Tribute Jack Campbell Discussion Part 2

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Basically everyone that posted in the first half of the game thread mentioning Jack needs a slap in the face.
The expectations for a Leaf goalie are beyond unrealistic. It’s bananas.
Most of the time these posters don't understand goaltending or even just simple physics. They just use the goaltender as a lazy scapegoat answer.

Even though it was Stamkos, the first goal is a stoppable puck. The 2nd goal, there is pretty much no way to see that one. 3rd goal was a blast from the circles. He could've maybe had the first one but he was outstanding for us last night
 
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Revisionist memory.
Last year game 7 OT shot from the point, series over. That was not Andersen.
Bad goals happen to every goalie but when talking about goalie mechanics, it's cut and dry. They have it or don't. They can develop and improve, just like any skill, so I sit here and hope.
Even with that look at kallgren, he tracks better than Campbell Imo but is not a better goalie by a stretch. Goalie position has so many intangebles.
My preference is Andersen, always has been and he put up a stellar year with the canes, very similar to his first few years here where he single handedly won us games time after time early in.
Actually, that OT goal was game 6, not 7. So no...series not over (technically) but yeah...we sagged in 7 as a result and lost. However, not because of goaltending on our end, but because our stars couldn't solve the other guy. However, point taken. But to your other point...I have no issue with FA's regular season play. Stellar (mostly). But he came up short in both those Boston series, in Columbus, and against the Caps back in 17 when we needed him the most. 4 game 7s...4 losses. Not all of them his fault, but he was the tender of record. I just don't think he's mentally tough enough to be the man when it comes right down it. And I think the players in front of him pressed too hard because they knew they couldn't rely on him to shut the door. Now, if Campbell fails against Tampa, then I'll own that he's also not THE guy. But right now, I'll still take him over Anderson...who, lucky (IMO) for Carolina, isn't in net for them against...uh oh...Boston. If I'm a Carolina fan, I'm thanking my lucky stars he got hurt before that series started.

Go Leafs Go.
 
A shout out to all the people who wanted to fire Dubas because he didn't trade a boatload of futures for MAF at the TDL, thereby "wasting a year" of this core.

Jack is the man! :)
To be fair, if they get past the first round Jack's durability may be an issue. We're an injury away from having Hutch in the fold
 
To be fair, if they get past the first round Jack's durability may be an issue. We're an injury away from having Hutch in the fold
Mrazek’s timeline for return is in a week or so, I’d expect him to be the dressed back up once ready to go
 
What is "to 10 money", 10 million a year?

That's obviously nuts but I did want him extended. I said last summer that extending Jack would be my #1 priority in the summer, I was plenty pissed that Dubas didn't get it done, there was much discussion about this and most people seemed to think that the reason it didn't get done was that Jack was being greedy and I still don't see any basis for that whatsoever (though possible of course). Then Jack had that crazy slump and I thought hmm, maybe it's good we didn't extend him and now he's looking great again. I wish I knew the reason for the slump - was he playing hurt?

In any case, as of today I still wish he was extended as I'm not sure there are any better goalies available in free agency. But as far as term and dollars go, I'm not really sure how far I'd be willing to go there but whatever, time to worry about all that later as the focus now is obviously on putting the boots to TB tomorrow night. :)


Yet another reminder that I'm doing the right thing by almost never looking at the GDT's. But then again, sometimes it seems like even the "normal" threads are full of unrealistic expectations for goalies and I agree it's bananas. I could go on at length on this subject but I'm in too good a mood today so I'll just leave it at that. :)
Sorry that was supposed to be top 10 money as a in elite category money.
I was working so I was stealth posting hahahaha
I'm good with re-signing him but short term and not much of a pay raise unless we go deep and he shows consistency and even then I'm hesitant to give too much term or money. I need more time to see if this inconsistency is a blip or what he is. If we are going to play him 50ish games a year, I would like it if he was more consistent.
Aggred about giving the boots to Tampa Thursday. Crush them into the ground hahahaha

Also agreed on the gdt's. I pop in from time to time but generally avoid it like the plague
 
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Actually, that OT goal was game 6, not 7. So no...series not over (technically) but yeah...we sagged in 7 as a result and lost. However, not because of goaltending on our end, but because our stars couldn't solve the other guy. However, point taken. But to your other point...I have no issue with FA's regular season play. Stellar (mostly). But he came up short in both those Boston series, in Columbus, and against the Caps back in 17 when we needed him the most. 4 game 7s...4 losses. Not all of them his fault, but he was the tender of record. I just don't think he's mentally tough enough to be the man when it comes right down it. And I think the players in front of him pressed too hard because they knew they couldn't rely on him to shut the door. Now, if Campbell fails against Tampa, then I'll own that he's also not THE guy. But right now, I'll still take him over Anderson...who, lucky (IMO) for Carolina, isn't in net for them against...uh oh...Boston. If I'm a Carolina fan, I'm thanking my lucky stars he got hurt before that series started.

Go Leafs Go.
I think the same defense you give Campbell is good for Andersen. The team was even younger then too. Not nearly as polished.
To be fair my opinion is alway that a goalie cannot win a game, it's a team thing. However the goal is a critical position and affects the way a team plays. If the goalie starts bad the team tends to tighten up and that's seldom good.
That said, the goalie can play lights out and the team still loses. 1-0 is usually the sign the goalie had a good game hell 2-1 even, but there was not support from the team.
So many factors in assessing goalies. The old adage it's not how many saves but when they are made seems very apt of assessing a goalies performance and that's why I think Jack had a good last game
 
I think the same defense you give Campbell is good for Andersen. The team was even younger then too. Not nearly as polished.
To be fair my opinion is alway that a goalie cannot win a game, it's a team thing. However the goal is a critical position and affects the way a team plays. If the goalie starts bad the team tends to tighten up and that's seldom good.
That said, the goalie can play lights out and the team still loses. 1-0 is usually the sign the goalie had a good game hell 2-1 even, but there was not support from the team.
So many factors in assessing goalies. The old adage it's not how many saves but when they are made seems very apt of assessing a goalies performance and that's why I think Jack had a good last game
True. Lets just hope his pattern of "good game, bad game" comes to an end tomorrow. Or at least continues to a "good" game 7.
 
We all wish he didn't.
LOL no. We're not even in the same universe and I suspect many (and possibly the majority of people) would agree with me when I say that you're way off so no, you don't speak for all of us.

Mrazek is a veteran goalie with a pretty good track record. He runs hot and cold so you never know what you're going to get with him but if he's on, he could easily play at a very high level for long enough to win a series or two. If it comes down to needing a goalie and Mrazek is healthy and available then I would be absolutely thrilled and I start him ahead of Kallgren or Hutch without thinking about it much at all.
 
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To be fair, if they get past the first round Jack's durability may be an issue. We're an injury away from having Hutch in the fold
Yeah it's hard to tell what's up with Jack as far as his health goes. Was he playing hurt when he was slumping? What were the issues last season when they were load managing the crap out of him? He is playing now though, he looks healthy and he's playing well so I'm not too worried TBH.
 
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Soupy showed alot of sand last night, gave up 2 early ones but girded up and was a wall! He has outplayed Vasi so far and deserves his respect! Go Leafs! … From a Habs fan.
 
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Ridiculous that he wasn't one of the 3 stars in-house last night.
Saved their bacons. He was brilliant.
Why does he deserve a star over the forwards? Nylander was so dominant his xGA was 0.05 because the puck lived on his stick. That's the best defence you can ask for. Matthews and Marner line dominated all game. Tavares had a killer 3rd period. Campbell falls short behind those 4 for the stars of game last night. They saved our bacon. Dazed and confused in the first period putting us in a quick hole.

Toss up between Campbell and Rielly for 5th star I think.

Kucherov and Point combine for only 2 goals in 5 games. Point only has 2 points. If Matthews and Marner did that you can bet the opponent goalie has insane number like 1-2 g.aa and 94% save pct. Campbells number are very bad this series considering how easy the skaters in front of him made the games for him. These shots are all clean too, no tips or screens like regular season where we made it harder for him. He needs to be better before we start giving him more credit than the core skaters.
 
Why does he deserve a star over the forwards? Nylander was so dominant his xGA was 0.05 because the puck lived on his stick. That's the best defence you can ask for. Matthews and Marner line dominated all game. Tavares had a killer 3rd period. Campbell falls short behind those 4 for the stars of game last night. They saved our bacon. Dazed and confused in the first period putting us in a quick hole.

Toss up between Campbell and Rielly for 5th star I think.

Kucherov and Point combine for only 2 goals in 5 games. Point only has 2 points. If Matthews and Marner did that you can bet the opponent goalie has insane number like 1-2 g.aa and 94% save pct. Campbells number are very bad this series considering how easy the skaters in front of him made the games for him. These shots are all clean too, no tips or screens like regular season where we made it harder for him. He needs to be better before we start giving him more credit than the core skaters.
I thought Jack played great. The 1st goal wasn't great, but not like a super easy softie either and he made a ton of tough saves after that to keep it close that definitely more than made up for that 1st goal. FWIW, moneypuck also says Jack played really well, he allowed less goals than expected and Vasi allowed more. The combined difference was about one goal, that was the difference in the game so it's fair to say that if we flipped the goalies, we would have lost.

Considering how many people have blamed our playoff losses on being "outgoalied", the fact that Jack outplayed Vasi is pretty cool.

Anyhow, not a big deal and not looking for a big debate here. It's JMHO, I would have chosen Jack as a star for sure but I drank a fair bit of beer and bourbon so take it FWIW (though moneypuck backs me up, at least to some extent). :)
 
Why does he deserve a star over the forwards? Nylander was so dominant his xGA was 0.05 because the puck lived on his stick. That's the best defence you can ask for. Matthews and Marner line dominated all game. Tavares had a killer 3rd period. Campbell falls short behind those 4 for the stars of game last night. They saved our bacon. Dazed and confused in the first period putting us in a quick hole.

Toss up between Campbell and Rielly for 5th star I think.

Kucherov and Point combine for only 2 goals in 5 games. Point only has 2 points. If Matthews and Marner did that you can bet the opponent goalie has insane number like 1-2 g.aa and 94% save pct. Campbells number are very bad this series considering how easy the skaters in front of him made the games for him. These shots are all clean too, no tips or screens like regular season where we made it harder for him. He needs to be better before we start giving him more credit than the core skaters.

  1. His save on Point on the 5-on-3, keeps them in the game.
  2. His save on Paul's breakaway, saves them from a backbreaker.
  3. His save on Kucherov late in the 3rd, saves the game.
They don't win without his big time performance and saves.

Simple as.
 
This guy is like Freddy, passable but can't give us that extra save we need in crunch time when it's time to move forward. Leafs need a guy who can shut the door when it truly counts. It was literally a repeat of game 6 last year
 
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  1. His save on Point on the 5-on-3, keeps them in the game.
  2. His save on Paul's breakaway, saves them from a backbreaker.
  3. His save on Kucherov late in the 3rd, saves the game.
They don't win without his big time performance and saves.

Simple as.
Yes I gave him tied for 5th best with Rielly so obviously he has a pro-list from that game that contributes to being that high.


OT goal is vintage 2022 Campbell. Don't know why everyone praising a goalie guaranteed to give up at least 3 even if Leafs play good and keep Tampas core contained. Swap him with any other no.1 in East and Tampa is golfing long time ago.
 
I don’t think it was Campbells fault but don't think he can raise his game to the elite goaltending which you need for a long run in the playoffs. He can’t steal you a game. Vasilevski stole this game. We were all over Tampa and deserved better fate. Game 7. Lets go.
 
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I don’t think it was Campbells fault but don't think he can raise his game to the elite goaltending which you need for a long run in the playoffs. He can’t steal you a game. Vasilevski stole this game. We were all over Tampa and deserved better fate. Game 7. Lets go.
Check replay again see if reconsider it's not his fault. Pay attention to his right leg. That's the right leg of a goalie who just let his team down.
 
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