Tribute Jack Campbell Discussion Part 2

[Tak7]

Yes I gave him tied for 5th best with Rielly so obviously he has a pro-list from that game that contributes to being that high.


OT goal is vintage 2022 Campbell. Don't know why everyone praising a goalie guaranteed to give up at least 3 even if Leafs play good and keep Tampas core contained. Swap him with any other no.1 in East and Tampa is golfing long time ago.

Game 5 didn't go into overtime.

 

[Dave92]

Campbell was bad on both the tying and winning goals. The tying goal was a a very tough spot and a blast from Kuch that would probably score on most goalies, but Campbell wouldn't have saved anything that got through.

He was standing straight up with his legs shoulder width apart shuffling his feet for a good 5 seconds before the goal.

And this, everything about this goal is just "choker" right down to the body language. Last two game 6's go to overtime and the other team's goalie keeps them alive until Campbell inevitably gives up the first chance against.



He's been bad overall in the series but still probably the better of the two goalies because he's had some good games Vasy has been awful.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Campbell was bad on both the tying and winning goals. The tying goal was a a very tough spot and a blast from Kuch that would probably score on most goalies, but Campbell wouldn't have saved anything that got through.

He was standing straight up with his legs shoulder width apart shuffling his feet for a good 5 seconds before the goal.

And this, everything about this goal is just "choker" right down to the body language. Last two game 6's go to overtime and the other team's goalie keeps them alive until Campbell inevitably gives up the first chance against.



He's been bad overall in the series but still probably the better of the two goalies because he's had some good games Vasy has been awful.

Surprised you're the only one who brought up the tying goal. Might as well have had the net empty.

When an average goalie outplays Vasi and your core players are all point per game and their core players are barely scoring, the series should be over, so that tells you all you need to know about just how badly that average goalie is playing. I'm not falling for those big saves in a few of those games. Nothing can repay the series still ongoing we should be waiting for round 2 opponent right now.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Surprised you're the only one who brought up the tying goal. Might as well have had the net empty.

When an average goalie outplays Vasi and your core players are all point per game and their core players are barely scoring, the series should be over, so that tells you all you need to know about just how badly that average goalie is playing. I'm not falling for those big saves in a few of those games. Nothing can repay the series still ongoing we should be waiting for round 2 opponent right now.

Soup is a career backup who has faced many injuries and played behind Quick .. he is playing way beyond his level past 2 years .. and comparing him to Vasi is silly .. he is now a bottom 10 nhl starter so he has improved considerably .. and he can get HOT and win a game .. lets hope he does in game 7 .. if he wins game 7 then he gets a contract here .. if not then he will not be in da future plans .. it is that simple

 

[HellasLEAF]

I'm not defending or supporting Campbell but when people point out a goal they feel was bad in a game none of the big saves get mentioned to keep it close it's all forgotten.

3rd period and OT no goals for Toronto and the money is being spent on offence not in the net or heck not even on D.

Leafs have to score goals to win - Campbell is showing he is not good enough to shut the door completely on an opponent especially as dangerous as Tampa.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Soup is a career backup who has faced many injuries and played behind Quick .. he is playing way beyond his level past 2 years .. and comparing him to Vasi is silly .. he is now a bottom 10 nhl starter so he has improved considerably .. and he can get HOT and win a game .. lets hope he does in game 7 .. if he wins game 7 then he gets a contract here .. if not then he will not be in da future plans .. it is that simple

No regardless what happens he needs to be replaced. Even if we win a cup I'd replace him to increase odds even more for the repeat.

Corelli, tying and OT goal are good example of Campbell contrast to an actual no.1. Most goalies if they are unsure where the puck is going to end up, they will default to good form and play the odds. Statistically speaking if you do this the puck will hit you and stay out the net. Campbell is low iq goalie that doesn't do this.

If he's not a true no.1 he has no business being starter for a team this good. They deserve a no.1 and they deserve to already be in round 2 bad reffing or not.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

I'm not defending or supporting Campbell but when people point out a goal they feel was bad in a game none of the big saves get mentioned to keep it close it's all forgotten.

3rd period and OT no goals for Toronto and the money is being spent on offence not in the net or heck not even on D.

Leafs have to score goals to win - Campbell is showing he is not good enough to shut the door completely on an opponent especially as dangerous as Tampa.

The big saves commonly happen when the team in front is playing amazing. Leafs enter comeback mode, everyone is skating, defence clearing all the lanes, Campbell sees everything and saves everything. Big whoop you described every number 1 out there.


The minute there is even any kind of conflict for us the scoreboard lights up and his numbers prove it because Leafs have been the better team his numbers make no sense.

 

[HellasLEAF]

I'll say it again. Campbell to me is good but not great. So the offence must be there to beat a team like Tampa. It has and it hasn't.

I disagree with 2 things:

1) That they've been the better team. Where are you seeing that. Define better
2) That they deserve to be in the 2nd round. No they don't.

 

[jgs]

Look there are not many goalies in the league of Vas caliber. Campbell is a decent goaltender and with the correct support in front him can get the job done. Toronto fanbass is the most hardest one to deal with in the league. You have had great goaltenders in the past and haven't won the Cup. You had Cujo, Potvin, . It is understandable you all want the cup really bad and haven't won it in over what 35 years. That pressure is very hard to deal with. But last night the Leafs played good enough to win and should have won but the refs caused you all the game. I would really like to see the Leafs advance they deserve it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Overall I'm happy with the way Campbell has been playing. He's been good and he's been bad but more good than bad and he hasn't even been outplayed by Vasi so I don't see how anyone can complain. Anyone thinking that Jack needs to steal games for us should go to cap friendly and take some more time to think things over.

Jack needs to be good enough to give us a chance to win but it's our high priced offence that needs to get it done. These are two very good teams battling here, did anyone really think that it was going to be easy?

Campbell was the biggest question mark going into the playoffs for us and so far he's been pretty good. Let's hope he has a great game tomorrow.

GLG!!

 

[CapspaceKiller]

He's a pretty good goalie. That's all this team can really attain and afford given the makeup of the rest of the team.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Jack has played well enough for the Leafs to win every game but one.

They lost 3.

Campbell isn't the weakest link.

 

[fahad203]

Dude doesn't have it. Time to move on from him
He reminds me of Reimer, will make 50 saves after he has given up the important goals

That goal on Cirelli in game 6 was a back breaker. An easy routine save

He has 5 opportunities to close out a series. Count them 5

Can you name me another curretn starter who has these many opportunities and failed?

I'll wait......


Get this cotton candy out of here......

 

[Buds17]

Good enough during the victories and not as effective during the losses...except for this final one IMO. Replace him if they can, sure. The next attempt at a solution isn't currently in the organization though.

 

[pcruz]

Campbell was not the reason this team lost.
He wasn't the reason they won 3 games either.
I think he will be too expensive for Toronto this offseason though.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Campbell was not the reason this team lost.
He wasn't the reason they won 3 games either.
I think he will be too expensive for Toronto this offseason though.

That's good. Imagine paying a Jack Campbell 4M+. He will definitely want more than Mrazek.

 

[Tak7]

In two straight seasons, when they needed a Campbell save in Game 6 OT, he failed to deliver one.
In two straight seasons, when they needed a Campbell save in game 7, he failed to deliver one.
Combine that with his poor regular season.

He's a great guy, and a lovable character, but he's not a starter. He shouldn't be brought back

 

[makbeer]

Probably the best backup in the league. Which is not trash. It makes him one of the top 40 goaltenders in the world.

but you’re not making a legitimate run at a cup if he’s your starter.

He is too technically flawed which leads to holes which leads to goals.

Below .900 since December and continued into the playoffs.

People overrate him because he’s a nice guy.

Bargain on his current deal, wouldn’t touch him over 3 mill.

(Similarly Mrazek was a brutal signing, he and Campbell are basically the same goalie - Mrazek is just a slightly worse version of Campbell).

 

[NJG]

Dude doesn't have it. Time to move on from him
He reminds me of Reimer, will make 50 saves after he has given up the important goals

That goal on Cirelli in game 6 was a back breaker. An easy routine save

He has 5 opportunities to close out a series. Count them 5

Can you name me another curretn starter who has these many opportunities and failed?

I'll wait......


Get this cotton candy out of here......

That game 6 goal was not an "easy routine save" in case you didn't notice a Tampa player was right behind Cirelli wide open in the middle of the slot... so when he stopped he obviously thought Cirelli was going to pass it to that guy... and he was also screened and didn't see the puck until it came through the leafs defenseman's legs which is a pretty hard save given the fact they we're basically standing right in front of him with little time to react.

Campbell isn't the reason we lost this, try another excuse.

 

[colchar]

If Campbell is brought back it can only be as the backup. Changes have to be made, and money has to be spent on a legit starting goalie.

 

[Stephen]

I'm not sure what to do with Campbell. He's a great guy and a great story but I'm not sure the theory than all we need is average goaltending and we can win is a legitimate view. Certainly not the reason we lost this series. But ideally we get a guy who can help us win a series in 5 or 6 in a more favorable matchup.

Leafs need to be more resilient and have a high end Plan B game and I think putting in real money for a real stud number one gives us the security of either the Big 4 producing or having an elite goalie to bail out the team. If we can scrape together the cap I wouldn't mind taking a run at Ville Husso.

 

[BackPassChampions]

If there’s an opportunity to get a better starting goalie, make it happen.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I'm not sure what to do with Campbell. He's a great guy and a great story but I'm not sure the theory than all we need is average goaltending and we can win is a legitimate view. Certainly not the reason we lost this series. But ideally we get a guy who can help us win a series in 5 or 6 in a more favorable matchup.

Leafs need to be more resilient and have a high end Plan B game and I think putting in real money for a real stud number one gives us the security of either the Big 4 producing or having an elite goalie to bail out the team. If we can scrape together the cap I wouldn't mind taking a run at Ville Husso.

How exactly is Husso the guy to do that?

He could just as easily turn out to be Driedger 2.0. He doesn't have the track record as some elite goalie who can bail out a team any more than Campbell does.

The only thing is he is younger.

 

[Stephen]

How exactly is Husso the guy to do that?

He could just as easily turn out to be Driedger 2.0. He doesn't have the track record as some elite goalie who can bail out a team any more than Campbell does.

The only thing is he is younger.

From what I understand Husso has been hyped up as one of the great athletic/technical goalie prospects whose been buried in the Blues system. It's a roll of the dice and he's a UFA but I'd defer to the real decision makers out there. Or there's also Binnington. He's up and down and controversial too but is a playoff winner.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

From what I understand Husso has been hyped up as one of the great athletic/technical goalie prospects whose been buried in the Blues system. It's a roll of the dice and he's a UFA but I'd defer to the real decision makers out there. Or there's also Binnington. He's up and down and controversial too but is a playoff winner.

He has been all over the place as a goalie, but I guess that can be the case for most goalies. For all we know, a healthy Woll could be our star by this time next year.

Although there was a time when STL literally threw up a hail mary in net and they went with Binnington over him; a guy who was on waivers and loaned to another team's system the year before.

Maybe he does end up being great, but he has never really been an "elite" goalie prospect as much as a guy who is on a similar type footing to Woll and I wouldn't say he is the kind of guy I am going into next year with the clear cut expectation of being a legit #1 on a playoff team.

I think the expectation is that he can effectively replace what Campbell has brought to this team the past couple of years.