m dollar offer sheets this offseason.

"I'm hearing many teams are preparing offer sheets for both Sandin and Liljegren. Dubas has made a glaring mistake note getting these two players signed to extensions in the summer. Although they managed to score 3 goals between the two of them this season, many teams project them to score 30 each next season and offer sheets are being prepared".

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Yep having the best goaltending value in the league is actually bad.

Dumbas strikes again!

I'm not talking about the acquisition.

I'm talking about what he did after.

He's turned a blessing into costly inaction.

> best value

Your post won't age well. I'll revisit this post after Campbell's next contract

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

He’s look real good, but he’s let in some bad goals lately. I still think we should extend him.

 

[WTFMAN99]

No GM is perfect...which makes the circular arguments or denials from his fan club annoying.

Campbell was a great acquisition...and you can't force someone to sign a contract but I really wish they found a way to get an extension done in the off-season and not put out as much $$ as they did on someone like Mrazek. I thought 3 years 4-4.75M would have gotten the deal done...similar to a Bernier deal but we're now likely around 5x5.

Dubas did a great job in signing Bunting, Kampf and Kase in the off-season. Most GM's don't go 5/5 and unfortunately his 2 biggest contracts in Mrazek & Ritchie have not panned out...things might change but those look like they will need to be moved sometime between tomorrow and the off-season.

 

[Gary Nylund]

No GM is perfect...which makes the circular arguments or denials from his fan club annoying.

Campbell was a great acquisition...and you can't force someone to sign a contract but I really wish they found a way to get an extension done in the off-season and not put out as much $$ as they did on someone like Mrazek. I thought 3 years 4-4.75M would have gotten the deal done...similar to a Bernier deal but we're now likely around 5x5.

Dubas did a great job in signing Bunting, Kampf and Kase in the off-season. Most GM's don't go 5/5 and unfortunately his 2 biggest contracts in Mrazek & Ritchie have not panned out...things might change but those look like they will need to be moved sometime between tomorrow and the off-season.

If we could sign him for 5x5, I wouldn't even be all that unhappy but I'm not optimistic that that's enough to get it done any more and if he gets to UFA status, it could get really ugly and we might lose him.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If we could sign him for 5x5, I wouldn't even be all that unhappy but I'm not optimistic that that's enough to get it done any more and if he gets to UFA status, it could get really ugly and we might lose him.

Yea and a tight cap situation gets tighter.

He did a good job on the Morgan Rielly extension too...7.5M x 8 after seeing what other defenseman were getting looks very good.

Unfortunately the cap hasn't gone up the way it was projected because of covid and Rielly extension coupled with the desire to extend Campbell has made roster building very difficult. We're going to need to trim a lot of fat and likely make trades.

I hope he can do well so we're a good team. Ultimately I don't want Dubas to fail because that isn't good for the team however I can point out when I think he hasn't done well and when he has done well.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Dubas did exceptional in the trade with the Kings. If not for Andersen's drop off, he probably would have remained a backup but his true upside is being realized.

Hopefully he remains a stud and Leafs extend him. If they don't, they received full value for his contract.

In my opinion, 80% of this roster should be evaluated on performance when it matters most, the postseason.

If he leads the team to a deep run, he will be worth his significant raise. If not, all the best to him (and others) as the Cap restriction will be determining the future.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yea and a tight cap situation gets tighter.

He did a good job on the Morgan Rielly extension too...7.5M x 8 after seeing what other defenseman were getting looks very good.

Unfortunately the cap hasn't gone up the way it was projected because of covid and Rielly extension coupled with the desire to extend Campbell has made roster building very difficult. We're going to need to trim a lot of fat and likely make trades.

I hope he can do well so we're a good team. Ultimately I don't want Dubas to fail because that isn't good for the team however I can point out when I think he hasn't done well and when he has done well.

Yup, covid and the cap came at the worst possible time for Dubas. He's mostly done well but if I was him, I would have seen what I could get for Marner in the off-season. But yeah the Rielly extension was good, the narrative that Dubas overpays everyone is a joke to me as IMHO, the Marner contract was the only mistake. It sure was a doozy though so I guess understand the narrative.

In my opinion, 80% of this roster should be evaluated on performance when it matters most, the postseason.

If he leads the team to a deep run, he will be worth his significant raise. If not, all the best to him (and others) as the Cap restriction will be determining the future.

I think 100% of the roster should be evaluated (mostly) based on playoff performance. I don't think it's fair to judge anyone on how the team does though, if Campbell plays like a star in the playoffs and we lose because everyone else sucks, that's not on him and I would still want to resign him.

 

[Enga Olly]

"I'm hearing many teams are preparing offer sheets for both Sandin and Liljegren. Dubas has made a glaring mistake note getting these two players signed to extensions in the summer. Although they managed to score 3 goals between the two of them this season, many teams project them to score 30 each next season and offer sheets are being prepared".

I simply cannot get enough of sarcastic/mocking posts of Dreger. The most loathsome of all Toronto Hockey/TV guys - and that's against some stiff competition. Not quite as loathsome as as couple of print guys (Cox/Simmons), but in the neighbourhood.

 

[The Podium]

Campbells value is at an all time high and as his numbers fall back to earth a bit, all of these hfboard “cap experts” will see why decisions shouldn’t be reactionary when the sample size of success is so short.

Campbell can go on to win the Vezina and whatever deal he signs will still be risky. Anyone who thinks Dubas was stupid not to give him a long term contract after 80 career games over 6 years when he was already 29 years old is judging with some serious hindsight goggles.

 

[Legion34]

Campbells value is at an all time high and as his numbers fall back to earth a bit, all of these hfboard “cap experts” will see why decisions shouldn’t be reactionary when the sample size of success is so short.

Campbell can go on to win the Vezina and whatever deal he signs will still be risky. Anyone who thinks Dubas was stupid not to give him a long term contract after 80 career games over 6 years when he was already 29 years old is judging with some serious hindsight goggles.

Chris Driedger Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

He had a better record than Campbell

 

[The Podium]

Chris Driedger Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

He had a better record than Campbell

I don’t know if you are supporting me or arguing against, but either way my answer is yes.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Campbells value is at an all time high and as his numbers fall back to earth a bit, all of these hfboard “cap experts” will see why decisions shouldn’t be reactionary when the sample size of success is so short.

His numbers falling back a bit is almost inevitable, but it doesn't mean they won't go back up again. The truth is that it will take years before we can be 100% sure of anything. Campbell might play like crap going forward starting right now making Dubas look smart, or he might excel over the next 5 years making it clear that not extending him last summer was a big mistake. We'll see.

Campbell can go on to win the Vezina and whatever deal he signs will still be risky. Anyone who thinks Dubas was stupid not to give him a long term contract after 80 career games over 6 years when he was already 29 years old is judging with some serious hindsight goggles.

There is risk attached to any deal. This is true for Campbell and it's true for every contract ever signed.

I said resigning him should be our #1 priority in the summer so hindsight has nothing to do with it.

 

[Nylanderthal]

The issue was the recently promoted apprentice taking his mentors words too much to heart. Sweet Lou taught him the “if you have time, use it” philosophy.

 

[NinjaKick]

This guy makes big saves. I'd rather give him a fat contract and trade some of the skaters than go another 15 years looking for a goalie of the same level. Trying to squeak by on shoestring goaltending makes enough sense when that's what you've gotta do, but now we've got a bonafide Vezina candidate between the pipes and IMO that makes him the second most important piece on the team (behind Matthews). I hope we can sign him on a cost effective deal, because cap space is important, but there's maybe four players on the roster that I wouldn't move if we needed to make cap space. If he signs for 7m, that's just 2m more than Andersen cost. We're going to dump Mrazek anyways, so sign Soup and then figure out the rest from there.

all I know is, we can't lose Soup to free agency. gotta get a deal done.

 

[Legion34]

I don’t know if you are supporting me or arguing against, but either way my answer is yes.

no I’m agreeing. It’s not as clear as people think. Dreiger was better. He is flailing now.

Personally I wanted to sign Campbell long term. But I can see the issue.

My bet is he slows down this year and ends up about 2.30-2.6 and .918-.925.

sign for 4.5-5 a year

 

[ToneDog]

The issue was the recently promoted apprentice taking his mentors words too much to heart. Sweet Lou taught him the “if you have time, use it” philosophy.

Rumour has it the Leafs threw a number at Soup and they turned it down. Now because the number is up to 6+ all Dubas can do is wait and see how it plays out.

 

[Drytoast]

A f***ing 12?!

 

[WTFMAN99]

Rumour has it the Leafs threw a number at Soup and they turned it down. Now because the number is up to 6+ all Dubas can do is wait and see how it plays out.

Grubauer was a vezina candidate and got 5.9M from a...let's be honest here, bad up and coming team.

 

[Martin Skoula]

There's a world where we signed Campbell long-term in the summer and he pulled his groin in game 1. He was still fairly unproven and injury prone this summer, there was no guarantee that he was going to turn into a Vezina caliber starter that plays 50-60 games. I'd rather pay the extra million a year for a guy that showed he can handle the workload.

 

[ToneDog]

Grubauer was a vezina candidate and got 5.9M from a...let's be honest here, bad up and coming team.

Yup and hence why Soup thinks he is worth $6+m. I'd offer him to Sakic or Holland for a boatload and let them roll the dice. After all we have Mrazek who I am told is a #1.

 

[ToneDog]

There's a world where we signed Campbell long-term in the summer and he pulled his groin in game 1. He was still fairly unproven and injury prone this summer, there was no guarantee that he was going to turn into a Vezina caliber starter that plays 50-60 games. I'd rather pay the extra million a year for a guy that showed he can handle the workload.

It was the safest thing to do but it is going to cost you much more than $1m/year more. He probably gets Mrazek money this summer. He is at $6+ now.

 

[Martin Skoula]

It was the safest thing to do but it is going to cost you much more than $1m/year more. He probably gets Mrazek money this summer. He is at $6+ now.

I don't see how he gets less than Cal Petersen. 41 career games at a ~.918 gets 5x3 and Campbell had a better resume.