Tribute Jack Campbell Discussion

[James Blackley]

Lupul was a great story when he came back from his first injury after the trade. Sad to see the leafs do him dirty. Only thing I didn’t like about Lou was he was not a compassionate person at time. Jared Cowen and Lupul situations still don’t sit right with me

Lets be real here, it's not like Lupul was itching to come back..... he was heavy into the modelling, partying and sex scene at the time. If Lupul wanted an NHL comeback, it was doable, he was still young enough and skilled enough, that teams would have at the very least given him a PTO offer.

 

[zeke]

Imagine you're so out of ammo that you try to bash Dubas for the best goalie acquisition in the entire league in recent memory.

 

[kb]

Imagine you're so out of ammo that you try to bash Dubas for the best goalie acquisition in the entire league in recent memory.

The other goalie signed had a 2.06 GAA and .923 sv % last season.

Mrazek will look great behind this D too - once he gets some playing time under his belt.

 

[Buds17]

Imagine you're so out of ammo that you try to bash Dubas for the best goalie acquisition in the entire league in recent memory.

It was a tremendous acquisition. The pending UFA status of the team's current starting goalie is fair for a talking point though IMO and fair to say that winning has helped to make it less of a big deal. A new contract was finalized in season for the team's #1 D and that's to the credit of both parties involved. Here's to hoping that the Campbell situation can follow a similar path.

 

[francis246]

Lets be real here, it's not like Lupul was itching to come back..... he was heavy into the modelling, partying and sex scene at the time. If Lupul wanted an NHL comeback, it was doable, he was still young enough and skilled enough, that teams would have at the very least given him a PTO offer.

well he was locked into a contract with the leafs, he wanted to play, they told him no. They were willing to pay him guaranteed money to sit. I’m not sure anyone in their right mind would mutually terminate a 5.75 contract just to sign a PTO

 

[James Blackley]

It was a tremendous acquisition. The pending UFA status of the team's current starting goalie is fair for a talking point though IMO. A new contract was finalized in season for the team's #1 D, and that's to the credit of both parties involved. Here's to hoping that the Campbell situation can follow a similar path.

He's the starting goalie by default, not taking away from his success, he's been great! However, the plan was never for Campbell to be the #1 this season, you don't go out and sign a goalie to a nearly $4M a year contract to play the role of back up, no GM has ever done that, nor will they ever. Dubas goal was to have a platoon style goaltending mix this year, that went off the rails however due to Mrazeks injury(ies), I have no doubt when he's healthy, that plan will resume going forward.

 

[zeke]

It was a tremendous acquisition. The pending UFA status of the team's current starting goalie is fair for a talking point though IMO and fair to say that winning has helped to make it less of a big deal. A new contract was finalized in season for the team's #1 D and that's to the credit of both parties involved. Here's to hoping that the Campbell situation can follow a similar path.

Au contraire - the fact that we're winning is exactly why everyone wants to change the subject to contracts and "cap hell", instead of enjoying the winning.

Soon we'll be talking about offer sheets on Sandin and Lilly and Kase.

 

[zeke]

He's the starting goalie by default, not taking away from his success, he's been great! However, the plan was never for Campbell to be the #1 this season, you don't go out and sign a goalie to a nearly $4M a year contract to play the role of back up, no GM has ever done that, nor will they ever. Dubas goal was to have a platoon style goaltending mix this year, that went off the rails however due to Mrazeks injury(ies), I have no doubt when he's healthy, that plan will resume going forward.

$3.8m x 3yrs is not a starting goalie level contract.

 

[James Blackley]

$3.8m x 3yrs is not a starting goalie level contract.

Its also not what you pay a backup either. I think you missed my point here no?

 

[James Blackley]

Its also not what you pay a backup either. I think you missed my point here no?

He's the starting goalie by default, not taking away from his success, he's been great! However, the plan was never for Campbell to be the #1 this season, you don't go out and sign a goalie to a nearly $4M a year contract to play the role of back up, no GM has ever done that, nor will they ever. Dubas goal was to have a platoon style goaltending mix this year, that went off the rails however due to Mrazeks injury(ies), I have no doubt when he's healthy, that plan will resume going forward.

 

[Buds17]

He's the starting goalie by default, not taking away from his success, he's been great! However, the plan was never for Campbell to be the #1 this season, you don't go out and sign a goalie to a nearly $4M a year contract to play the role of back up, no GM has ever done that, nor will they ever. Dubas goal was to have a platoon style goaltending mix this year, that went off the rails however due to Mrazeks injury(ies), I have no doubt when he's healthy, that plan will resume going forward.

No doubt that a platoon situation was the intended plan. That could be what's potentially puzzling though regarding the respective contract situations (they're essentially equals, and yet one is signed to term while the other is in position to walk). Team success rightly accounts for a lot though and I currently view this more as a topic for discussion rather than as a constant worry.

 

[zeke]

Its also not what you pay a backup either. I think you missed my point here no?

Who started game 1?

And who said this well ahead of the season opener?

"I am excited for him for this season. It wasn’t even a question of who was going to start this game all offseason and all through camp. He has never given us a reason to think any different."

 

[kb]

It was a tremendous acquisition. The pending UFA status of the team's current starting goalie is fair for a talking point though IMO. A new contract was finalized in season for the team's #1 D, and that's to the credit of both parties involved. Here's to hoping that the Campbell situation can follow a similar path.

Campbell is an upcoming free agent. I'm sure both sides are talking, and probably have been since July 1st.

However, the talking point always gets hijacked back to one topic in every thread.....which is asinine for a team that is currently tied for second overall, third in GAA, and have allowed 10 goals in their last 8 games (18 in their last 12) while scoring 41 in their last 13 games. Their record is 12-2 in their last 14.

A lot of people are missing something that could end up being magical.....

 

[Buds17]

Au contraire - the fact that we're winning is exactly why everyone wants to change the subject to contracts and "cap hell", instead of enjoying the winning.

Soon we'll be talking about offer sheets on Sandin and Lilly and Kase.

I choose to look at it more from the view of not needing to dissect wins as much (or even at all). I do understand your point though. Unfortunately, "everything is awesome" will always be the stuff of articles while "the sky is falling" is what full length novels and screenplays are made of. There's just that much more mileage to be derived from the latter.

 

[James Blackley]

Who started game 1?

And who said this well ahead of the season opener?

"I am excited for him for this season. It wasn’t even a question of who was going to start this game all offseason and all through camp. He has never given us a reason to think any different."

Starting Game 1 is not an indicator of who the starting goalie is going to be lol, you're reading way too much into it. The goal all along was clear to go 1a/1b for this year, teams are also getting away from the "starting goalie" routine, its very rare to see a guy get 55-65 games a year these days. Why so defensive? We have two quality goalies in net, both very capable of putting up solid #'s, I have no doubt as I have said before, Mrzaek will see his fair share of games when he's back healthy.

 

[James Blackley]

No doubt that a platoon situation was the intended plan. That could be what's potentially puzzling though regarding the respective contract situations (they're essentially equals, and yet one is signed to term while the other is in position to walk). Team success rightly accounts for a lot though and I currently view this more as a topic for discussion rather than as a constant worry.

Exactly! As for Soup, if they give him 4 years/3.5-4per,its a none issue. I think he gets inked up,he seems to love it here, and Dubas/Keefe seem to like him as well.

 

[zeke]

Starting Game 1 is not an indicator of who the starting goalie is going to be lol, you're reading way too much into it. The goal all along was clear to go 1a/1b for this year, teams are also getting away from the "starting goalie" routine, its very rare to see a guy get 55-65 games a year these days. Why so defensive? We have two quality goalies in net, both very capable of putting up solid #'s, I have no doubt as I have said before, Mrzaek will see his fair share of games when he's back healthy.

This is much different than saying Campbell is #1 by default.

Dubas went out and signed not-just-a-backup as insurance for a goalie without a proven track record. Smart move. 2 good goalies instead of one.

But that doesn't stop one goalie from running away with the job based on performance, and it doesn't mean they didn't want Jack to run away with fhe #1 job....or that they didn't also view Mrazek as a very tradeable asset if he did.

 

[James Blackley]

This is much different than saying Campbell is #1 by default.

Dubas went out and signed not-just-a-backup as insurance for a goalie without a proven track record. Smart move. 2 good goalies instead of one.

But that doesn't stop one goalie from running away with the job based on performance, and it doesn't mean they didn't want Jack to run away with fhe #1 job.

We agree then that a) it was a smart decision to sign Mrzaek and b) always good to have 2 solid netminders. Mrzaek hasn't been given the chance to pass or fail in net, injuries have taken that option away, his test is when he's back in net come December.

 

[justloveleafs]

I have met ZEKE once, so I can say, that he is not Dubas... But he is just as interesting and talented..

Zeke, you have to be really liking what is being developed here.

With all due respect, I think I was a nano second ahead of you, in congratulating Burke for doing something you and I thought was a no brainer, few decades ago...

The Leafs securing, Toronto, as the AHL, base, was so no brainer..

I championed it, for years.... Sure having the AHL guys in Newfoundland, made a lot of sense, in terms of overall LEAF branding....

But if you want to win, having your kids in the same city, as the NHL team was the turning point...

Liljegren and Sandin apparently, are really close friends...

Well thanks to the Marlies, nothing changes for the two of them....

If one of them is on a bus for St. Johns, its not the same....

Dubas, has done what MLSE, dreamed of for years.....

He has locked up branded, loved superstars....

He has delivered....... I have what I WANT as a Leafs fan.... A tremendous team....

Kase, Kampf, Bunting, Ritchie, and guess what he might bring out Ho SANG to really get the crowd going...

The guy knows, hockey......and, jeez, he procured the most positive goaltender since johhny bower.

I care about a cup sure, but its a mug, I want a team that makes my night....

I have that team..... GUYS and GIRLS.......

He has put together a crew, a dressing room that goes out and wins two games for Joseph Woll.

My secret suggestion, get behind Nick Ritchie.........

If he gets 'it',and I actually think it might happen.......Might be Lucic part two...

Support the guy, he is the only forward who can change a game physically that we have...

Makes cents, not sense, to support him

 

[kb]

This is much different than saying Campbell is #1 by default.

Dubas went out and signed not-just-a-backup as insurance for a goalie without a proven track record. Smart move. 2 good goalies instead of one.

But that doesn't stop one goalie from running away with the job based on performance, and it doesn't mean they didn't want Jack to run away with fhe #1 job....or that they didn't also view Mrazek as a very tradeable asset if he did.

100% correct, and I'm rightly confused that signing good players is such a bad thing....

Here's my Q: If Campbell is and was such a sure thing, why had he only played 86 NHL games entering his age 30 season?

The obvious A: Because he was no sure thing.

 

[Confucius]

Starting Game 1 is not an indicator of who the starting goalie is going to be lol, you're reading way too much into it. The goal all along was clear to go 1a/1b for this year, teams are also getting away from the "starting goalie" routine, its very rare to see a guy get 55-65 games a year these days. Why so defensive? We have two quality goalies in net, both very capable of putting up solid #'s, I have no doubt as I have said before, Mrzaek will see his fair share of games when he's back healthy.

The problem as I see it, Soup will be making too much next season to be a tandem. Mrazek will most likely have to go. I can't see Woll splitting games with Soup. We may as well find out this year if Soup can handle 60+ games.

 

[Gary Nylund]

100% correct, and I'm rightly confused that signing good players is such a bad thing....

Here's my Q: If Campbell is and was such a sure thing, why had he only played 86 NHL games entering his age 30 season?

The obvious A: Because he was no sure thing.

There aren't many sure things in this world. Signing him would have been a gamble, just like not signing him was a gamble. With each game Jack plays, it's becoming more and more clear that Dubas chose the wrong gamble this time. It's OK to admit it, nobody makes the right move every time, overall Dubas has done a good job and he gets the credit for acquiring Campbell in the first place. But not getting an extension done in the summer looks like a pretty costly mistake at this point, not sure how anyone can think it wasn't.

 

[Martin Skoula]

There aren't many sure things in this world. Signing him would have been a gamble, just like not signing him was a gamble. With each game Jack plays, it's becoming more and more clear that Dubas chose the wrong gamble this time. It's OK to admit it, nobody makes the right move every time, overall Dubas has done a good job and he gets the credit for acquiring Campbell in the first place. But not getting an extension done in the summer looks like a pretty costly mistake at this point, not sure how anyone can think it wasn't.

At the same time, signing Campbell to a 5x5 and having him get injured again or show that he can't handle the workload after a mentally taxing playoff series would have been declared the worst move of the offseason. It's a coinflip that looks kind of bad a quarter into the season.

 

[Gary Nylund]

At the same time, signing Campbell to a 5x5 and having him get injured again or show that he can't handle the workload after a mentally taxing playoff series would have been declared the worst move of the offseason. It's a coinflip that looks kind of bad a quarter into the season.

Like I said, it would have been a gamble either say and the same can be said about pretty much every signing ever. But I do believe that had we extended him in the summer, the price tag would have been well below 5x5.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Like I said, it would have been a gamble either say and the same can be said about pretty much every signing ever. But I do believe that had we extended him in the summer, the price tag would have been well below 5x5.

I don't see him getting less then Petersen, goalies without much track record got paid this summer.