Proposal: J.T. Miller to TOR

[Nylanderthal]

Thats exactly what I feel as well. The people throwing a hissy fit over Kerfoot being in the deal dont get he’s just $$$

That’s the exact offer I put out in the very first of these threads back before benning was canned

 

[Diamonddog01]

We don't want Kerfoot or Dermott. Let me repeat this and bold it yet again:

We don't want Kerfoot or Dermott.

 

[habsfan44]

Tatar was then included in the package for Pacioretty.

The total package for Pacioretty was Second-round draft pick, Tomas Tatar, and Nick Suzuki.

So Pacioretty basically returned a 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounder (the price paid for Tatar), 1 more 2nd, and an elite prospect is Nick Suzuki.

I would argue that Miller is more valuable now than when Pacioretty was traded.

Now some Leafs' fans are claiming the original proposal, with a far worse package, is somehow fleecing the Leafs.

Are people just being willfully ignorant on the costs of acquiring a good player?

Pacioretty was traded for top prospect Suzuki , a second round pick and a useful cap dump in Tatar(that the VGK's retained a percentage of) , to say otherwise is pure embellishment on your part . Then you have the nerve to suggest that others are being willfully ignorant on the cost of acquiring good players , I think it's clear where the ignorance lies .

 

[Apotheosis]

I wasn't being specific to you, should have made that more clear.

For what it's worth, I would give up at least one of 2 1sts plus on of our top prospects and or 1 first plus two of our top prospects for Chychrun. He would set the Leafs back end up for a while and would give us two first pairs.

 

[CatchyTune]

We don't want Kerfoot or Dermott. Let me repeat this and bold it yet again:

We don't want Kerfoot or Dermott.

Do you really not understand why theyre there

 

[Diamonddog01]

Do you really not understand why theyre there

Sigh. Let's try this a third time:

We do not want Kerfoot or Dermott.

 

[shortfuze]

Do you really not understand why theyre there

Why are they there?

 

[CatchyTune]

Sigh. Let's try this a third time:

We do not want Kerfoot or Dermott.

Why are they there?

Pretty simple $$$

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Do you really not understand why theyre there

Do you and your fellow fans understand that we don't have to take either? Or that we don't actually care if you need to include them in a proposal? Or that neither hold much value to our team?

Or (and this is the most important one), we don't actually have to make a trade with the Leafs, so if all they offer up is a low 1st and pieces we don't need, we move on. Period.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Do you really not understand why theyre there

To the Leafs they are there for salary
To the Nucks, they are there as cap dumps

Leafs have to pay MORE to dump those guys in this situation, or dump them elsewhere. A 3-way makes more sense as they aren't necessarily "real" cap dumps like Ritchie was.

 

[shortfuze]

Pretty simple $$$

Why is that vancouvers problem?

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

None of which move the needle, Kerfoot and Dermott we don't want or need, Knies is a great asset, but redundant there for not a need, the 4th is a nothing pick.

Like none of that stuff makes any sense for us, and it certainly doesn't make the deal that much sweeter, especially considering it would be easily beat.

The Rangers trade is way better and gives us more of what we actually need.

A bust prospect in Kravstov.. a C+ defense prospect and a 1st. Ok.

 

[Edgelord]

Sigh. Let's try this a third time:

We do not want Kerfoot or Dermott.

not sure if you realize this but Kerfoot would be 2nd in scoring on your team if Miller is traded.

 

[Edgelord]

Why is that vancouvers problem?

Are you guys really acting like a 3.5m player who would be 2nd in scoring on your team and be 1 of your best PK players is a dump?

 

[CatchyTune]

Do you and your fellow fans understand that we don't have to take either? Or that we don't actually care if you need to include them in a proposal? Or that neither hold much value to our team?

Or (and this is the most important one), we don't actually have to make a trade with the Leafs, so if all they offer up is a low 1st and pieces we don't need, we move on. Period.

Any team you trade Miller too will need to send money back

To the Leafs they are there for salary
To the Nucks, they are there as cap dumps

Leafs have to pay MORE to dump those guys in this situation, or dump them elsewhere. A 3-way makes more sense as they aren't necessarily "real" cap dumps like Ritchie was.

Neither are even close to Ritchie level dumps

Why is that vancouvers problem?

To allow a deal to go through

 

[strattonius]

Are you guys really acting like a 3.5m player who would be 2nd in scoring on your team and be 1 of your best PK players is a dump?

He doesn't fit the Canucks timeline. 27 yr old soon to be journeyman bouncing his way around organizations. I think he's a decent complimentary piece on a contender but trading for him makes no sense. And saying he would be Vancouvers 2nd leading scorer is just dumb - had he started the season in Vancouver he's not outscoring Miller, Boeser, Hughes, Pettersson and probably Garland.

Seriously no one cares about Alexander Kerfoot.

 

[Space umpire]

I'm not exactly sure what the Canucks are looking for. Are they trying to rebuild? If so, you can trade both Dermott and Kerfoot for even more picks. Knies is a pretty good prospect.

Then why don’t the Leafs move Kerfoot and Dermott for picks 1st.

 

[shortfuze]

Are you guys really acting like a 3.5m player who would be 2nd in scoring on your team and be 1 of your best PK players is a dump?

Where did I say any of that?

 

[shortfuze]

Any team you trade Miller too will need to send money back



Neither are even close to Ritchie level dumps



To allow a deal to go through

Well as long as Toronto gets what they want

 

[wetcoast]

Regardless of whether they end up trading Miller or not they're under no pressure to move him before the 2022 trade deadline unless they get an incredible offer. They could get a 1st+prospect+asset return for Miller at the 2023 deadline, why should they move him for that now?

Teams generally speaking would be willing to pay more for 2 playoffs of JT Miller rather than a single one, it's highly unlikely that any team would other more for getting less in reality.

 

[Space umpire]

1st + Knies is not nothing.

JT Miller is a phenomenal player but it just doesn't make sense for us. He's strictly a rental and the price would be way too high for us. Top prospect + 1st rounder for half a season + 1 playoff run of Miller is not worth it for us. If we were able to re-sign him or at least attempt to re-sign him, I'd be willing to add to bring him over but this is strictly 1 playoff run. He'll be getting 8M + on his next deal for sure.

If we're moving our 1st + a top prospect, I would prefer to go after a legitimate top 4 D-man or a physical winger who can chip in on offence. Scoring is not a need for us, we need a physical player with good size who knows how to throw his weight around. Which is what Knies projects to be in a couple of years. 6'3, 210 lbs LW who also has great hands. His ceiling is like a physical JVR, his floor is like Colby Armstrong.

Obviously adding JT Miller immediately makes us a better team, but there's other holes on the roster that should be priortized. Top 4D + Physical top 6 or at least middle 6 winger.

1st plus Knies is a good offer. Add a 3rd and it’s a deal. What none of you get is if the other team forced to take guys for your cap to work you need to add. Find another home for the dumps and make a hockey trade.

 

[CatchyTune]

He doesn't fit the Canucks timeline. 27 yr old soon to be journeyman bouncing his way around organizations. I think he's a decent complimentary piece on a contender but trading for him makes no sense. And saying he would be Vancouvers 2nd leading scorer is just dumb - had he started the season in Vancouver he's not outscoring Miller, Boeser, Hughes, Pettersson and probably Garland.

Seriously no one cares about Alexander Kerfoot.

Alex Kerfoot is outscoring Elias Pettersson this year

 

[Space umpire]

These guys are asking for 2 1sts on top of that

Because they are being forced to take Kerfoot and Dermott.

 

[Hodge]

Teams generally speaking would be willing to pay more for 2 playoffs of JT Miller rather than a single one, it's highly unlikely that any team would other more for getting less in reality.

Right. My point is that the Leafs offer here is typically what teams pay to rent a top forward like JTM for one playoff run. To get him for two they (or some other team) need to step up with a 1st + two of their top prospects or two 1sts + a top prospect or something along those lines.

 

[strattonius]

Alex Kerfoot is outscoring Elias Pettersson this year

Kerfoot is well insulated on a stacked team offensively. He would not have anywhere close to his numbers in Vancouver.

Way to miss the point.