The last time a cup,champion had a starting goalie for most of there playoffs that did not start there career with that nhl club is 2007, giguere with Anaheim. Are the leafs going to back this trend, no, no they are not.
Tribute Jack Campbell Discussion Part 2
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While I have admittedly been one of the people most consistently speaking out here about our goaltending issues the last 3 months, and I stand by all those comments, I have personally never claimed that I don’t think Campbell is capable of re-finding the form he’d shown as a Leaf up to that point. The problem is, in my opinion, the Leafs absolutely cannot gamble their season on the assumption he does, and they definitely can’t spend assets to bolster this team with such a question mark in their goal. If we spent big assets for significant piece, say a top 4 D or a top 6 F just to have our goaltending fall flat on its face in round 1, that’s a fireable offense imo.
And to the person going around the threads chucking about the fact Leaf fans have both praised Jack as having a Vezina worth season, and now are on his case and talking about maybe the goaltending needing to be addressed, don’t kid yourself, Campbell has completely earned both ends of that discussion with his Jekyll and Hyde play. This has very much been a tale of two seasons for Jack.
And to the person going around the threads chucking about the fact Leaf fans have both praised Jack as having a Vezina worth season, and now are on his case and talking about maybe the goaltending needing to be addressed, don’t kid yourself, Campbell has completely earned both ends of that discussion with his Jekyll and Hyde play. This has very much been a tale of two seasons for Jack.
Too bad, but we still want to win a cup...somebody has to fix and control him or get a new goalie, now
Stephen
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BallardEra
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I don’t take exception to people posting their views/opinions and etc as this is the place to do so. Throw in the fact that we haven’t seen a Cup since 1967 and you get the picture as to why most are fired up.
I think most people in here don’t view Campbell/Mrazek as goalies that will lead you to a Cup.
Stephen
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I think Leafs fans are just reacting to the roller coaster season Campbell is putting together and the high highs and low lows that come with it...
HockeyVirus
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Add on that while there are flaws, this team has the pieces to win. This is the closest Leafs team to a real cup threat in 30 years. People are like this because we don't want the lose in round 1 with an elite roster because our goaltending reverted to almost not NHL level
PROUD PAPA
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Unless he gets his shit together there's no discussion to be had other than "thanks Jack, good luck with your next team".
thusk
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Like binnington, murray, niemi... oups all of those player already won it.
To win a cup, you need your goalie being hot at the right time.
Gary Nylund
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Exactly this. Dubas is in a tough spot. On one hand the team is so close to 1st in the East and on the other hand, gambling on our goaltending fixing itself in time for the playoffs seems like not a smart bet either. It's either trade for a goalie or just let it ride IMO.
Yup. Player evaluations are in a constant state of flux, it would be pretty dumb to praise someone for their excellent play and then when their play drops off a cliff, pretend like they're still playing well. Same thing with the GM, some posters can't bring themselves to give him credit for anything ever, and some others can't ever admit that anything Dubas has done has been less than perfect.
Reminds me of james reimmer. Nice likeable guy, good for regular season, but cant put it together
Hes 30 and never been a starter
Hes 30 and never been a starter
I’m a fan of Campbell the person, and up until recently I’ve been a big fan of his game too. Up until about early/mid January, he was really, really good for us. But in the past 1.5 months, he’s been legit terrible.
Last night against Detroit was maybe his worst game as a Leaf. 3 of those 5 goals were completely, utterly his fault, 2 super easy saves that he let slip through, and a bad giveaway by him behind the net. The other 2 would have been tough saves, but stoppable, and I don’t think he made a single particularly good save all night. An average NHL goalie lets in 0-2 goals, Campbell let in 5 :/
There’s no way we make it through Florida or Tampa if Jack is playing like this, and I don’t have much faith in Mrazek either. Maybe Jack finds his game, and we’re fine, but it’s a huge gamble at this point. I do think we need to get a new goalie - Mrazek plus a quality young piece for Fleury would be a key move, if Dubas can make it happen.
Last night against Detroit was maybe his worst game as a Leaf. 3 of those 5 goals were completely, utterly his fault, 2 super easy saves that he let slip through, and a bad giveaway by him behind the net. The other 2 would have been tough saves, but stoppable, and I don’t think he made a single particularly good save all night. An average NHL goalie lets in 0-2 goals, Campbell let in 5 :/
There’s no way we make it through Florida or Tampa if Jack is playing like this, and I don’t have much faith in Mrazek either. Maybe Jack finds his game, and we’re fine, but it’s a huge gamble at this point. I do think we need to get a new goalie - Mrazek plus a quality young piece for Fleury would be a key move, if Dubas can make it happen.
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I think it would require a major trade to fix our issues. Outgoing would be Mrazek and Nylander. Incoming a veteran goalie with a bit of term, a veteran D who plays physical and possibly a versatile gritty forward. Then re-sign Campbell at backup money, once he sees he's not the #1. In the offseason, if he disappears in the playoffs, strip the captaincy from Tavares and reduce his role to encourage him to accept a trade.
Bomber0104
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For a sensitive guy like Campbell who has a history of confidence issues, I'm sure calling him out in the post-game night after night will bode well for him.
Every goalie at some point gets called out. Keefe shoulnt be baby seating jacks feelings. He sucked he sucked.
If hes mentally that week then this is not a position or city for him
Well knowing what we know. Seeing how he has played, if Dubas doesnt get a goalie and we lose because of goaltending, that will be a career killer for him
He still has time and assets to do something. Being loyal to fault wont help him
Frankly speaking i cant see Dubas getting another goalie. Jack and Mrazek has put Dubas in a very bad bad spot
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Frankly Dubas should not be allowed to get another goalie. He made his bed with this tandem, let him lie in it. Seriously how many mistakes is he allowed to correct ?
kb
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This might be the most bizarre take I have seen.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Not sure what you did for a living but in my world you can't keep going to management and telling them you made a mistake and need to correct it and it will cost $$$, before management has had enough.
McBackup -> Sparks -> Hutch -> Soup and now may need to dump or let walk
Anderson and Rittich to Mrzaek and may need to dump Mrazek if Dubas decides to bring in another goalie
Hyman and Foligno to Ritchie and Bunting in; Ritchie dumped after 1/4 of the season
Kadri to Kerfoot and Barrie. Barrie out, Brodie in.
Z -> Ceci. Ceci out, Bogo in.
Cliff in, Cliffy out, Simmonds in
Kappy, AJ out, Jumbo, Vesey, Boyd in - Jumbo, Vesey, Boyd out -> Kampf, Bunting, Kase in
I'm betting your job is a little different than professional GM, same with the rest of us.
makbeer
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Briere coached in juniors and ran his own school but never in the NHL Before from what I see. Which fits the theme of the Leafs...rookie GM, rookie head coach, rookie goalie coach...It is really hard to point fingers at the goalie coach because the role is so subtle, but after 7 yrs it may be time to move on to someone with a track record of performance at the highest level.
Maplebeasts
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If you're going to be as bad as Campbell has been for 3 months, you deserve to be held accountable. Doesn't matter that he's such a nice guy, you need your goalie to stop the puck.
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